Pope Francis has died

[Triumph1300]

Here's what you said:

"I know some catholics, and some are indeed Christians"

In order to argue some more you have picked this part of my post out of context.
I am not interested in your opinion.

You are now on ignore.

 

[Dash RipRock]

You picked this part of my post out of context.

You are now on ignore.

Spin it any way you'd like, actually it leads people to believe they can still be in right standing with the Lord even as they follow a religious institution that does not teach God's Word.

 

[Rockerduck]

Truth.

Ephesus 4:1-6 - I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, 3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Mink57]

Mod Hat On.... Remembering a rule of ours...

Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.

Mod Hat Off...

Carry on! Remember we consider Catholic Christian... But not all Christian Catholic. So... Be nice!

Actually what you've said is so important!

Yes, Catholics ARE Christian. No different than a non-denominational Christian to call Jehovah's witness's...or Seventh Day Adventists Oooooo, "tools of the devil". If all non-Catholics believed the same thing, there wouldn't be over 40,000 denominations of "Christianity".

Seems like so many are into the whole,"Oh, noooo....THIS is what you should believe" And there's "proof" on BOTH sides. The whole "Once Saved Always Saved"...or "we only need FAITH and NOT works" and "our place in Heaven is secured ONLY by our faith"...

Eh.

Y'all believe what you want. I personally believe that faith without works is useless. As stated in the bible, PLUS it makes sense. Doesn't faith promote one to have works too? If a man tells his wife he loves her, and then proceeds to beat her, does he LOVE her? If we say to Christ, 'I love you' and then disobey his finest commandments of 'loving each other and loving God'...by belitteling, slandering, lying about someone, claiming some superiority over someone....

Is that "loving"? Is that CHRISTIAN?

Yet, aren't you guys doing that to us Catholics? Do you really think that ALL Catholics are hive-minded? That we're not smart enough to figure out what is what?

Do you all not get yet that because of these disputes, it's WHY we NEED Jesus in our lives? Not from the "bible"...but from HIM. It's why ALL of waiting for HIM to come back. To SETTLE disputes such as ours!

Yes, I'm Catholic. Doesn't mean that EVERYTHING the Pope says I agree with, nor do I take the passages in the bible that tells us to "abide by authority". I KNOW 'authority' can be WRONG.

Nuf said...

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree that false teaching are everywhere.

 

[amigo de christo]

May God rest his soul.


I grew up a Catholic.
I never understood it, but I certainly felt the force of its power.
Nothing made sense...
They never explained anything,\all we had was the rituals..
symbolic, yes,,
but they never took the time to explain
I found it very odd but enchanting

 

[rockytopva]

Actually what you've said is so important!

Yes, Catholics ARE Christian. No different than a non-denominational Christian to call Jehovah's witness's...or Seventh Day Adventists Oooooo, "tools of the devil". If all non-Catholics believed the same thing, there wouldn't be over 40,000 denominations of "Christianity".

Seems like so many are into the whole,"Oh, noooo....THIS is what you should believe" And there's "proof" on BOTH sides. The whole "Once Saved Always Saved"...or "we only need FAITH and NOT works" and "our place in Heaven is secured ONLY by our faith"...

Eh.

Y'all believe what you want. I personally believe that faith without works is useless. As stated in the bible, PLUS it makes sense. Doesn't faith promote one to have works too? If a man tells his wife he loves her, and then proceeds to beat her, does he LOVE her? If we say to Christ, 'I love you' and then disobey his finest commandments of 'loving each other and loving God'...by belitteling, slandering, lying about someone, claiming some superiority over someone....

Is that "loving"? Is that CHRISTIAN?

Yet, aren't you guys doing that to us Catholics? Do you really think that ALL Catholics are hive-minded? That we're not smart enough to figure out what is what?

Do you all not get yet that because of these disputes, it's WHY we NEED Jesus in our lives? Not from the "bible"...but from HIM. It's why ALL of waiting for HIM to come back. To SETTLE disputes such as ours!

Yes, I'm Catholic. Doesn't mean that EVERYTHING the Pope says I agree with, nor do I take the passages in the bible that tells us to "abide by authority". I KNOW 'authority' can be WRONG.

Nuf said...

And it is in my hopes that the Catholic Church picks a good Cardinal for Pope.

 

[amigo de christo]

In order to argue, you picked this part of my post out of context.

You are now on ignore.

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations with many scriptural interpretations...

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - The Septuagint
4. Thyatira - Catholic - Originally the Latin Nova Vulgata
5. Sardis - Protestant - Many versions translated from previous versions
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Many versions translated from previous versions
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Many versions translated from previous versions

Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique one to another
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregatons

I haven't visited the Messianic, Orthodox, or Catholic churches. I believe there are Christians in each of the congregations.

 

[Dash RipRock]

There is good and evil in any church. If anyone is trying to live a good Christian life within a church identified as Christian... We are not allowed to imply that they are not Christian.

It wasn't until the 1960s that the catholics started calling themselves "Christians"
Prior to that they claimed they were not Christians but catholics and were quite adamant about it.

Is it OK to claim to be Christian while doing things and teaching things God's Word forbids?

Just curious where this ends because there are other forums that have been taken over by people who reject God's Word being new agers and even satanists who claim they are "Christians" as they teach doctrine that is not taught in God's Word and all the actual Christians had to leave.

I hope that isn't happening to this forum, and there's a couple of staff members here that stand for what God's Word teaches that would need to be purged too as they tell others who claim to be Christians they are wrong although they do so politely.

I guess if one is polite it's OK then?

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations of many different doctrines. In which Christ tackles in the book of Revelation... Giving his judgement on what was to come.

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos is a tower. Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
5. Sardis - Protestant - A Sardis is a gem.. You would not want to imply these folks as not saved!
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Have a hard time keeping the good revival going.
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich, and increased with goods.. And have need of nothing?

Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique one to another
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregatons

I haven't visited the Messianic, Orthodox, or Catholic churches. I believe there are Christians in each of the congregations. If a congregation goes bad people suffer to the consequences of it all. In which case... The Protestant church can be just as bad!

 

[Dash RipRock]

Yes, Catholics ARE Christian. No different than a non-denominational Christian to call Jehovah's witness's...or Seventh Day Adventists Oooooo, "tools of the devil". If all non-Catholics believed the same thing, there wouldn't be over 40,000 denominations of "Christianity".

There we have it, the idea that all religious thought leads to salvation.

That's the coming one world religion right there.

All one has to do is what they did when the roman empire supposedly made Christianity their state religion which resulted in all the pagan religions having to claim they were "Christians" in order to get along with the roman government.

One can believe and do whatever they want as long as they claim to be "Christian"

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations of many different doctrines. In which Christ tackles in the book of Revelation... Giving his judgement on what was to come.

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos is a tower. Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
5. Sardis - Protestant - A Sardis is a gem.. You would not want to imply these folks as not saved!
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Have a hard time keeping the good revival going.
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich, and increased with goods.. And have need of nothing?

Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique one to another
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregatons

Seven stars... I believe the Pope is a star, or a messenger, to the Thyatirean church. Though not a member... I do not wish to dishonor the guy and in hopes they pick a good star, or pope, to lead their congregation.

 

[rockytopva]

There we have it, the idea that all religious thought leads to salvation.

That's the coming one world religion right there.

All one has to do is what they did when the roman empire supposedly made Christianity their state religion which resulted in all the pagan religions having to claim they were "Christians" in order to get along with the roman government.

One can believe and do whatever they want as long as they claim to be "Christian"

Please tell us, then... Of that perfect church congregation!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I believe the one church is made of seven generalized congregations with many scriptural interpretations...

Respectfully, Paul disagrees with you:

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Corinthians 1:10, KJV)

 

[rockytopva]

Respectfully, Paul disagrees with you:

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Corinthians 1:10, KJV)

Yet... Paul and Peter went their own separate ways... In which Paul would say... "Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation" - Romans 15

 

[Mink57]

I compared catholic teaching to what God says in His Word and the catholic teaching is different to what God teaches.

No you didn't. You were already prejudiced against Catholics.

Catholic teaching involves extant teachings. God never said, "MY bible' ....considering the bible had been changed for a few hundred years.

Feel free to stick with the catholics. I'll stand with the Lord.

You'll see what I'm talking about when the future gets here

Or, if the future gets to you too....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yet... Paul and Peter went their own separate ways...

Peter didn’t start a new denomination…

 

[rockytopva]

Peter didn’t start a new denomination…

The early church was not in all harmony...

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. - Galatians 2

 

[Michiah-Imla]

lest I should build upon another man's foundation" - Romans 15

You preach Christ to people who have never heard of Christ, that’s all.

Not where someone else already informed the people of Christ.