Presidential Election Live Coverage 2020

[Bobby Jo]

Do you understand ...

I'd suggest that although you often don't understand many Scriptural aspects, it seems more important to perceive that you simply choose not to OBEY.

Consider your criticism of Forum Member Posts (Post #5432), -- as though YOU were GOD and had the responsibility of REIGNING IN the misplaced VOICES of Christians. When in FACT Abraham argued with GOD, and so we are designed to "come and reason together" with GOD and with MAN. -- So you FAILED to UNDERSTAND.

Now if you want to dig up the poor horse so that we can beat him again, and then have to bury him again, -- I'm MORE than willing to present how you REFUSE to OBEY LUKE 22:36, in context with LUKE 22:35.


And just as important, you've been warned multiple times of the consequence of your religious propensities; and in due time I expect you'll either amend your ways, or suffer the consequence of your ways. :)

Bobby Jo


Now let us return back to the TOPIC ...

 

[WaterSong]

It appears the Brit wants to be recognized as an American Democrat.

I am and American, Under a Republic Government and Stand for the Rule of VALID Law.
:)

If I lived in GB at this time I'd want to be an American too.
America is a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
Ever notice? People across the pond and elsewhere in the world are quick to voice their contempt for us, their hate, boast in their ridicule, etc... However, when their country is up against the wall, or unforeseen tragedy strikes their people, who are the first to respond? Or the first they call? America!
And we're there every single time. And our people donate too. We donate blood to the Red Cross, we donate monies and food to Operation Blessing (A 700 Club enterprise), we donate to many different charities that meet the need. And those needy never know our names. But they're thankful.

And then the tragedy is over. The threat vanquished. And what happens? Not all, not perhaps the same numbers as before, but sure enough some still return to the same acidic vitriol of before.

"As America goes so goes the world." Some have said. If they really believed that you'd think the foreigners who hold to that idea would have a little bit more respect and hold out greater hope that America doesn't succumb to her enemies. Because if we go down they go down.

 

[Enoch111]

Yep..Trump is tired of the many useless spineless Republicans.....vote this pond scum out of the Party.....they are sympathetic to the desires of Deep State..all of then traitors of this country.

Here is the list of 109 Republican lawmakers in the House who voted to override the president’s defense bill veto (which was fully justified). They are mostly from Ohio and Texas (including Dan Crenshaw):

Robert B. Aderholt – Alabama
Mo Brooks – Alabama
Bradley Byrne – Alabama
Martha Roby – Alabama
Mike Rogers – Alabama
Don Young – Alaska
Eric A. “Rick” Crawford – Arkansas
French Hill – Arkansas
Steve Womack – Arkansas
Mike Garcia – California
Ken Calvert – California
Scott R. Tipton – Colorado
Doug Lamborn – Colorado
Francis Rooney – Florida
John H. Rutherford – Florida
Ross Spano – Florida
Michael Waltz – Florida
Daniel Webster – Florida
Vern Buchanan – Florida
Earl L. “Buddy” Carter – Georgia
A. Drew Ferguson IV – Georgia
Austin Scott – Georgia
Rob Woodall – Georgia
Michael K. Simpson – Idaho
Mike Bost – Illinois
Rodney Davis – Illinois
Adam Kinzinger – Illinois
Darin LaHood – Illinois
John Shimkus – Illinois
James R. Baird – Indiana
Jim Banks – Indiana
Larry Bucshon – Indiana
Susan W. Brooks – Indiana
Jackie Walorski – Indiana
Harold Rogers – Kentucky
Brett Guthrie – Kentucky
Garret Graves – Louisiana
Mike Johnson – Louisiana
Bill Huizenga – Michigan
Jack Bergman – Michigan
John R. Moolenaar – Michigan
Fred Upton – Michigan
Tim Walberg – Michigan
Pete Stauber – Minnesota
Michael Guest – Mississippi
Trent Kelly – Mississippi
Steven M. Palazzo – Mississippi
Sam Graves – Missouri
Vicky Hartzler – Missouri
Blaine Luetkemeyer – Missouri
Ann Wagner – Missouri
Greg Gianforte – Montana
Don Bacon – Nebraska
Mark E. Amodei – Nevada
Christopher H. Smith – New Jersey
Peter T. King – New York
John Katko – New York
Elise M. Stefanik – New York
Virginia Foxx – North Carolina
George Holding – North Carolina
Richard Hudson – North Carolina
Patrick T. McHenry – North Carolina
Gregory F. Murphy – North Carolina
David Rouzer – North Carolina
Kelly Armstrong – North Dakota
Troy Balderson – Ohio
Steve Chabot – Ohio
Bob Gibbs – Ohio
Anthony Gonzalez – Ohio
Bill Johnson – Ohio
David P. Joyce – Ohio
Robert E. Latta – Ohio
Michael R. Turner – Ohio
Brad R. Wenstrup – Ohio
Steve Stivers – Ohio
Tom Cole – Oklahoma
Frank D. Lucas – Oklahoma
Greg Walden – Oregon
Brian K. Fitzpatrick – Pennsylvania
Daniel Meuser – Pennsylvania
Fred Keller – Pennsylvania
Mike Kelly – Pennsylvania
Glenn Thompson – Pennsylvania
William R. Timmons IV – South Carolina
Joe Wilson – South Carolina
Dusty Johnson – South Dakota
Charles J. “Chuck” Fleischmann – Tennessee
Mark E. Green – Tennessee
David Kustoff – Tennessee
Kevin Brady – Texas
Michael Conaway – Texas
Dan Crenshaw – Texas
Bill Flores – Texas
Kay Granger – Texas
Will Hurd – Texas
Pete Olson – Texas
Michael T. McCaul – Texas
Van Taylor – Texas
Mac Thornberry – Texas
Roger Williams – Texas
Chris Stewart – Utah
John R. Curtis – Utah
Robert J. Wittman – Virginia
Denver Riggleman – Virginia
Dan Newhouse – Washington
Jaime Herrera Beutler – Washington
Cathy McMorris Rodgers – Washington
Mike Gallagher – Wisconsin
Liz Cheney – Wyoming

Here’s a List of Every Republican Representative Who Voted to Override President Trump’s NDAA Veto

 

[amadeus]

I'd suggest that although you often don't understand many Scriptural aspects, it seems more important to perceive that you simply choose not to OBEY.

My faults certainly exist, but purposely choosing not to obey God... in places perhaps in a moment as I have quenched the Spirit, but not, I believe, where as you have suggested or insisted..

I will leave you for the moment to your topic and your purpose praying that God will accomplish His purpose in this thread!

 

[WaterSong]

Presidental Election Thread

The same Jesus that tells us to love one another is the very God who does not change.
Psalm 125:3
For the scepter of wickedness shall not rest upon the land of the righteous,
So that the righteous will not put forth their hands to do wrong.

 

[APAK]

Washington Post debunks this claim, by saying simply figures are interim figures not final totals.
This is terrible reporting and research by Trump and team. God help them

Bearing false testimony like this is sinful behaviour.

If anyone can now debunk anything without facts, then I hereby debunk the Washington Post's claim. And I hereby reinstate Trump's claim as valid and factual, based on his sources cited.

Look, I'm not going to chase down the claim you made on behalf of a newspaper that has been called many times 'fake news.' You are frankly lazy and cannot show the facts. Provide the root source of the proof else you are still considered the person on this site that keeps making a lot of useless noise for attention.

 

[WaterSong]

Here is the list of 109 Republican lawmakers in the House who voted to override the president’s defense bill veto (which was fully justified). They are mostly from Ohio and Texas (including Dan Crenshaw):

Robert B. Aderholt – Alabama
Mo Brooks – Alabama
Bradley Byrne – Alabama
Martha Roby – Alabama
Mike Rogers – Alabama
Don Young – Alaska
Eric A. “Rick” Crawford – Arkansas
French Hill – Arkansas
Steve Womack – Arkansas
Mike Garcia – California
Ken Calvert – California
Scott R. Tipton – Colorado
Doug Lamborn – Colorado
Francis Rooney – Florida
John H. Rutherford – Florida
Ross Spano – Florida
Michael Waltz – Florida
Daniel Webster – Florida
Vern Buchanan – Florida
Earl L. “Buddy” Carter – Georgia
A. Drew Ferguson IV – Georgia
Austin Scott – Georgia
Rob Woodall – Georgia
Michael K. Simpson – Idaho
Mike Bost – Illinois
Rodney Davis – Illinois
Adam Kinzinger – Illinois
Darin LaHood – Illinois
John Shimkus – Illinois
James R. Baird – Indiana
Jim Banks – Indiana
Larry Bucshon – Indiana
Susan W. Brooks – Indiana
Jackie Walorski – Indiana
Harold Rogers – Kentucky
Brett Guthrie – Kentucky
Garret Graves – Louisiana
Mike Johnson – Louisiana
Bill Huizenga – Michigan
Jack Bergman – Michigan
John R. Moolenaar – Michigan
Fred Upton – Michigan
Tim Walberg – Michigan
Pete Stauber – Minnesota
Michael Guest – Mississippi
Trent Kelly – Mississippi
Steven M. Palazzo – Mississippi
Sam Graves – Missouri
Vicky Hartzler – Missouri
Blaine Luetkemeyer – Missouri
Ann Wagner – Missouri
Greg Gianforte – Montana
Don Bacon – Nebraska
Mark E. Amodei – Nevada
Christopher H. Smith – New Jersey
Peter T. King – New York
John Katko – New York
Elise M. Stefanik – New York
Virginia Foxx – North Carolina
George Holding – North Carolina
Richard Hudson – North Carolina
Patrick T. McHenry – North Carolina
Gregory F. Murphy – North Carolina
David Rouzer – North Carolina
Kelly Armstrong – North Dakota
Troy Balderson – Ohio
Steve Chabot – Ohio
Bob Gibbs – Ohio
Anthony Gonzalez – Ohio
Bill Johnson – Ohio
David P. Joyce – Ohio
Robert E. Latta – Ohio
Michael R. Turner – Ohio
Brad R. Wenstrup – Ohio
Steve Stivers – Ohio
Tom Cole – Oklahoma
Frank D. Lucas – Oklahoma
Greg Walden – Oregon
Brian K. Fitzpatrick – Pennsylvania
Daniel Meuser – Pennsylvania
Fred Keller – Pennsylvania
Mike Kelly – Pennsylvania
Glenn Thompson – Pennsylvania
William R. Timmons IV – South Carolina
Joe Wilson – South Carolina
Dusty Johnson – South Dakota
Charles J. “Chuck” Fleischmann – Tennessee
Mark E. Green – Tennessee
David Kustoff – Tennessee
Kevin Brady – Texas
Michael Conaway – Texas
Dan Crenshaw – Texas
Bill Flores – Texas
Kay Granger – Texas
Will Hurd – Texas
Pete Olson – Texas
Michael T. McCaul – Texas
Van Taylor – Texas
Mac Thornberry – Texas
Roger Williams – Texas
Chris Stewart – Utah
John R. Curtis – Utah
Robert J. Wittman – Virginia
Denver Riggleman – Virginia
Dan Newhouse – Washington
Jaime Herrera Beutler – Washington
Cathy McMorris Rodgers – Washington
Mike Gallagher – Wisconsin
Liz Cheney – Wyoming

Here’s a List of Every Republican Representative Who Voted to Override President Trump’s NDAA Veto

Do you know why it is possible for "most of them" to be from Ohio and Texas? Without looking it up and from your own knowledge. As a Canadian.

 

[WaterSong]

If anyone can now debunk anything without facts, then I hereby debunk the Washington Post's claim. And I hereby reinstate Trump's claim as valid and factual, based on his sources cited.

Look, I'm not going to chase down the claim you made on behalf of a newspaper that has been called many times 'fake news.' You are frankly lazy and cannot show the facts. Provide the root source of the proof else you are still considered the person on this site that keeps making a lot of useless noise for attention.

Because they like the echo that resonates within the confines of their bridge.
They're trolling. That's what they are here. Read their post. It's mockery, sarcasm. "That's sinful behavior..." They're goading Americans with their evil intentions.
What they follow is not holy. Evil cannot share space with the Light of Christ.

 

[APAK]

Here is the list of 109 Republican lawmakers in the House who voted to override the president’s defense bill veto (which was fully justified). They are mostly from Ohio and Texas (including Dan Crenshaw):

Robert B. Aderholt – Alabama
Mo Brooks – Alabama
Bradley Byrne – Alabama
Martha Roby – Alabama
Mike Rogers – Alabama
Don Young – Alaska
Eric A. “Rick” Crawford – Arkansas
French Hill – Arkansas
Steve Womack – Arkansas
Mike Garcia – California
Ken Calvert – California
Scott R. Tipton – Colorado
Doug Lamborn – Colorado
Francis Rooney – Florida
John H. Rutherford – Florida
Ross Spano – Florida
Michael Waltz – Florida
Daniel Webster – Florida
Vern Buchanan – Florida
Earl L. “Buddy” Carter – Georgia
A. Drew Ferguson IV – Georgia
Austin Scott – Georgia
Rob Woodall – Georgia
Michael K. Simpson – Idaho
Mike Bost – Illinois
Rodney Davis – Illinois
Adam Kinzinger – Illinois
Darin LaHood – Illinois
John Shimkus – Illinois
James R. Baird – Indiana
Jim Banks – Indiana
Larry Bucshon – Indiana
Susan W. Brooks – Indiana
Jackie Walorski – Indiana
Harold Rogers – Kentucky
Brett Guthrie – Kentucky
Garret Graves – Louisiana
Mike Johnson – Louisiana
Bill Huizenga – Michigan
Jack Bergman – Michigan
John R. Moolenaar – Michigan
Fred Upton – Michigan
Tim Walberg – Michigan
Pete Stauber – Minnesota
Michael Guest – Mississippi
Trent Kelly – Mississippi
Steven M. Palazzo – Mississippi
Sam Graves – Missouri
Vicky Hartzler – Missouri
Blaine Luetkemeyer – Missouri
Ann Wagner – Missouri
Greg Gianforte – Montana
Don Bacon – Nebraska
Mark E. Amodei – Nevada
Christopher H. Smith – New Jersey
Peter T. King – New York
John Katko – New York
Elise M. Stefanik – New York
Virginia Foxx – North Carolina
George Holding – North Carolina
Richard Hudson – North Carolina
Patrick T. McHenry – North Carolina
Gregory F. Murphy – North Carolina
David Rouzer – North Carolina
Kelly Armstrong – North Dakota
Troy Balderson – Ohio
Steve Chabot – Ohio
Bob Gibbs – Ohio
Anthony Gonzalez – Ohio
Bill Johnson – Ohio
David P. Joyce – Ohio
Robert E. Latta – Ohio
Michael R. Turner – Ohio
Brad R. Wenstrup – Ohio
Steve Stivers – Ohio
Tom Cole – Oklahoma
Frank D. Lucas – Oklahoma
Greg Walden – Oregon
Brian K. Fitzpatrick – Pennsylvania
Daniel Meuser – Pennsylvania
Fred Keller – Pennsylvania
Mike Kelly – Pennsylvania
Glenn Thompson – Pennsylvania
William R. Timmons IV – South Carolina
Joe Wilson – South Carolina
Dusty Johnson – South Dakota
Charles J. “Chuck” Fleischmann – Tennessee
Mark E. Green – Tennessee
David Kustoff – Tennessee
Kevin Brady – Texas
Michael Conaway – Texas
Dan Crenshaw – Texas
Bill Flores – Texas
Kay Granger – Texas
Will Hurd – Texas
Pete Olson – Texas
Michael T. McCaul – Texas
Van Taylor – Texas
Mac Thornberry – Texas
Roger Williams – Texas
Chris Stewart – Utah
John R. Curtis – Utah
Robert J. Wittman – Virginia
Denver Riggleman – Virginia
Dan Newhouse – Washington
Jaime Herrera Beutler – Washington
Cathy McMorris Rodgers – Washington
Mike Gallagher – Wisconsin
Liz Cheney – Wyoming

Here’s a List of Every Republican Representative Who Voted to Override President Trump’s NDAA Veto

To tell you the truth, I do not know why Trump vetoed this Bill and therefore I cannot know why these 109 Rep. members voted to pass it. What is in it that is so contentious? I need to research it first.

 

[WaterSong]

Ah, RINO's. Awesomely gorgeous and majestic on the plains of Africa. Not so much in the halls of Congress.

Can you imagine how much good could be done for those in need in America, homeless veterans, the poor, etc... if the monies that bought RINO's in Congress to side with Treason against a lawful election were tallied and put toward a positive effort in America?
Tom Fitton Brilliantly Defends Rep. Gohmert in His Lawsuit Against VP Mike Pence to Resolve Election Results (VIDEO)

 

[APAK]

Because they like the echo that resonates within the confines of their bridge.
They're trolling. That's what they are here. Read their post. It's mockery, sarcasm. "That's sinful behavior..." They're goading Americans with their evil intentions.
What they follow is not holy. Evil cannot share space with the Light of Christ.

Yours is a logical conclusion.

I knew he was a troll in the first place. He was even trying in earnest to prove the WTC building pancake theory was fact, and debunk clear solid science that prepositioned charges brought down the buildings. At that point I knew he was full of of it....it is evil and mindless indeed.

 

[WaterSong]

To tell you the truth, I do not know why Trump vetoed this Bill and therefore I cannot know why these 109 Rep. members voted to pass it. What is in it that is so contentious? I need to research it first.

Maybe wait for them to tell us why the override of the veto was rightly so. As they stated in their post.
;)

 

[WaterSong]

Yours is a logical conclusion.

I knew he was a troll in the first place. He was even trying in earnest to prove the WTC building pancake theory was fact, and debunk clear solid science that prepositioned charges brought down the buildings. At that point I knew he was full of of it....it is evil and mindless indeed.

Agreed. I think they have a brother on board as well being there is a distinct posting style that is impossible to miss.
Dual personalities, or the pack attack. One or the other but for sure the same agenda in both.
Signs of having no life at all when spending hours dedicated to evil.
I would call it sad save they are so contented in their space.

 

[Gideons300]

That should be modified to say "A HANDFUL OF MEN are too eager for war". Every modern war has been a total disaster. But because a few manipulated world events (or political leaders), wars were started and produced nothing except bloodshed and destruction.

Many -- perhaps all -- wars could have been avoided if a few key evil men had been surgically removed from this planet (just like a tumor is surgically removed).

If God would surgically remove Biden and Harris from this planet tomorrow, it would prevent civil war in America (which is on the horizon). Not only that, it would be a warning to all the other evil conspirators who have conspired to destroy America (and the world).

Surgical removal?? Really? So assassination is the Christian's new weapon to bring good about in the earth? Do you even hear yourself? And just as the Word predicts, there will be those in the last day who will be so blinded by their flesh that when they kill others, they will think they do God a service.

A blackness of earthly-minded reasoning is being seen birthed in Christian circles. And it is growing. Its root is the old nature, motivated by hatred and pride. It will talk of grace, but fight tooth and nail to bend its version of truth to fit its own agenda.

The time to bow before God and cry out to Him to deliver us from US is coming into view. Some will cry out for it. Some will grow darker and darker, and instead say they have need of nothing.

The question is... who will admit they need to be delivered from self. Do we not get it? What is wrong with the world resides as well in the old nature of each one of us. Who will give Him no rest till He not only forgives us but also delivers us from the power of darkness rooted in our old man? There is a way to escape it but that way will not be made clear until we hunger after it with all that lies within us.

I know this much. Right now, far too many men occupying pews in our churches are quite content right where they are, confessing they have need of nothing, because grace makes it all ok anyway, so why sweat it?

Until we finally see that what needs to be 'surgically removed'..... put off..... reckoned dead..... is the old us, we will continue to flounder as the world flirts more and more with disaster. Until we, by faith, clothe ourselves with our new natures, we cannot have our minds renewed and see things as light beings, sojourners, passers through. And because of that deep unbelief, men are being influenced by the god of this world and risking their very eternities.

God forgive us and open our eyes.

blessings,

Gideon

 

[WaterSong]

December 29, Trump Campaign Takes Wisconsin Constitutional Fight to US Supreme Court -- Challenging 50,000 Illegal Absentee Votes

May God bring justice to this fight. In Jesus name, Amen.

 

[FollowHim]

If anyone can now debunk anything without facts, then I hereby debunk the Washington Post's claim. And I hereby reinstate Trump's claim as valid and factual, based on his sources cited.

Look, I'm not going to chase down the claim you made on behalf of a newspaper that has been called many times 'fake news.' You are frankly lazy and cannot show the facts. Provide the root source of the proof else you are still considered the person on this site that keeps making a lot of useless noise for attention.

Apak the point is simple. There is no case to answer quoting partial figures. I am not the judge and jury.
If people are serious about facts, they should research the source of the figures and how they are built.

If court cases are frivolous, and the same people claim now to have discovered false facts which are now true, they are fools running after the wind.
I always have this sense of maybe at last they have found something. When it evaporates in one article and analysis, it disappoints me at a serious level. Trump is gone, completely, and with each lie and nail in the coffin, it will not be just pushed out into the water, it will be laden down with lead weights and sunk in the deepest trench.

The harm of Trump is the betrayal of good people, who actually rely on real facts and figures. In the modern age there should be in elections rules about what you can quote are factual and what you cannot quote if found to be a lie. With modern technology and fact checking, figures should be concrete and reliable with a real guarantee. It should not be down to citizens to quote different sources of counts, but verified confirmed figures that stand with rigour.

I was once involved with an actuary doing a projection of a retirement product which based on its charges would run out of money too early on. The actuary said that was impossible, I obviously had got it wrong. I simply showed the figures and the projection to prove my point. It was the difference between selling a product legally or fraudulently, and it was down to our team to confirm this. The future of the company relied on these figures.

The figures here are no less serious, and the crime of fraud and overthrowing an election based on them is serious, historically serious. Yet it is treated like this does not matter, these folk have found a problem and all the alternative explanations are lies. I find it hard to see how people can live with themselves and claim to know Jesus and walk this way. The alternative is death, as Jesus declares the wages of sin is death. I will probably die within 20 years, but I desire to blaze in the light of Jesus and His word so it matters to me that His truth is not tainted with liars and lying. I hope and trust you feel likewise.

God bless you

 

[WaterSong]

View attachment 12352

Silly, that's not evidence. ;) lol
And I thought I was bad at math.

 

[Enoch111]

To tell you the truth, I do not know why Trump vetoed this Bill and therefore I cannot know why these 109 Rep. members voted to pass it. What is in it that is so contentious? I need to research it first.

Please read:
Five Reasons Trump Vetoed the Military Spending Bill NDAA

Trump's Defense-Bill Veto, Explained - WSJ

 

[WaterSong]

I know someone who's paternal grandfather died of Alzheimer's Disease.
Poor soul couldn't remember his wife's first name but he'd give vivid detailed descriptions of traveling across the west in a covered wagon in the early 1900's.
In Biden's case of dementia, I think he's unaware that he's letting the cat out of the bag while thinking he still won this years election. I believe he's actually making public the Deep State's intentions should he take the White House. And twice now it's the same reveal.
Just hours ago: Joe Biden Refers to Kamala Harris as "President-Elect" Yet Again

Weeks ago Biden said this:

(Watch KH's tell in that video when Biden speaks of resigning. She's going along with her usual, "Yeah...." line, smiling the fake smile because in the presidential campaign she made no bones about her dislike for Biden, and then she licks her lips. This is usually a sign of deep emotion in holding back from speaking out. In this case as in, you're not suppose to tell people that!)

 

[WaterSong]

For Trump critics all over the place that are upset he didn't veto the stimulus package. Trump Just Used The Impoundment Control Act Here's What That Means To Americans

(Correction et al) I believe as I recall in at least a couple of posts I referred to Trump wanting to increase the individuals stimulus check from $600., as was in the original Stimulus bill, to that of $1,200. per. I misspoke in those cases. It should have read from $600. per, to $2,000. per. The Boston cream pie made me confuzeled. Forgive me. Yes, it's the pie's fault! lol)