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It certainly does say the Son is God! How many times must I quote it?
Hebrews 1
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
You accused me of "slander". You denied saying "Jesus is my savior but not the Savior." I quoted you saying "Jesus is my savior but not the Savior." You owe me an apology.
I certainly did!
You said: "Jesus is my savior but not the Savior."
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Did you even read Hosea? I'll ask you again, Does your Bible explicitly identify Jesus as the servant of God or not?
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Aunty Jane
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From the Jewish Tanakh….
The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."
אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְ
”the Lord” (“יְהֹוָ֨ה”) there is Jehovah, as we can see in the Hebrew text quite clearly..…big difference between “Jehovah” and David’s “master” (Lord is another way of saying “Sir”)….in those days a master who had slaves was addressed as “Lord”.
Those who think “Lord” is another word for “God” know little about scripture or Jewish culture.
BlessedPeace
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I believe starting a thread that in the OP calls out any members of a denomination and their faith doctrine is fully intended to cause conflict. To divide the community and lead those targeted to feel insecure in their faith and unwelcome in our community.
And yes, it is a horrible testimony that speaks to what atmosphere they'll enter into for anyone Googling communities in Christ.
However, I think it also serves as a lesson reiterating God's teachings.
Christians do not behave as if they need Christ.
Ephesians chapter 5:11. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Im not attacking anyone. I'm exposing the fruits of darkness. Jesus want's bold stewards and the truth to expel darkness.
These Denominations have Dead Works.
Colossians chapter 1:21 . And you, that sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by the wicked works, yet now hath He reconciled.
False brethren are accountable to Jesus. Jesus will not tolerate false teachings. The shepherds are on top of Jesus hit list.
The hirelings are the wicked. Jesus is not thier buddy's.
It really shows dosage of deficiency in thier minds.
Hebrews chapter 1:1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from Dead Works, and of faith toward God.
False teachings are dead works. Fake shepherds are enemies of the cross.
I told the truth. And I'm not judging anyone or making personal attacks.
Im not attacking anyone. I'm exposing the fruits of darkness. Jesus want's bold stewards and the truth to expel darkness.
These Denominations have Dead Works.
Colossians chapter 1:21 . And you, that sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by the wicked works, yet now hath He reconciled.
False brethren are accountable to Jesus. Jesus will not tolerate false teachings. The shepherds are on top of Jesus hit list.
The hirelings are the wicked. Jesus is not thier buddy's.
It really shows dosage of deficiency in thier minds.
Hebrews chapter 1:1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from Dead Works, and of faith toward God.
False teachings are dead works. Fake shepherds are enemies of the cross.
I told the truth. And I'm not judging anyone or making personal attacks.
False doctrines are to be reproved & exposed and the individuals that promote such are to be marked as not among the brethren, and avoided. If ppl give these the attention they crave, they increase in their promotions.
Romans 16:17-18
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK them which cause divisions and offences CONTRARY to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Debating, discussing, exposing and reproving such is not a personal attack. Saying someone is ignorant, foolish, heretical, a liar or such directed at that person is.
Denominations and their doctrines are too many to count in a discourse for debate. What should be reasoned is the foundation of salvation and the truths used to build our walk upon.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
1Timothy 1:
.......that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, [4] Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Once these are acknowledged, the only way to remove their theology is to stop feeing into their posts.
Romans 16:17-18
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK them which cause divisions and offences CONTRARY to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Debating, discussing, exposing and reproving such is not a personal attack. Saying someone is ignorant, foolish, heretical, a liar or such directed at that person is.
Denominations and their doctrines are too many to count in a discourse for debate. What should be reasoned is the foundation of salvation and the truths used to build our walk upon.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
1Timothy 1:
.......that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, [4] Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Once these are acknowledged, the only way to remove their theology is to stop feeing into their posts.
Aunty Jane
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Now this is an interesting point…..because if the apostasy that Jesus foretold was beginning in the first century, then what emerged from the second century when there were no apostles left alive to restrain that apostate movement….where do you imagine that the “Christianity” you have been led to accept as genuine, came from? From that apostasy came the Roman Catholic church…..the mother of the harlots whom Jesus will bring to an account.
Who were the ones who were to be “marked” and “avoided” if it happened back then? What if those who should have ”marked and avoided” the ones who took Christianity off course, didn’t….?
Can you see how the devil could have done to “Christianity” exactly what he did to Judaism?
Jesus said that it would happen, and Paul said it was “already at work” when he was alive.…so what does that mean for today’s hopelessly divided church? Doesn’t it explain why they are hopelessly divided?
Jesus preached his message to all who would listen. The religious leaders did not have a good word to say about him, even accusing him of getting his power from the devil, because they could not deny that his works were powerful. He exposed the Pharisees for the hypocrites that they were, but never did he turn away a genuine truth seeker.
And that is quite correct, provided that the scriptures are not interpreted incorrectly. There are also translation issues and biases that creep in when it suits someone to bring in a belief that is not supported by the rest of scripture. If we find scripture contradicting other scripture, then there is a problem if it was all inspired by the same spirit.
The only thing that removes error is truth. Theology is the study of religious doctrine, not necessarily scripture. You will find those with expertise in theology are too often totally ignorant of the Bible in other important areas, outside of the doctrines that are taught. Only thorough Bible study can dispel the errors that Christendom has been promoting for centuries.
Coupled with a thorough study of God’s word is the fact that it is God who “draws” people to his truth, whilst allowing those he has no connection with, to keep their own delusions. (John 6:44, 65; Thess 2:9-12)
Because they are not teachable or humble, he will not “draw” them.
When Jesus comes as judge, it‘s the “many“ who will receive his rejection as those he “never knew”. (Matt 7:21-23) He said that “few” would be found on ‘the cramped and narrow road to life’. (Matt 7:13-14) He also said that his true disciples would be hated and persecuted, (John 15:18-21) just as they were in the first century.
Do we all know why they were hated and persecuted? Because what they taught, was not in line with what the Pharisees taught. Jesus came to teach those who wanted the truth in spite of what anyone thought of them.
History is repeating and the majority of those who identify as “Christians” don’t seem to notice.
A prerequisite to understanding Scripture is basic reading comprehension and word meanings. Feel free to consult your favorite lexicon and learn the difference between prepositions (o', OF, FROM) with verbs (is, am, etc). But there certainly is Scripture on point, which you violate with every post, presuming there is an eisegesis code or riddle to read into the text.
2 Cor 1:13 (VOICE) We are not writing to you in anything resembling codes or riddles
Oh, OK. I only saw the previous post. In the future Jack, I'd appreciate you not misquoting me. In the post in question I acknowledged Jesus is my savior. It is in this context that I wrote that he is just not the savior, who is our God, the Father.I certainly did!
You said: "Jesus is my savior but not the Savior."
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Did you even read Hosea? I'll ask you again, Does your Bible explicitly identify Jesus as the servant of God or not?
Post 114
In post 114, I asked if your Bible says Jesus is a servant of God. No answer huh?
AJ, I no longer believe the problem is rooted in simple ignorance but deliberate dishonesty.
Of course, we can divide the world into 2 groups. Those like my family who never actually read the Bible, who truly are simply ignorant. But such people tend not to post on online forums arguing vehemently for something they know nothing about.
The second group know better. They've read the Bible. The best one can say is that they are willfully ignorant. Those in church positions know there is a difference between "lord" and "God" or "LORD." It's IDOLATRY, plain and simple.
Even Biblegateway promotes this deliberate deception. I've noticed when I copy a verse with the word "LORD" from Biblegateway, it pastes "Lord." This is no mistake. I even contacted them about it. No reply. Please try it and tell me what you find.
Ho Hum, another smokescreen to avoid the Scripture. Just like a dedicated JW!
Hebrews 1
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Yep, still there!
Misquoting you? You're covering your SLANDER accusation against me with another lie! I'll quote you again for everyone to witness:
"Jesus is my savior but not the Savior."
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Did you even read Hosea? I'll ask you again, Does your Bible explicitly identify Jesus as the servant of God or not?
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Post 114!
A Christian would apologize!
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Fruitful? JW's? They twist nearly every verse in the Bible to change what God said! Just like Satan would do.
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