Pope Francis has died

[Triumph1300]

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Once again and nothing new, people make a super man out of a person,
they do it with politicians and they do it with "religious" leaders.

The pope is nothing more than a religious leader, a false one.

I know some catholics, and some are indeed Christians, but they are fooled and should come from among them and stop supporting a cult.

The pope is not "a Holy Father" as some claim.
There is only one holy Father, and that is God, the creator of the Universe and everything in it.

 

[rockytopva]

The early church...

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. - Galatians 2

I would not consider any of them Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, What we know as the great awakening, or Word of Faith.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The early church was not in all harmony...

You point to controversies noted in scripture.

But nothing you have cited thus far justifies or even encourages denominational divisions.

 

[Rockerduck]

No you didn't. You were already prejudiced against Catholics.

Catholic teaching involves extant teachings. God never said, "MY bible' ....considering the bible had been changed for a few hundred years.

Or, if the future gets to you too....

The KJB has not changed since 1769.

 

[bdavidc]

Once again, *yawn*
Maybe you should lay off the anti-Catholic sites and actually RESEARCH their own beliefs. Ever pick up a Catechism? Go to a Mass? Go to a site like "Catholic Answers" and ask 'WHY do Catholics 'pray to' Mary..."?

My guess is that you are so attached to your own beliefs that you refuse to look at others alleged beliefs with an open mind...such as, you COULD be wrong.

The truth is, I’ve read what Catholics teach, from the Catechism, from their own sources, and it doesn’t line up with what the Bible actually says. I don’t need to adopt man-made religion or traditions when I already have the pure and sufficient Word of God. Jesus said in Mark 7:7–9, “In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men... You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” That’s exactly what the Catholic Church has done, elevating tradition, councils, and papal decrees above the authority of Scripture.

The Bible never tells us to pray to Mary or any other deceased person. In fact, Scripture strictly forbids seeking communication with the dead (Deuteronomy 18:10–12). There is one Mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5). Mary was a faithful servant of the Lord, but she is not our intercessor, savior, or Queen of Heaven. Those titles are unbiblical and dishonor the exclusive role of Christ.

God’s Word warns that “if anyone preaches another gospel… let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8–9). So no, I’m not closed-minded, I’m standing on the truth of Scripture, which is not open for revision. If Catholic teaching contradicts the Bible, then it must be rejected. That’s not hate, it’s obedience to God’s Word.

I’m not here to debate Catholicism’s false teachings. I know the truth from God’s Word, and I also know that trusting in a man-made version of God instead of the true and living God leads to eternal separation from Him, and that’s serious. I’ll answer to God for what I believe and proclaim, and you’ll answer for what you choose to follow.

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations of many different doctrines. In which Christ tackles in the book of Revelation... Giving his judgement on what was to come.

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos is a tower. Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
5. Sardis - Protestant - A Sardis is a gem.. You would not want to imply these folks as not saved!
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Have a hard time keeping the good revival going.
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich, and increased with goods.. And have need of nothing?

Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique one to another
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregations

I would consider the first two congregations

Apostolic
Martyr

And very little of what would come known as Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, or Word of Faith.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Please tell us, then... Of that perfect church congregation!

That's the excuse many use to continue sitting under false doctrine.

And even worse yet, many have no idea what false doctrine is because they think just because someone claims to be a "Christian" then they means they are teaching correctly.

I went thru that as a young believer and found that I had been sitting under false doctrine and as I grew in the Lord He taught m e that what He says in His Word comes first.

Some of the early churches I attended that taught false doctrine were all really nice people and they smiled a lot and were pleasant to be around but they never taught on the passages where Jesus and the Apostles corrected people who taught falsely. They might hurt other's feelings so they avoided large portions of scripture and instead just taught on the "positive" passages.

The one world religion is already being formed and it's all based on being "positive" meaning "whatever you think it truth that is your truth and you will go to Heaven as long as you are a nice person and stay positive"

Today, most people think all religious thought and all religious organizations all serve the same God and more and more people are even accepting satanists who also claim to be serving God

Is there any religious organization claiming to be of God that you would not accept and tell others to stay away from?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I don’t need to adopt man-made religion or traditions when I already have the pure and sufficient Word of God.

Amen!

 

[rockytopva]

To all the Anti-Catholics... Please tell us of you perfect Christian denomination. I am in bets we could have folks to criticize there as well.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: - Hebrews 9:27
The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy. - Proverbs 14:10

All of us who are Christian ought to know that we have our own weaknesses, in which we can be bitter over thinking within ourselves... "I hate that" over our shortcomings.

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations of many different doctrines. In which Christ tackles in the book of Revelation... Giving his judgement on what was to come.

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos is a tower. Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
5. Sardis - Protestant - A Sardis is a gem.. You would not want to imply these folks as not saved!
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Have a hard time keeping the good revival going.
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich, and increased with goods.. And have need of nothing?

Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique one to another
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregations

I would consider the first two congregations

Apostolic
Martyr

And very little of what would come known as Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, or Word of Faith.

That's the excuse many use to continue sitting under false doctrine.

And even worse yet, many have no idea what false doctrine is because they think just because someone claims to be a "Christian" then they means they are teaching correctly.

I went thru that as a young believer and found that I had been sitting under false doctrine and as I grew in the Lord He taught m e that what He says in His Word comes first.

Some of the early churches I attended that taught false doctrine were all really nice people and they smiled a lot and were pleasant to be around but they never taught on the passages where Jesus and the Apostles corrected people who taught falsely. They might hurt other's feelings so they avoided large portions of scripture and instead just taught on the "positive" passages.

The one world religion is already being formed and it's all based on being "positive" meaning "whatever you think it truth that is your truth and you will go to Heaven as long as you are a nice person and stay positive"

Today, most people think all religious thought and all religious organizations all serve the same God and more and more people are even accepting satanists who also claim to be serving God

Is there any religious organization claiming to be of God that you would not accept and tell others to stay away from?

I would tell anyone to get to know the senior pastor of the church. And if you find him a saintly type guy... Feel free to join! If there are suspicions of him being way out there in the flesh, and a million miles from the Spirit... Stay away from him... No matter the denomination!

 

[Dash RipRock]

Yet... Paul and Peter went their own separate ways... In which Paul would say... "Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation" - Romans 15

This does not mean they were not following the Lord and teaching that which the Holy Spirit told them to teach

Paul was sent to the gentiles and Peter to the Jews so each had different assignments from the Lord so they were supposed to go their separate ways.

No you didn't.

OK, here's a challenge for you.

Please so me in the New Testament where Jesus and His Apostles taught anybody to pray to mary.

considering the bible had been changed for a few hundred years.

God says He changes not so He's not the one adding stuff to His Word and taking stuff out of His Word

Or, if the future gets to you too....

When the future gets here, we'll see who ends up where

The early church was not in all harmony...

That was one instance and the Lord led Paul to confront Peter and after that they were all back on the same page.

"I hate that" over our shortcomings.

Is necromancy a "short coming"?

Is idol worship a "short coming"?

I would tell anyone to get to know the senior pastor of the church. And if you find him a saintly type guy... Feel free to join! If there are suspicions of him being way out there in the flesh, and a million miles from the Spirit... Stay away from him... No matter the denomination!

What if he teaches necromancy and idol worship?

Go ahead and join up as long as the guy seems to be a nice guy?

 

[bdavidc]

Neither of us know what was in Francis' heart or anyone else. Only Jesus can judge.

You're right that only Jesus sees the heart (1 Samuel 16:7), and He alone will judge all people in righteousness (John 5:22). But the Bible also tells us to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24) and to test everything by the standard of God's Word. When someone openly leads others in ways that contradict Scripture, we are not judging their heart, we are discerning their fruit, just as Jesus commanded. “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:16–20).

Jesus also made it clear in Matthew 23:9, “And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.” Yet the Pope is regularly called “Holy Father,” a title that belongs to God alone (John 17:11). That’s not a small matter, it’s a direct contradiction of Jesus’ teaching.

The Bible declares that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, not any man. “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence” (Colossians 1:18). When someone claims authority that belongs to Christ alone, and promotes doctrines and practices not found in Scripture, they are not leading people to God, but away from Him.

So while only Jesus will judge the eternal state of any soul, we are called to uphold truth and warn others when teachings deviate from it (Titus 1:9, Ephesians 5:11). Truth matters, especially when souls are at stake.

I sure wouldn’t want to be in his place when he stands before Jesus Christ and has to answer for those things. No one will be bowing to Francis then, every knee will bow to Jesus Christ alone (Philippians 2:10–11). Even angels refuse worship from men. In Revelation 22:8–9, when John fell at the angel’s feet, the angel said, “See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant... worship God.” And when Cornelius bowed before Peter, Peter told him, “Stand up; I myself also am a man” (Acts 10:25–26). Worship and honor of that kind belong to God alone, not to any man.

 

[Dash RipRock]

For your information, and to keep it in context, this is what I posted:
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Once again and nothing new, people make a super man out of a person,
they do it with politicians and they do it with "religious" leaders.

The pope is nothing more than a religious leader, a false one.

I know some catholics, and some are indeed Christians, but they are fooled and should come from among them and stop supporting a cult.

The pope is not "a Holy Father" as some claim.
There is only one holy Father, and that is God, the creator of the Universe and everything in it.

It would be a good statement if this part was removed "I know some catholics, and some are indeed Christians"

That part contradicts the rest of your statement.

 

[rockytopva]

This does not mean they were not following the Lord and teaching that which the Holy Spirit told them to teach

Paul was sent to the gentiles and Peter to the Jews so each had different assignments from the Lord so they were supposed to go their separate ways.

OK, here's a challenge for you.

Please so me in the New Testament where Jesus and His Apostles taught anybody to pray to mary.


God says He changes not so He's not the one adding stuff to His Word and taking stuff out of His Word


When the future gets here, we'll see who ends up where


That was one instance and the Lord led Paul to confront Peter and after that they were all back on the same page.

Is necromancy a "short coming"?

Is idol worship a "short coming"?

What if he teaches necromancy and idol worship?

Go ahead and join up as long as the guy seems to be a nice guy?

I am Pentecostal Holiness as long as we have a good Senior Pastor. Good Senior Pastors are hard to come by these days. I would visit the Catholic church if they would accept me. But I have not interest in joining. As far as Idol Worship...

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: - Colossians 5

Covetousness is identified as idolatry... In which we see much of it everywhere.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I am Pentecostal Holiness

I doubt very seriously that your pastor would agree with you concerning catholics

Pentecostal Holiness churches used to teach God's Word, not sure what they teach these days as I've not been to any Pentecostal Holiness churches in years.

Covetousness is identified as idolatry...

So is worshiping idols

I would visit the Catholic church if they would accept me

They'd be happy to have you and they would seek to indoctrinate you into joining up with them

 

[rockytopva]

I doubt very seriously that your pastor would agree with you concerning catholics

Pentecostal Holiness churches used to teach God's Word, not sure what they teach these days as I've not been to any Pentecostal Holiness churches in years.




So is worshiping idols




They'd be happy to have you and they would seek to indoctrinate you into joining up with them

Our old Pentecostal Holiness church... A fine bunch of people! The old timers used to say... We have something that will take us to heaven! And smile a little as they said it. Wonderful people. It has been my amazement that we have had a totally different people arise out of the same mental doctrine...

So I don't have a lot of criticism for other Christian denominations, including Catholic, as we could not keep the move of God going in our own denomination.

 

[Dash RipRock]

So I don't have a lot of criticism for other Christian denominations, including Catholic, as we could not keep the move of God going in our own denomination.

So if other churches teach false doctrine you believe the Lord still accepts them as they reject what He says in His Word?

Back in the day when I went to Pentecostal Holiness churches they taught God's Word and warned people who did not teach God's Word

Did you ask your pastor if it's OK to pray to mary and ask him to show you in the Bible where Jesus and the Apostles taught believers to pray to mary?

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations of many different doctrines. In which Christ tackles in the book of Revelation... Giving his judgement on what was to come.

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos is a tower. Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
5. Sardis - Protestant - A Sardis is a gem.. You would not want to imply these folks as not saved!
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Have a hard time keeping the good revival going.
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich, and increased with goods.. And have need of nothing?

Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique one to another
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregations

Criticizing my own movement.... In 2023 a revival broke own in Wesleyan Asbury university. To my understanding they stopped the revival due to traffic concerns. This is the problem in my own Philadelphia Church Age movement... We will experience a revival and move of God for a limited time... And then it all comes to an end. Very heart wrenching. Again... I have very little criticism for outside denominations, including Catholic, as my movement has such a hard time keeping the spirit of revival going...

The Outpouring Story of Revival | Asbury University

What began as a routine Wednesday morning Chapel service with the student body turned into a multi-week Outpouring that some have described as a revival.

www.asbury.edu

 

[Dash RipRock]

And then it all comes to an end. Very heart wrenching.

Is it a problem for you that the Lord decides when He wants to move and when He does?

 

[rockytopva]

Is it a problem for you that the Lord decides when He wants to move and when He does?

It would be nice to know where he is moving next! And as far as the Catholic church... I wish them well and hope they find a good Pope. Even though I have no interest in following the guy.