Please Argue with me about Head Coverings

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul was concerned, not because the women were engaging in a ‘masculine’ activity but because they were doing so in an inappropriate way - with uncovered heads (verses 4,5).

Wasn't it rather that they were engaging the church with authority? Authority that they did not have. That's the inappropriate behavior/participation that is forbidden of women - authoritative discourse.

I don't think we can divorce this head covering issue from the context of authority.

 

[DuckieLady]

Guys, I appreciate the feedback on this but I feel like this is something I'm going to have to deal with and figure out on my on my own, alone

I have to go teach my kids, so I'm going to unwatch this thread and let you guys discuss it amongst yourselves

 

[farouk]

Guys, I appreciate the feedback on this but I feel like this is something I'm going to have to deal with and figure out on my on my own, alone

I have to go teach my kids, so I'm going to unwatch this thread and let you guys discuss it amongst yourselves

@FluffyYellowDuck I hope you will be guided and encouraged. If I have said too much on this thread, I regret it.

 

[DuckieLady]

@FluffyYellowDuck I hope you will be guided and encouraged. If I have said too much on this thread, I regret it.

No @farouk you didn't, no worries :)

 

[ScottA]

The men remove their hats when they pray. it is being practiced

It is simply customary. But if it continues to portray what is good for those that are new to the faith, good to a point, but better if they simply bow their head. Think about what it portrays.

In this same way, John the Baptist did not get a hair cut-- his Head was cut off.

 

[DuckieLady]

@farouk I will say this, since I believe you said your wife covers in church, I had to think about it and if Paul was alive today, I don't think he would have changed his mind on the custom and would have expected us to uphold it.

He gave his reasoning in the letter already and there is no reason to come up with our own reasons. It's already there.

 

[Wynona]

When I get serious in prayer, I wear a head covering at home. I suppose I could wear one to church but my husband feels strange about it. For me, it might simply be a nice hat for outside situations.

The Scripture says it is a sign to the angels and a symbol of the husband's headship.

I would say, if it bothers your conscious, to go ahead and wear a pretty one and forget what others think.

If you believe a woman should wear one when praying or prophesying, and we are to pray without ceasing, then you don't need other opinions. You have already decided in your heart what is good.

Im glad you brought it up. I may purchase a hat for outside the home situations. I have hair scarves at home.

Edit: Consider headcoveringmovement.com

 

[Deborah_]

Wasn't it rather that they were engaging the church with authority? Authority that they did not have. That's the inappropriate behavior/participation that is forbidden of women - authoritative discourse.

I don't think so. In I Corinthians 11, Paul is talking about women who pray or prophesy in church, and these are not authoritative behaviours. (Prophecy isn't authoritative because it should be subjected to the judgement of the whole congregation).

 

[DuckieLady]

When I get serious in prayer, I wear a head covering at home. I suppose I could wear one to church but my husband feels strange about it. For me, it might simply be a nice hat for outside situations.

The Scripture says it is a sign to the angels and a symbol of the husband's headship.

I would say, if it bothers your conscious, to go ahead and wear a pretty one and forget what others think.

If you believe a woman should wear one when praying or prophesying, and we are to pray without ceasing, then you don't need other opinions. You have already decided in your heart what is good.

Im glad you brought it up. I may purchase a hat for outside the home situations. I have hair scarves at home.

Edit: Consider headcoveringmovement.com

Oh praise God I'm not alone in this!

Now I feel safer. Lol


That is a very good resource- the quotes on there by RC Sproul and Luther on the subject give me the most comfort.

Honestly, I had not told anyone this but I'll open up about it now. I felt like my prayers were being hindered in my mind, like I just could not think through the words until I covered.

I don't know why but when I did, it stopped.

Btw when I went to church covered, mine were this kind:

(Garlands of Grace)

Nobody cared when I went wearing a short pencil skirt the first few times, or tight midi dresses, because I didn't know what I was doing.

Surprisingly, the curiousity came after when I went covered with a full length skirt and THAT is when the Christian judgment comes. Not when you're dressed promiscuous.

Odd experience and a little ironic, but I'll tell you what, church grandmothers love me.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here is the deal.

I stumbled on old pictures and felt guilty for giving up my covering. Honestly I quit out of pride and I was afraid I wouldn't be ever seen as marriage potential because of it. There, I said it.

And I can't change my mind and I have convictions, and every argument that I know of I have the answer to already, so I need you guys to argue with me and see if someone can change my mind.

It will take me a few hours to get back but I'll contest any responses- unless someone has one I can't deny.

Warning: I spent years studying this.

Well it is ismple.

1 Corinthians 11
King James Version

11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Head coverings are required for married women in the assembly or meeting to show their submission to God by their submission to their husband.

Paul concluded his thoughts by sayi8ng it is a teaching in all the churches.

also if the covering is a womans hair- then men should be bald!

this is the whoile teaching in the bible for the church without commentary or word twisting or cultural arguments.

 

[Wynona]

Oh praise God I'm not alone in this!

Now I feel safer. Lol


That is a very good resource- the quotes on there by RC Sproul and Luther on the subject give me the most comfort.

Honestly, I had not told anyone this but I'll open up about it now. I felt like my prayers were being hindered in my mind, like I just could not think through the words until I covered.

I don't know why but when I did, it stopped.

Btw when I went to church covered, mine were this kind:

(Garlands of Grace)

Nobody cared when I went wearing a short pencil skirt the first few times, or tight midi dresses, because I didn't know what I was doing.

Surprisingly, the curiousity came after when I went covered with a full length skirt and THAT is when the Christian judgment comes. Not when you're dressed promiscuous.

Odd experience and a little ironic, but I'll tell you what, church grandmothers love me.

That is beautiful. I understand exactly what you mean about the clarity that comes.

And how the judgement comes when you are trying to be modest.

But anyway, no you are not alone at all!

 

[Hidden In Him]

Surprisingly, the curiousity came after when I went covered with a full length skirt and THAT is when the Christian judgment comes. Not when you're dressed promiscuous.

This I fully agree with, and I have seen many things myself. Younger women especially dressed in stuff that left zero to the imagination on their figure, and it truly doesn't belong in church. I don't care who thinks I'm prudish. It needs to be corrected. It's bad enough that there seems to be so little focus on the hidden woman of the heart, which scripture emphasized, but to tolerate egregious attention to the outer woman of the flesh instead is symptomatic of the truly sad and superficial state of the church in our times.

I don't say it to lay a heavy on anyone. I'm simply saying this is the type of thing that is very telling on the current state of the church.

 

[Lambano]

Honestly, I had not told anyone this but I'll open up about it now. I felt like my prayers were being hindered in my mind, like I just could not think through the words until I covered.

I don't know why but when I did, it stopped.

I think you found the answer you were looking for. :)

The covering looks pretty.;)

 

[DuckieLady]

That is beautiful. I understand exactly what you mean about the clarity that comes.

And how the judgement comes when you are trying to be modest. Someone got offended even when I said wearing skirts only was a personal conviction I had at the time.

I didn't think someone could get offended at someone else's personal conviction but I was wrong.

But anyway, no you are not alone at all!

I feel you completely on this. I wore skirts not for the scriptural part, but because modesty- pants outline and jeans show features not everyone needs to know about and I don't want people thinking about it.

I'm wearing jeans right now and I am not at all comfortable.

I know exactly what you mean about the offendedness- know you have a sister here who gets it!

 

[Wrangler]

Repent & wear head covering so as to stop feeling guilty.

This is the opposite response than I would have expected on here lol

This is not an argument. You asked for an argument. There it is. What is your rebuttal? And also, why do you want to argue the point?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I don't think so. In I Corinthians 11, Paul is talking about women who pray or prophesy in church, and these are not authoritative behaviours. (Prophecy isn't authoritative because it should be subjected to the judgement of the whole congregation).

Correct, prophesying is not prohibited.
From the sum total of all the passages about women in the church they seem to be summarized in the matter of them not improperly seizing teaching and pastoral authority that they do not, by nature, have. I'm a man and I don't have that authority either, lol. The point being, offices of authority in the church are only given to men. The matter of this head covering is in regard to a woman keeping the symbol of her covering on her head in submission and humility.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

@farouk I will say this, since I believe you said your wife covers in church, I had to think about it and if Paul was alive today, I don't think he would have changed his mind on the custom and would have expected us to uphold it.

He gave his reasoning in the letter already and there is no reason to come up with our own reasons. It's already there.

The issue I bring up is no one knows what the head covering means. It's a long lost understanding. So no one knows what it means if you have it on, or whether you have decided to not have it on. That's why I say this only matters among believers who know about and submit to the teaching about the head covering. But at the end of the day, your conscience is what determines if you should wear it or not.

 

[Mantis]

Oh praise God I'm not alone in this!

Now I feel safer. Lol


That is a very good resource- the quotes on there by RC Sproul and Luther on the subject give me the most comfort.

Honestly, I had not told anyone this but I'll open up about it now. I felt like my prayers were being hindered in my mind, like I just could not think through the words until I covered.

I don't know why but when I did, it stopped.

Btw when I went to church covered, mine were this kind:

(Garlands of Grace)

Nobody cared when I went wearing a short pencil skirt the first few times, or tight midi dresses, because I didn't know what I was doing.

Surprisingly, the curiousity came after when I went covered with a full length skirt and THAT is when the Christian judgment comes. Not when you're dressed promiscuous.

Odd experience and a little ironic, but I'll tell you what, church grandmothers love me.

I love that look in that picture!

 

[Mantis]

I take off my hat in prayer as it says it is a shame if I keep it on. I notice many men in my church do the same.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Here is the deal.

I stumbled on old pictures and felt guilty for giving up my covering. Honestly I quit out of pride and I was afraid I wouldn't be ever seen as marriage potential because of it. There, I said it.

And I can't change my mind and I have convictions, and every argument that I know of I have the answer to already, so I need you guys to argue with me and see if someone can change my mind.

It will take me a few hours to get back but I'll contest any responses- unless someone has one I can't deny.

Warning: I spent years studying this.

I've never seen woman wearing head coverings unless their amish or middle eastern or african. Not sure where you got your head covering doctrine, I know it's in the bible. I don't really see it as a problem whether you do or don't.