Poll: Best age for first tattoo?
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I see that you said you don't regret them, anyway (though you might not do them again).
Seems anyhow like it's become well established among many Christians for faith ink to be acquired apparently without regret, often as a witness tool that is proven effective; the OP quote might seem to indicate how widespread it has become, anyway:
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@John Caldwell PS: You recently mentioned Mrs. Caldwell; so would she ever have gotten inked like her husband, or contemplated it?
It used to be very much a man thing years ago; although now to an overwhelming extent it's also become a very womanly thing to do, I guess.
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@Heart2Soul Kind of like a personal symphony, don't you think? :)
(Ppl have been discussing music on the other thread just recently.)
I haven't seen the other thread. I had to give the forum a break. Was getting too involved and spending too much time here instead of with God.
Great to concentrate on personal prayer and Scripture meditation indeed. :)
I was just referring to an analogy that came to mind between the idea and motivation and inspiration behind personal ink, and the nature of a musical symphony, that's all...(if you follow?)
@justbyfaith back a bit you said:
Seems that Christians frequently use tattoo parlor services today, don't they?
The underlying issue is that we are no longer under the law but under grace.
On the other hand, we will be called least in the kingdom if we break the least of God's commandments in the OT and also teach men to do likewise....
But unless you are going to walk around wearing tzitzit and tallit and tefilin, there is no avoiding being called least in the kingdom, from my interpretation of that.
On the other hand, we will be called least in the kingdom if we break the least of God's commandments in the OT and also teach men to do likewise....
But unless you are going to walk around wearing tzitzit and tallit and tefilin, there is no avoiding being called least in the kingdom, from my interpretation of that.
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As per Leviticus 19, would owners and workers at barber shops be least in the kingdom because they shave people's beards?
As a dispensationalist I would say that it's the Gospel rather than the law that is the rule of the New Testament believer's life.
But would you not say that sin is defined by the law (Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4 (kjv))?
It seems to me that we are exhorted not to sin in scripture (ex. 1 Corinthians 15:34).
It seems to me that we are exhorted not to sin in scripture (ex. 1 Corinthians 15:34).
It needs to be with a balance of Old and New Testament precepts; there are many things in the Old that are not carried forward into the New.
I don't think I have ever said people ought to get a tattoo; it's just clear that many faith based designs are widely used by Christians as proven conversation-starters in witness.
PS: There is a sense that Christian barbers are going to shave ppl's beards; Christian tattoo artists are going to give tattoos, etc.
Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.
Indeed so.Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.
The Epistle to the Hebrews also says that the law was changed and what we have now is better than the law. (Hebrews 7.12; Hebrews 7.19)
As a schoolmaster that leads men to Christ, as a definer of sin, and as a standard that all must live up to, the law has not changed (Matthew 5:17-20).
The only sense in which it has changed, is in that, for the believer, we now obey the spirit of what was written rather than being bound to the letter.
Also, now that we are in Christ, our relationship to the law has changed. We are no longer under it (Romans 6:14). We are dead to it (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19). And we have been delivered from it (Romans 7:6). See also Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18.
The only sense in which it has changed, is in that, for the believer, we now obey the spirit of what was written rather than being bound to the letter.
Also, now that we are in Christ, our relationship to the law has changed. We are no longer under it (Romans 6:14). We are dead to it (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19). And we have been delivered from it (Romans 7:6). See also Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18.
PS: @justbyfaith : An interesting point was made by @Butterfly a while ago, in relation to these issues:
Butterfly said:
Good verses there that you quoted. I think it's also significant that the priesthood was changed and this must mean that the law was changed also. Also it is by a better covenant that we approach God now; we are now in an era where what we have is truly better than the law. Hebrews 7 seems very clear about this.
(As regards things like faith based tattoo designs (e.g, Christian fish signs <>< or Bible verses/quotes on wrist areas, etc.), many Christians use them in witness now.)
I would say that those who have not come to faith yet are still under the OT law (Galatians 3:23); which has not changed for those who are putting their trust in their works to save them (Matthew 5:17-20; Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
The only sense in which the law has changed for that the priesthood has changed, is in that we are no longer married to the letter, we are now married to Christ; and walk in newness of spirit rather than in the oldness of the letter.
The only sense in which the law has changed for that the priesthood has changed, is in that we are no longer married to the letter, we are now married to Christ; and walk in newness of spirit rather than in the oldness of the letter.
I guess also I would say as a dispensationalist is that as per 1 Corinthians 10.32 I am not seeing the law as for the church. The law was strongly linked with Israel; whereas the promise to Abraham came before the giving of the law to Israel; and it's that promise which is still applicable now in the justification of sinners.
So maybe it's also a dispensational versus Reformed thing here.
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