Poll: HISTORY - Did the Apostles ever make it out...?
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GISMYS_7
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Yes!!! Peter died in Rome, Paul preached all over the nearby nations too!
Wrangler
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I know the tomb of St John is in Greece. The tomb of Peter is in Rome.
Christian Gedge
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Church tradition has it that Thomas preached in Persia, Parthia and India. Martyred with a lance.
Truth7t7
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What does Scott believe about the Apostles travels, I'm waiting with suspense!
According to Darby/Scofield dispensational futurist fantasy, we don't know, because they haven't been sent out yet.
Okay...sounds like the consensus is that the apostles did indeed make it out of or through the cities of Israel after being sent by Jesus.
So then...since Jesus had come already, what do you make of this passage?
@Truth7t7Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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No Pre-TB
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My opinion, it has nothing to do with Peter in Rome and other places the apostles went. It may appear that way because it sounds that way. Didn’t Christ just finish telling them about persecution? As they fled from one city in Israel to the next from persecution, it seems as though he warned them it was needed that they live to spread the gospel. It wasn’t the idea that Christ would be back in their lifetime per se. He had also told them that when he would leave them, they’d need a sword. Now, I don’t take it literally because how do 2 swords protect 12 apostles? But the idea was they’d face real tribulations, martyrdom, prison, stoning and this saying of Christ with the basis of this topic, the apostles duty was long term, and it continues almost 2k years later in us. Then again, would love to hear other thoughts…
Behold
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Paul was all over the place.
Including what we know know as "Turkey"
Paul didnt like to go where Christ was already established, unless it was to return to a church that he planted.
So, outlying areas, beyond Israel, ... he went to many.
Why then did Jesus say He would come when He did?
Do you actually believe that they were just idle words, gestures of encouragement, but not the truth?
No Pre-TB
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If he said them, then they were truth. I’d have to go back and take some time to review it, but atm, I’d say time is relative to Him versus us. They always said, He is near as in coming back soon, but does that mean in their lifetime or nearer then when they were first sent out? The wedding must be furnished with guests. What is its limitation? Till the fullness of the nations comes in. Did that happen in Paul’s lifetime? I’d say no. Then Christ words were truthful but seen spanning time farther till all was completed. I don’t know if that answers your question, but I’m at work and responding over my phone. Not the best choice :)
Well...yes, it does mean in their lifetime--because He often said, "You" referring to those He was speaking to at the time regarding all "the things which must shortly take place."
But you are correct on the wedding and that the fulness of the nations must come. The question then becomes: How are the two seemingly different time frames reconciled?
Regarding Paul's lifetime (and all others), the correct answer is the same as Jesus gave to the high priest during those days, referring to him personally, saying, "you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
After.
Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Tommy Cool
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The things that Jesus Spoke of were the events that were to take place in sequence following the death and resurrection of our Lord.
Setting aside any personal beliefs regarding what you believe of Jesus when he was here on earth, because most of them are speculation and don’t line up with the Word.
According to Jesus Christ own words... it indicates He was fully man while on the earth (at least up until after His resurrection) … If that is not true then He lied ….and we know better. There are far too many scriptures that show limited knowledge regarding information of coming events …… Mat 10:23, Mar 13:32, Mar 13:30, to name a few …but there are a number of them.
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What Jesus knew and espoused was the information He knew and gleaned from the OT Scrolls…. And everything that He prophesied were to be the coming events.
Jesus did not lie …He simply did not know that God had a surprise …the mystery (secret) of the dispensation (administration) of grace which was kept hid in God and not fully realized until some years later after Pentecost.
Had the administration of grace not been sandwiched in ….all prophesized events from Jesus and the OT would have been the subsequent events…. Those prophecies will become a reality once this administration ceases …. which the Word shows… that will happen when Christ returns for the gathering together of the Church of the body.
I have never noticed the wording in that verse before Scott, it’s one of those ‘ wow ‘ moments when I see something new - I have read that passage loads of times !!!!! Lol
Hi Farouk,
It’s not the question of the thread that gave me the wow moment it’s the actual verse that Scott quoted.
I totally believe the apostles went to many places, but that’s not what Scott is really talking about xxx
It’s not the question of the thread that gave me the wow moment it’s the actual verse that Scott quoted.
I totally believe the apostles went to many places, but that’s not what Scott is really talking about xxx
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