Paul's Gospel

[soul man]

Oh Yeah, my name was well known in RCC school - stay away from that David!

I was west coast. We never did anything to deserve a beating :-)

 

[David in NJ]

Lol

And now, we can truly Laugh out loud, without shame or fear.

When the Lord brought back the captivity of Zion,
We were like those who dream.
Then our mouth was filled with laughter,
And our tongue with singing.
Then they said among the nations,
“The Lord has done great things for them.”
The Lord has done great things for us,
And we are glad.

 

[David in NJ]

I was west coast. We never did anything to deserve a beating :)

You were in chill zone, each to his own, stay cool bro and just lay low, it'll all work out............

 

[soul man]

And now, we can truly Laugh out loud, without shame or fear.

When the Lord brought back the captivity of Zion,
We were like those who dream.
Then our mouth was filled with laughter,
And our tongue with singing.
Then they said among the nations,
“The Lord has done great things for them.”
The Lord has done great things for us,
And we are glad.

Yes sir - I say we can either laugh or cry. What are you going to do it is the way it was. I was just in your part of the woods - the food oh man unbelievable. I'm a bread man and the breads are the best I found in this country. You familiar with Amaroso rolls wow.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes sir - I say we can either laugh or cry. What are you going to do it is the way it was. I was just in your part of the woods - the food oh man unbelievable. I'm a bread man and the breads are the best I found in this country. You familiar with Amaroso rolls wow.

The absolute, indisputable best tasting and nutrious bread i ever had was from a stone oven baked organic whole grain bread.

Our family would buy three loaves and just eat that bread alone as a complete meal = it was that good.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, - Romans 16:25 .

Underline 'my gospel.' My gospel - is the most important words in your Bible. 'My gospel' - written 3 times in scripture. We need to take a serious look at that, and follow through on it's instructions. When Paul instructs believers to follow him, what did he mean by that?
You follow Paul through his Epistle's.

He wrote 14 books of the bible, and they are all written directly to you. It is "the gospel of grace written to the born again." Why would the born again need a gospel? Because they never existed before in the world - and they never had a gospel. It is that simple - we needed our own message to go with the cross and the new birth.

Can you explain this. The born again need a gospel? The gospel is needed to be born again.

You didn't know you had your own message but you do. He is very protective of his gospel. He gives many warning about his gospel not being like other gospels - It has no law in it. Paul moved in fear and trembling because of his gospel. He guarded his gospel from his own background, always afraid he would mix law with the grace he was receiving by revelation. That was Paul's fear and trembling. Paul was above many of his peers when it came to understanding Jewish law and traditions. Very educated man, but that understanding was giving way to the new understanding of Christ in you.

No gospel ever had the law in it. The Law was not good news, it was bad news, It cursed everyone who did not confirm and obey every letter. Only Christ met that standard. So by the law came a curse. that's not good news. that is bad news

Paul spent a few years in the desert (getting out of his mind alot of his law understanding, IMO), we don't know why but I speculate - the Lord was working on Paul to get a lot of his old understanding out of him so he could understand this new message of grace.

Why would Paul use the kind of language he uses such as; my gospel? He separated his gospel from anything else anyone would say. He would put his gospel up against any message that would try to displace his gospel of grace - knowing the law would separate believers (in mind - not knowing who they are) and not establish them in Christ. It was the gospel that was given to him to give to us - this new race of people to be born (birthed by God the father) into existence that never existed before! The born again believer! ..scripture calls them.

He wanted us to know he had the message to the born again. Look at some of the problems he with some of the other Apostles. We have to confront religious ideas about scripture - the idea we get that everybody gets along and it's all ok. It was not ok, they had many run ins, and it was all over the gospel. You will have to confront that if you follow Paul. All they knew was law and Paul came with this new message of grace and it didn't fit what other's believed. That was a problem for Paul and he would confront those with his gospel. He had to because God was bringing in the message for the new creation people that had started on the day of Pentecost.

A new people with a new gospel, and Christianity was born! Follow Paul, as he followed the Lord in getting the new revelation gospel revealed.

Paul did not teach a different gospel. He taught the same gospel. He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already. Whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. Christ fulfilled the law. as he kept it from birth with no sin, Died as the high priest and lamb of God and was resurrected.

Peter taught the same gospel As did James and John

 

[soul man]

Can you explain this. The born again need a gospel? The gospel is needed to be born again.


No gospel ever had the law in it. The Law was not good news, it was bad news, It cursed everyone who did not confirm and obey every letter. Only Christ met that standard. So by the law came a curse. that's not good news. that is bad news



Paul did not teach a different gospel. He taught the same gospel. He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already. Whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. Christ fulfilled the law. as he kept it from birth with no sin, Died as the high priest and lamb of God and was resurrected.

Peter taught the same gospel As did James and John

Just my understanding. Look at scripture without Pauls 14 epistles. First see if you can find the in Christ message. Before Paul came preaching Christ as he did. See what you find!

 

[soul man]

Peter taught the same gospel As did James and John

but contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; - Galatians 2:7.

 

[David in NJ]

but contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; - Galatians 2:7.

You think this verse is saying that there are two different gospels? One for the Jew and one for the Gentile?

 

[soul man]

You think this verse is saying that there are two different gospels? One for the Jew and one for the Gentile?

No, I don't think Peter knew any better at the time. Paul concluded - if you feel God called you to preach circumcision then you should go preach circumcision. As for me (Paul) God called me to preach uncircumcision. Peter came to a better understanding of the cross. We can base that on his Epistles, and what he said on Pentecost. Two different messages come out of him. Peter talks about new birth and the seed in his epistles, and so on. But it wasn't until Paul was preaching. He never really took Paul like Paul was to be taken and he says Paul was a hard man to take. Nothing bad on Peter, he grew like any one else. It is there to read.. written. I say things from some of my study through the years.. conversation.. good fellowship with those that I feel had a good understanding.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

but contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; - Galatians 2:7.

to the

There is only one gospel. there is only ones means to salvation.

The only difference for the NT is that we know WHAT is the means of our salvation. (the mystery paul spoke of)

It has always been of grace through faith. Even Abraham was saved by faith (rom 4) not works

 

[theefaith]

ALWAYS BAD NEWS if an angel appears without any words of comfort

it is God (thru the ministry of His angel) who is greeting Mary, and seeking her consent to His salvation thru being the mother of the savior!

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

The mother of any king is automatically queen and rules half the kingdom!
The queen mother!

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace who is the throne of divine grace!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just my understanding. Look at scripture without Pauls 14 epistles. First see if you can find the in Christ message. Before Paul came preaching Christ as he did. See what you find!

I have been doing that for decades.

they teach the same gospel.

What do you think Jesus taught that Paul did not?

 

[theefaith]

Differences in Lk 1

Lk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Mary is the Queen of the Angels!

The angel is greeting his sovereign mistress and no introduction is needed with Mary, like verse 19 cos Mary knows Gabriel, Mary from the first moment of her creation by God is immaculate! (And sees the beatific vision of God always before her eyes, even in her mothers womb, my opinion) so she knows Gabriel who stands on the presence of God!

Matt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Has the use of reason even in her mothers womb, Mary at age three was consecrated to God in the temple and made a VOW of perpetual virginity to God, practicing faith, hope, and charity! Lk 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord!

Totally offering herself to God!
Pure and holy!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, I don't think Peter knew any better at the time. Paul concluded - if you feel God called you to preach circumcision then you should go preach circumcision. As for me (Paul) God called me to preach uncircumcision. Peter came to a better understanding of the cross. We can base that on his Epistles, and what he said on Pentecost. Two different messages come out of him. Peter talks about new birth and the seed in his epistles, and so on. But it wasn't until Paul was preaching. He never really took Paul like Paul was to be taken and he says Paul was a hard man to take. Nothing bad on Peter, he grew like any one else. It is there to read.. written. I say things from some of my study through the years.. conversation.. good fellowship with those that I feel had a good understanding.

I do not see Paul ever told peter to teach circumcision as part of the gospel. Where do you find this?

 

[soul man]

I have been doing that for decades.

they teach the same gospel.

What do you think Jesus taught that Paul did not?

You honestly cannot see a difference? Jesus gave paul the gospel he preached.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You honestly cannot see a difference? Jesus gave paul the gospel he preached.

Yes, as also he gave the rest of the apostles.

Can you explain how Jesus and the rest taught a different way to heaven than Paul?

 

[theefaith]

So did my wife..not putting it down just kidding around. Hey it wasn't for our past we probably wouldn't even know anything about a God. I say alot about religion but it has it's place in the world.

religion supplies the things we owe to God for creating us, and to Jesus for redeeming us, and to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying us!

 

[theefaith]

So did my wife..not putting it down just kidding around. Hey it wasn't for our past we probably wouldn't even know anything about a God. I say alot about religion but it has it's place in the world.

ask her if she remembers “criss Kringle”at Christmas time

“criss kringle” was the practice of giving a Christmas gift without the person knowing who gave it to them, usually done by a girl for a boy, kind of like a secret admirer, oh those days of youthful innocence!

 

[David in NJ]

No, I don't think Peter knew any better at the time. Paul concluded - if you feel God called you to preach circumcision then you should go preach circumcision. As for me (Paul) God called me to preach uncircumcision. Peter came to a better understanding of the cross. We can base that on his Epistles, and what he said on Pentecost. Two different messages come out of him. Peter talks about new birth and the seed in his epistles, and so on. But it wasn't until Paul was preaching. He never really took Paul like Paul was to be taken and he says Paul was a hard man to take. Nothing bad on Peter, he grew like any one else. It is there to read.. written. I say things from some of my study through the years.. conversation.. good fellowship with those that I feel had a good understanding.

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.