Predestination: A Calvinist Fairy Tale.

[Big Boy Johnson]

Right. But no scripture that says God has chosen some and damned others.

I never made that claim.

You'd have to go talk to calvin's people for that

 

[Robert Pate]

I never made that claim.

You'd have to go talk to calvin's people for that

We know what they would say.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

We know what they would say.

Yeah, the calvinists are actually saying that!

I always like to ask them how do they know they are one of the ones God decided to not save!

I've noticed that they always claim they are elect and saved... and those that aren't calvinist are not.

Funny how that works

 

[Robert Pate]

Yeah, the calvinists are actually saying that!

I always like to ask them how do they know they are one of the ones God decided to not save!

I've noticed that they always claim they are elect and saved... and those that aren't calvinist are not.

Funny how that works View attachment 41581

All false religions are related to Pharisaism. The Pharisees also thought that they were God's chosen ones. If you would like to see what Jesus thought of them read the 23rd chapter of Matthew.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then if God predestinates people to heaven where do the unsaved go?

First to the place of torment as told in the account of Lazarus and the rich man, then after the millenial kingdom- to the lake of fire!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yeah, the calvinists are actually saying that!

I always like to ask them how do they know they are one of the ones God decided to not save!

I've noticed that they always claim they are elect and saved... and those that aren't calvinist are not.

Funny how that works

That is easy!

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All false religions are related to Pharisaism. The Pharisees also thought that they were God's chosen ones. If you would like to see what Jesus thought of them read the 23rd chapter of Matthew.

So I guess if you believe you are saved you are part of a false religion also. Good to know

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Right. But no scripture that says God has chosen some and damned others.

Too bad ytou do not read carefully. I have given you the answer to your lie here multiple times. You need to find help to conquer this comprehension problem of yours.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is scripture that teaches God has predestined men to be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ.

Did you see that one yet?

In other words, when God created all men, it was His desire for them to live for Him and join in in eternity.

Misquoting scripture is bad.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This is directly speaking of individuals and not mankind in general.

 

[Robert Pate]

Misquoting scripture is bad.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This is directly speaking of individuals and not mankind in general.

All Christians are predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ.

 

[Robert Pate]

Too bad ytou do not read carefully. I have given you the answer to your lie here multiple times. You need to find help to conquer this comprehension problem of yours.

Where is the scripture that says God has predestinated some to heaven and some to hell. Scripture please.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All Christians are predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ.

Yes they are. God marked individuals in advance to be conformed to the image of Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where is the scripture that says God has predestinated some to heaven and some to hell. Scripture please.

I never said God did. That false concept is found in your head, not my words.

 

[Robert Pate]

I never said God did. That false concept is found in your head, not my words.

For some reason I took you for a Calvinist. Did I make a mistake? You said God marks some individuals ahead of time. Sounds like Calvinism.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

For some reason I took you for a Calvinist. Did I make a mistake? You said God marks some individuals ahead of time. Sounds like Calvinism.

I believe that the five points of Calvinism are biblical. As for the rest of Calvin theology I must answer with a firm I do not knkow if I agree or not.

But God does not predestinate people to hell. All are already condemned to hell by nature.

 

[Robert Pate]

I believe that the five points of Calvinism are biblical. As for the rest of Calvin theology I must answer with a firm I do not knkow if I agree or not.

But God does not predestinate people to hell. All are already condemned to hell by nature.

Those that are condemned to hell have rejected Christ and his Gospel. Salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8-10. If you don't receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, you will never see heaven.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Those that are condemned to hell have rejected Christ and his Gospel. Salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8-10. If you don't receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, you will never see heaven.

Yes I agree 100%. Your point is?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Calvinists don't believe just anybody can believe... they think God only loves calvinists and all non-calvinists go to hell.

I believe that the five points of Calvinism are biblical.

It's sad to hear you have been deceived by the scripture twisters.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes I agree 100%. Your point is?

The point is that salvation is a choice. "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The point is that salvation is a choice. "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

The calvinists have a real problem with... WHOSOEVER
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