PETER AND PAUL AND THE RESURRECTION AND SALVATION

[Doug]

There is a difference in the preaching of Peter and Paul in regards to the resurrection and salvation.

The church today, the Body of Christ, is to follow Paul and his doctrine and commandments. Peter preached as he was taught by Christ during his earthly ministry and while we can learn from Peter and the other apostles, we are not required to do, obey nor apply all they taught.

THE RESURRECTION:

[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

The twelve preached Jesus raised from the dead to sit upon the throne of David (Luke 1:32).

[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Paul preached that Jesus was raised for our justification unto eternal life.

SALVATION:

[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

The twelve preached the forgiveness of sin and salvation for the believing nation of Israel at the coming of Christ ( 1 Peter 1:5 1 Peter 1:7).

[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Paul preached salvation now by faith in the shed blood of Christ.

 

[Behold]

Paul preached salvation now by faith in the shed blood of Christ.

Yes.

And Reader,
Paul's "Gospel" has no water baptism in it, because Paul is showing that its "justification by FAITH".. and not "repent and be baptized" that is the True Gospel.

Should you be water baptized... AFTER you are SAVED? (Born.. again).<.
Of course.

Here is a KEY for the Bible Student..................

The "Acts of the Apostles" is 30 Yrs long... obo.

When it started, there was no "Christian" PAUL......and Peter was using John The Baptist's preaching to the JEWS, in Acts 2:38. (during Pentecost).

As the Years went by, Peter learned Paul's Gospel, as did James, John, Matthew, and all the rest of the Apostles, who remained.

What does that mean?
It means, that not all of the Apostle had the same understanding, the same revelation, at the same time.

Did you ever wonder why James seems to be teaching Works + Faith, ....and Peter was teaching "Water + Repent",..... and Then Paul said.. "Its my Gospel ONLY......or i would that the person teaching another gospel...= be CURSED if even an Angel "preaches any other".... And Paul's Gospel is "Justification by Faith", without works or water... that is "The Gospel of the GRACE of God".

So, see what is happening?

The Apostles had to get the revelations, exactly like we do.., and that took time.

It was not until Acts 15.. that is at least 15 yrs, after Jesus is back in Heaven, that ALL the Apostles understood the same knowledge regarding The Gospel that is "Paul's Gospel" that WE are to preach, teach, and share, today.

 

[Doug]

Should you be water baptized... AFTER you are SAVED? (Born.. again).<.
Of course.

We are baptized by the Holy Spirit 1 Corinthians 12:13
Paul does not command us to be water baptized

 

[Doug]

It was not until Acts 15.. that is at least 15 yrs, after Jesus is back in Heaven, that ALL the Apostles understood the same knowledge regarding The Gospel that is "Paul's Gospel" that WE are to preach, teach, and share, today.

They did come to know Paul's gospel as can be seen in Galatians 2:2 and understood some but they never preached it as you say
Peter as well 2 Peter 3:16

 

[Behold]

We are baptized by the Holy Spirit 1 Corinthians 12:13
Paul does not command us to be water baptized

Paul said.>>"Christ sent me not to water baptize"...

He did water baptize converts...but this is subsequent to their Salvation.

 

[Behold]

They did come to know Paul's gospel

Yes.

Acts 15

 

[Doug]

Paul said.>>"Christ sent me not to water baptize"...

He did water baptize converts...but this is subsequent to their Salvation.

[1Co 1:14 KJV] 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Paul did not intend to baptize all nor said all believers should be

 

[Behold]

[1Co 1:14 KJV] 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Paul did not intend to baptize all nor said all believers should be

Paul is talking to this specific Local Assembly.. so in their case = He only water baptized 2 of these Corinth Church Members.

 

[Doug]

Paul is talking to this specific Local Assembly.. so in their case = He only water baptized 2 of these Corinth Church Members.

[Eph 4:5 KJV] 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The one baptism by the Spirit placing us into the Body of Christ does not allow a second water baptism

 

[Behold]

[Eph 4:5 KJV] 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The one baptism by the Spirit placing us into the Body of Christ does not allow a second water baptism

There is a "new birth" that is to be "born.....again"... Spiritually.. and that is spiritual baptism via The Holy Spirit into God = "in Christ" as "one with God"

And now that the born again have become a """ new Creation".............we are to be water baptized.

 

[Doug]

There is a "new birth" that is to be "born.....again"... Spiritually.. and that is spiritual baptism via The Holy Spirit into God = "in Christ" as "one with God"

Actually being born again was only applied to Israel

[Exo 4:22 KJV] 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:

Israel is called firstborn ....this is the first birth

[Jhn 3:5 KJV] 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Entering the kingdom is speaking about the believing remnant of Israel entering the Davidic kingdom on earth

[Jhn 3:7 KJV] 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Saying ye is plural....he was addressing the nation of Israel

 

[Doug]

And now that the born again have become a """ new Creation".............we are to be water baptized.

Can you please give me the verse for this

 

[Matthias]

Newbies who read and believe this are in trouble. This constant pitting of Paul against Peter (and all of the other apostles, as well as against the preaching of the Messiah) is a calamity.

 

[Doug]

Newbies who read and believe this are in trouble. This constant pitting of Paul against Peter (and all of the other apostles, as well as against the preaching of the Messiah) is a calamity.

It is not pitting Peter against Paul to show that they had different gospels, different teachings, different audiences
Peter had a valid apostleship and preached what Jesus taught and commanded him and we can learn from him...we just dont follow him we follow Paul

 

[Matthias]

It is not pitting Peter against Paul to show that they had different gospels, different teachings, different audiences

There is only one gospel. When someone says that there is more than one then the preachers of one are pitted against the preachers of the other.

Jesus and the apostles are teaching one audience, with one gospel -> that audience is mankind.

The wall that separated the Jew from the Gentile has been torn down. I would instruct a newbie that the followers of Jesus cannot go about rebuilding the wall that God in Messiah has torn down.

Peter had a valid apostleship and preached what Jesus taught and commanded him and we can learn from him...we just dont follow him we follow Paul

I follow Jesus and all of the apostles. Anything short of that is dividing the body of Messiah.

 

[Doug]

There is only one gospel

If there is only one gospel what do you do with this verse

[Rev 14:6 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[Rev 14:7 KJV] 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

It does not say believe Christ died for our sins was buried rose again nor the kingdom is at hand

 

[Doug]

Jesus and the apostles are teaching one audience, with one gospel -> that audience is mankind.

Show me that verse please

 

[Doug]

The wall that separated the Jew from the Gentile has been torn down. I would instruct a newbie that the followers of Jesus cannot go about rebuilding the wall that God in Messiah has torn down.

Paul said this seeing he preached that the message of the grace of God made Jew and Gentile one in Christ
Jews today are to believe the gospel Paul preached to become one new creature

 

[Doug]

I follow Jesus and all of the apostles. Anything short of that is dividing the body of Messiah.

What verse says there is a body of Messiah

 

[Doug]

I follow Jesus and all of the apostles

But Paul says otherwise
[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
If one wants to follow Jesus we should follow Paul