Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[Dave L]

Please actually answer the question about YOUR beliefs. Again:

This is very strongly giving the impression that you don't think God-breathed scripture is different from any other written text-- say "Oliver Twist" or a biology text book or tax code book. Is that truly how you feel about scripture?

I've said several times creeds and books are man made. But if the trinity doctrine is true, it is scriptural, having support from scripture.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I've said several times creeds and books are man made. But if the trinity doctrine is true, it is scriptural, having support from scripture.

So you don't hold that scripture itself is God-breathed, or that it's God's Words. Rather you believe that it is not different than any other man made book.

... I'm not sure what to say to that position...it's been a long time since I talked to a Christian that flat out denied the inspired nature of scripture.

 

[Dave L]

So you don't hold that scripture itself is God-breathed, or that it's God's Words. Rather you believe that it is not different than any other man made book.

... I'm not sure what to say to that position...

Scripture is God's word. Creeds are not. But they summarize what God's word says about certain things. This is doctrine.

 

[CoreIssue]

You are putty in the hands of the Pope unless you study the origins of Dispensationalism and reject it.

More evasions.

https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1036&context=pretrib_arch

 

[Dave L]

More evasions.

https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1036&context=pretrib_arch

Of course Liberty is the pope's biggest success story in this matter. Try "Jesuits Dispensationalism" from any source reading both sides of the issue.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Scripture is God's word. Creeds are not. But they summarize what God's word says about certain things. This is doctrine.

Ok, so now you're finally starting to answer my questions.

Jane asked: Scripture is God-breathed and inspired by God Himself. Do you hold the same to be true of the Chalcedoian Creed? Athanasian? You did state that the Westminster is not. Why?
Dave answered: No. Scripture is God's word. Creeds are not.

Jane asked: And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"? How does this compare to your rejection the Westminster Creed?
Dave answered: __________________

 

[Zachary]

When receiving the holy spirit initially in the new testament
some spoken in tongues but most didn't.

Here's the deal ...
When reporting an event, not everything that happened gets reported.
Also if it was all reported in the NT, there'd be a ton of repetition!
See the missing details below ...

1 Luke 24:49 ------- 8 Acts 8:14-19
2 Acts 1:4-8 ------- 9 Acts 9:17-18
3 Acts 2:1-4 ------ 10 Romans 15:19
4 Acts 2:33-39 ---- 11 Acts 10:44-48
5 Acts 4:8-16 ----- 12 Acts 11:15-17
6 Acts 4:31 ------- 13 Acts 14:3
7 Acts 5:12-16 ---- 14 Acts 19:5-6

------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
the Promise --------Y-Y---Y-------------------------
baptism with H.S. ----Y-------------Y--------Y-----Y
the gift -----------------Y---------------Y--Y------
upon ---------------Y Y Y---------Y-------Y--Y-----Y
laying on of hands ---------------Y-Y-----------Y--Y
filled with H.S. -------Y---Y-Y-----Y---------------
received H.S. --------------------Y-------Y---------
speaking tongues -------Y-----------------Y--------Y
power --------------Y-Y-----------Y----Y------------
boldness -------------------Y-Y-----------------Y---
miracles -------------------Y---Y---Y--Y--------Y---

Here's a head's up ... whenever Jesus gave the baptism with the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Spirit always came UPON the person -- not inside --
unless the person was born-again at the same time.

 

[CoreIssue]

Of course Liberty is the pope's biggest success story in this matter. Try "Jesuits Dispensationalism" from any source reading both sides of the issue.

An invention by anti dispensationalists post reformation.

 

[bbyrd009]

Creeds are the result of research and refinement. Not theories until you get to the 1800s.

but wadr as usual you are not addressing my post at all, see

creeds might easily be the result of something else too, at least arguably, but i am not interested in yet another subject change wadr

 

[Dave L]

Ok, so now you're finally starting to answer my questions.

Jane asked: Scripture is God-breathed and inspired by God Himself. Do you hold the same to be true of the Chalcedoian Creed? Athanasian? You did state that the Westminster is not. Why?
Dave answered: No. Scripture is God's word. Creeds are not.

Jane asked: And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"? How does this compare to your rejection the Westminster Creed?
Dave answered: __________________

As I said, the only creeds that have stood the test of time completely are the Ecumenical Creeds. All of the other creeds incorporate these. But over time some of the denominationally biased creeds needed correction. I agree with all of the Reformed Creeds except for infant baptism. Church/State consolidation. And in the Westminster, their permitting divorce and remarriage. But I treasure these and other creeds where I think they hold true.

 

[CoreIssue]

Here's the deal ...
When reporting an event, not everything that happened gets reported.
Also if it was all reported in the NT, there'd be a ton of repetition!

You're making an assumption to try and defend your thinking. No proof offered.

 

[Dave L]

but wadr as usual you are not addressing my post at all, see

creeds might easily be the result of something else too, at least arguably, but i am not interested in yet another subject change wadr

Is wadr an attempt to say radar like Elmer Fudd?

 

[Dave L]

You're making an assumption to try and defend your thinking. No proof offered.

I have plenty of proof. But I think you should hear it from someone else for an unbiased and neutral look. Jesuits and futurism. Or Jesuits and Dispensationalism will provide easy searches for all to see.

 

[Dave L]

An invention by anti dispensationalists post reformation.

God knows I'm telling the truth.

 

[bbyrd009]

Is wadr an attempt to say radar like Elmer Fudd?

what i mean there is that all you have done is reiterate an Absolute Truth in your mind that i am not compelled to adhere to, you didn't really respond to the post in any meaningful way, just like here

 

[Dave L]

what i mean there is that all you have done is reiterate an Absolute Truth in your mind that i am not compelled to adhere to, you didn't really respond to the post in any meaningful way, just like here

You need to know what the bible says first. Then evaluate the creeds.

 

[Taken]

How bright is the person who rejects learning from those more learned?

How bright is the person who rejects what God Himself has approved and instead gravitates to what the created has approved?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

How bright is the person who rejects what God Himself has approved and instead gravitates to what the created has approved?

Glory to God,
Taken

Why did God create us? See if you agree with any of the creeds.

 

[bbyrd009]

You need to know what the bible says first. Then evaluate the creeds.

that is why i reject them Dave, and why can't you reply to a post? i have about a 4 post interaction with you today, and you have changed the subject every time, and i still have not gotten a reply to #1 yet near as i can tell

 

[Dave L]

that is why i reject them Dave, and why can't you reply to a post? i have about a 4 post interaction with you today, and you have changed the subject every time, and i still have not gotten a reply to #1 yet near as i can tell

You cannot judge a creed before first reading it.