OSAS being False Doctrine!

[Ritajanice]

True Belief, comes from God, he is the one who opens the heart of his child to “ Believe “ and receive his Living word.

His word comes in Spirit and truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

A converted beleiver DOES work by the POWER of the SPIRIT .
Which do include warning and reminding just like paul and others did . EVERY WORD worketh GOOD to our soul .
JESUS KNOWS HOW To keep the lambs safe . I suggest we heed ALL HIS reminders as well as the SPIRIT filled reminders
of the apostels . As well as all those warnings and reminders FROM JESUS in heaven to the seven churches .
LAMBS NEED THE SPIRIT , we need the reminders , we need the exhortations of the SPIRIT of the words of GOD.

I rest in the Lord, I worry not....he is the one who leads and guides me...

 

[Taken]

We means WE my friend . IF paul said WE , OOPSY that included himself .
OSAS tries to tell ya it means uncoverted beleivers , BUT PAUL said WE pardner .
Just like a universalists sees scrips differently , so too does an osas one . IF we are seeing scrips
through the lens of mens doctrines , WE WONT be FULLY SEEING THEM the way we SHOULD BE .
A unversalists can do exactly what you do , IMPLY it means something it dont . WE MEANETH WE my friend .
WE MEANETH WE . IF i came and preached WE NEED TO OBEY THE SPRIIT , that WE includes me .
WE included paul pardner . Let us simply learn the scrips for ourselves .

Well aware of speaking in the First Person.
Paul was ALREADY SAVED when He Preached….
TO: “his WE brothers” (Gentiles)
TO; “his WE brethren” (Jews)

Paul was included IN brotherhood to the RACES of Jews and Gentiles, YET separated from them by, through, of the Holy Spirit.

Rather ODD paul sure seemed to write the CHURCH saying this and including WE in it .
YOU say what you say through the lens of OSAS . THEM WARNINGS and REMINDERS APPLIED TO ALL IN THE CHURCH .
The sooner you learn that , the better off you will indeed be .
I know how you all were taught , they tried to program me too when i first went to a certain church .
I didnt fall for it then and by grace i wont now . YOU NEED TO JUST be exhorted by what is written
NOT try and twist it to fit an acryomn . LIke i said in my other post
Universalists can do the same thing . THEY TOO try and see UNIVERSALISM in THE SCRIPTURE , and they see it wrongly .
WELL you keep trying to SEE OSAS in everything . IN other words you allowed MEN to TWIST TRUTH to CHANGE TRUTH
TO fit an acroynm . RATHER THAN reading it for you and letting the words of TRUTH form in you , you did and do as many do
TWIST the word to fit AN IDEAL of men .

I do not need to be reminded of Gods MAKING me Converted.
Nor do I need to be reminded No man can Remove me From His Hand.

It affects me not one iota IF others think God Too Weak to KEEP a Converted man WITH Him forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I rest in the Lord, I worry not....he is the one who leads and guides me...

Correct.
Truth, Comfort, Peace Having His Spirit IN a man.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Well aware of speaking in the First Person.
Paul was ALREADY SAVED when He Preached….
TO: “his WE brothers” (Gentiles)
TO; “his WE brethren” (Jews)

Paul was included IN brotherhood to the RACES of Jews and Gentiles, YET separated from them by, through, of the Holy Spirit.

I do not need to be reminded of Gods MAKING me Converted.
Nor do I need to be reminded No man can Remove me From His Hand.

It affects me not one iota IF others think God Too Weak to KEEP a Converted man WITH Him forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

You really are missing the point of God Keeping. God will not keep you against your will. God loves you more than you can love anyone but he wants the same of you. If you fall back in love with the wordily things and choose to cling to them and not love God enough to let them go and follow Gods teaching then God sadly lets you go to what you love. He will not make you love him and walk with him he calls you but he wants you to respond yes he can make you but that is not what he is seeking.

Look at Adam God made Adam He loved Adam and wanted Adam to love him enough to keep his word. He knew Adam would not but he still gave Adam the choice. He only gave Adam one command to not eat of the one tree. He knew Adam would fall but he did not want to force Adam to be obedient he wanted that from Adams own desire to love him enough to keep his word.

He knew Adam would fall from the grace he gave Adam so he had already made a plan to redeem Adam if Adam chose to restore his standing with God.

The same plays true with us we have sinned and fell short and God offers us redemption. He is not going to force us to take it but the call is there for us tom respond to.If we love him as he loved us and respond to his call we will be saved but if we falter and not keep his word and fall back in love with the world he will let us to our wishes and not force us to love him even though that is his desire that we love him as he loved us.

 

[Taken]

You really are missing the point of God Keeping. God will not keep you against your will.

Never said or implied such a thing.

God IS ALL-KNOWING.
A person WHO Heartfully BELIEVES, Heartfully CONFESSES his BELIEF….

First of all, IS NOT a Belief and Confession from HIS MIND, (which “changes” constantly.)

Secondly, a TRUE Believer and Confessor is GIVING HIS BODY unto DEATH for GOD….

Can a DEAD man, change his MINDS thoughts, his HEARTS thoughts, ANY thoughts?

Can a PRESUMED Believing, Converted DEAD man say WHOOPS…decided to NOT Believe…ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, FOOLED ya God…??
REALLY, a man CAN FOOL his ALL KNOWING creator and maker?

I’ll stick with Gods Word, who can not lie, who does not break Promises….
ONCE God has forgiven a man of his SIN of Disbelief Against God…it’s permanent, and the man can sin no more.
ONCE God accepts a mans BODY, crucified with Christ, that man is no longer his OLD man.
ONCE God restores (saves) a soul, It’s permanent.
ONCE God quickens (a mans spirit), It’s permanent.
ONCE God seals a man, It’s permanent.

Men are EVEN WARNED to BE SURE of their CHOICE to ELECT God as their God…
BECAUSE IT IS Permanent.
No, separation or divorcing…Permanently Yoked WITH God.

2 Peter 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

God loves you more than you can love anyone but he wants the same of you. If you fall back in love with the wordily things and choose to cling to them and not love God enough to let them go and follow Gods teaching then God sadly lets you go to what you love. He will not make you love him and walk with him he calls you but he wants you to respond yes he can make you but that is not what he is seeking.

God Loves ALL of His Creations.
Falling away applies to UN-converted Believers, WHO CAN Fall away.

They CAN FALL away, Because they are LIMITED, trying to KEEP BELIEVING by their OWN Natural Flesh…Freewill.

A CONVERTED man, CAN NOT FALL AWAY, Because the Spirit of God IS IN him, he BEING KEPT by the POWER OF GOD!

Look at Adam God made Adam He loved Adam and wanted Adam to love him enough to keep his word. He knew Adam would not but he still gave Adam the choice. He only gave Adam one command to not eat of the one tree. He knew Adam would fall but he did not want to force Adam to be obedient he wanted that from Adams own desire to love him enough to keep his word.

He knew Adam would fall from the grace he gave Adam so he had already made a plan to redeem Adam if Adam chose to restore his standing with God.

The same plays true with us we have sinned and fell short and God offers us redemption.

He is not going to force us to take it

Said nor implied any such thing.
God Offers. Jesus Paid the Price.
Men can Accept His Offering or Forfeit what was already Paid for and Reserved for them to Take.

but the call is there for us tom respond to.If we love him as he loved us and respond to his call we will be saved but if we falter and not keep his word and fall back in love with the world he will let us to our wishes and not force us to love him even though that is his desire that we love him as he loved us.

SHALL be saved, is Conditional to A BeLIEVER, that IF he continues to the end.

IS saved, is Conditional to a CONVERTED man, that FOREVER he shall BE WITH God.

 

[St. SteVen]

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

That's a good one for this topic. Thanks.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Perhaps you could QUOTE Scripture of God Fulfilling Promises and then Undoing His fulfilled Promises.

Already have posted tons of verses... maybe you missed them.

I do not need to be reminded of Gods MAKING me Converted.

You did not cooperate with the Lord at all???.... It just magically happened?

God's Word clearly teaches that we are to choose to submit to Him using the free will He gave to us when He sovereignly chose to create man in His Own Image:
1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Job 22:21
Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.

1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.

Romans 8:7
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

Psalm 40:8
I delight to do Your will, O my God; Your Law is within my heart

Psalm 143:10
Teach me to do Your will,
For You are my God;
Let Your good Spirit lead me on level ground.

Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother

John 7:17
If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Ephesians 6:6
not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

Hebrews 13:21
equip you in every good thing to do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 John 2:17
The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

If you fall back in love with the wordily things and choose to cling to them and not love God enough to let them go and follow Gods teaching then God sadly lets you go to what you love. He will not make you love him and walk with him he calls you but he wants you to respond yes he can make you but that is not what he is seeking.

Exactly! This is a major point the OSAS peoples fail to acknowledge that keeps them from seeing and understanding the full truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Never said or implied such a thing.

If this were true... you would not be advocating for the false doctrine of the OSAS peoples.

A CONVERTED man, CAN NOT FALL AWAY

So your claim is at some point God removes one's free will??

That would mean when the Lord says the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (Romans 11:29).... you think that is no longer true for some people.

 

[Taken]

Already have posted tons of verses... maybe you missed them.

Never saw a single post of you quoting Scripture of God failing to keep the Converted … Converted.

You did not cooperate with the Lord at all???.... It just magically happened?

LOL… a person exercising their freewill to become made converted is not magic.

God's Word clearly teaches that we are to choose to submit to Him using the free will

…and you are the only one who is wondering if Gods response to a person s election of God, is magic. WOW!

This is a major point the OSAS peoples fail to acknowledge that keeps them from seeing and understanding the full truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The FACT is SOME PEOPLE believe God Being FULL of GRACE, SENT Jesus as an EXAMPLE for manKIND, to SEE, and TESTIFY they SAW Jesus Freely, WILLINGLY GIVE His BODY ONCE for God and a WAY for manKIND to ALSO Freely, WILLINGLY GIVE ‘THEIR’ BODY ONCE, for God.

Seems you missed ONCE is sufficient.

So your claim is at some point God removes one's free will??

I made no such claim.
Scripture itself Expressly Reveals “A DEAD BODY KNOWS NOTHING”.

So your claim is at some point God removes one's free will??

No that is NOT my claim, IF it were it would be posted under my name, not yours.

 

[Wrangler]

Never saw a single post of you quoting Scripture of God failing to keep the Converted

It's not God that fails to keep the converted. It is the converted who choose to turn away.

Having said that, I think we've all seent the verses before. Jesus called us the salt of the earth and that salt that has lost it's flavor will be thrown away; branches that do not produce fruit will be thrown into the fire. What do you suppose Jesus was talking about?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

LOL… a person exercising their freewill to become made converted is not magic.

You're the one claiming God did it all and you did nothing... I thought you might be following that jesus that does the magic tricks or something... that would be the fake jesuis of calvinism of course which is where OSAS came from.

…and you are the only one who is wondering if Gods response to a person s election of God

God "elected" everyone... but sadly, few answer his call.

I've already posted numerous verses proving limited atonement is a doctrine of demons as it is in direct opposition to what God says in His Word... but I understand, calvinists get their doctrine from an UN-repentant murderer so nobody ever got good doctrine from a murderer.

But, I understand... calvinists make up their own "truth" as they go along

 

[Godslittleservant]

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

1 Timothy 4:1,2
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

2 Timothy 4:1-5
1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.


Hebrews 6:4-8
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge His people." 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 10:35,36
35 Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

Just a few dealing with this subject there are many more if you seek the truth

Yes we have assurance of salvation IF we walk with the Lord Yes we can have salvation but chose to turn our back on it.

It is not God taking it from us or satan or man it is our choosing a separate path on our own we are the only one that can throw God's grace away. God wants us to love him as he loved us and to live by and do his will just as any Father does. It is up to us whether we accept his will in our life no one else can decide that for us and even though God can it is not his will he wants us to chose him not him make us love him.

Some try to avoid these teaching by saying they were never saved but that is contrary to what the words say Please take all scripture on this subject and make it all fit together let the bible speak do not try to speak for it.

 

[Taken]

You're the one claiming God did it all and you did nothing...

FALSE…God provided an OFFERING, I accepted ACCORDING TO HIS WAY, as I have explicitly said on this forum on more than one occasion!

ALL the MAKING (of His OFFERED Changes and my ACCEPTING of His OFFERING) IS explicitly MADE BY the Holy Lord God Almighty, WHO IS the creator and MAKER of ALL things!

Your Understanding repeatedly reveals it is MINDful….EVEN though Gods WAY IS about HEARTful UNDERSTANDING.

I thought you might be following that jesus that does the magic tricks or something... that would be the fake jesuis of calvinism of course which is where OSAS came from.

Gods ONCE and FOREVER Salvation comes FROM God…not men…by whatever “TAG” they claim to be associated with.

God "elected" everyone... but sadly, few answer his call.

Men who DESIRE God, Believe and Confess their Belief, ARE men WHO ELECT God…

Men…Choose YOU THIS day whom YOU shall serve.
(Josh 24:15)
Men…Know YOU are beloved for YOUR election of God.
(1 Thes. 1:4)

I've already posted numerous verses proving limited atonement

You posted numerous verses applying to Believers YET…UN-CONVERTED men…
Warnings…THEY CAN FALL AWAY “FROM FAITH”….Duh! They are Keeping their FAITH by their OWN POWER…

Did you so soon forget?? the MAJORITY of People are “UNDER the governorship of TYRANTS, anti-Christs” who take their marching orders from YET a FEWER who ARE the (Barrons so to speak)….in other words the UBER WEALTHY whose wealth Buys them Control over the whole world.

Those CONVERTED IN Christ, are NOT at Risk of “LOSING” their SALVATION.
ONLY a person WHO HAS NOT RECEIVED (BEEN MADE CONVERTED) IS ALWAYS AT RISK OF LOSING their Salvation (by forfeiture) by NOT TAKING their Gift of Salvation.

And if they Are NOT Converted, they have NOT Received their Gift of Salvation!
NOT complicated.

is a doctrine of demons as it is in direct opposition to what God says in His Word... but I understand, calvinists get their doctrine from an UN-repentant murderer so nobody ever got good doctrine from a murderer.

But, I understand... calvinists make up their own "truth" as they go along

By your fruits, I wholly doubt you understand anything Spiritual.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Taken I hear you and agree that yes we have assurance in salvation Yes God is merciful and gracious and will not take our salvation from us but once saved we must walk accordingly we must walk in the spirit and for the most part all of us will but there may be a few that decides to turn back to the old way if so that does not mean God did not give them salvation it just means that unlike the rest of us they did not chose to remain and finish the race.

 

[Gottservant]

Unless one is a baby Christian and is just now learning God's Word... anybody that's has been walking with the Lord for a while knows scripture does not teach "once saved always saved", aka eternal security.

Here's one that most definitely DOES Speak Against the Eternal Security of the believer

Galatians 6:7-8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

[...]

You are right if we sow corruption, then we reap corruption, but who is the one who continually reaps corruption? The Devil! Therefore the Devil can take our Salvation away, but not if we don't want him to (which is why in principle, our faith remains our faith). That is not to say we can't be redeemed from the Devil's work, but our flesh may not survive even though our spirit does.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I accepted

OK, so now you are admitting that God does not literally do everything!

By saying you accepted what the Lord did, the calvinists will claim you are earnings your salvation

So if you keep saying that, the calvinists will give you the left foot of fellowship and you'll no longer be in fellowship with all the calvinist brethren which would actually be a good thing!

Gods ONCE and FOREVER Salvation comes FROM God…not men…

That's true and if a man does not receive it and turn from their sins to abide in Christ... then what the Lord did is not applicable to that man

And if that man receives what the Lord did, turning from their sins to abide in Christ... and then later allows the devil to con him in to turning away from the Lord and goes back to living in sin, then then what the Lord did is no longer applicable to that man.

Men who DESIRE God, Believe and Confess their Belief, ARE men WHO ELECT God…

If you keep talking like that then you won't be OSAS and the calvinist brethren will giveth you the left foot of fellowship!

You posted numerous verses applying to Believers YET…UN-CONVERTED men…

Yes and when one turns away from the Lord... they become UN-CONVERTED men… having put off the new man and put the old man back on to walk after the pleasures of the flesh.

By your fruits, I wholly doubt you understand anything Spiritual.

What happened to tha judge not lest you be judged thing you calvinists always throw at people when they don't agree with fake calvinist teachings???

Oh, I forgot... it allies to me but not for thee...

our flesh may not survive even though our spirit does.

So we can go back and live in sin, choosing of our own free will to walk after the pleasures of the flesh.... and if we die in that condition we would go to Heaven???

That's not what reap corruption means. If one dies in that condition, they will find themselves going soth if they croak not north.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

G5356
fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.

G5351
strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

 

[Taken]

OK, so now you are admitting that God does not literally do everything!

Admitting nothing new…
Man freely makes his choice.
God MAKES all the changes IN a man WHO chooses the Lord God AND heartfully confesses his choice.

By saying you accepted what the Lord did, the calvinists will claim you are earnings your salvation

Couldn’t tell you what a Calvinist believes, claims, or much care.

A man who DOES the “work” of God…
BELIEVES.
A man who CONFESSES his BELIEF DOES a “service” unto God.

So if you keep saying that, the calvinists will give you the left foot of fellowship and you'll no longer be in fellowship with all the calvinist brethren which would actually be a good thing!

Name “TAGS” of this and that religious sect seem to be highly prized by some…and a point of discontent for others…
Doesn’t much matter to me.
Not hard to sum up an individuals character regardless of their religious affiliation.

That's true and if a man does not receive it and turn from their sins to abide in Christ... then what the Lord did is not applicable to that man

You Still don’t get it….
the Lord Gods POWER in that Converted man IS THE POWER THAT KEEPS THAT MAN “IN FAITH” “IN BELIEF” “IN the Lord God Almighty”…FOREVER.

THAT man CAN “SIN” not more…
Which means…never again can that man …
Stand AGAINST God ie. NOT Believe in God!

Can that man STAND AGAINST other men?
yes. God doesn’t STOP him. A man might stop him. A law might stop him. A fist, a fence, a war, a bullet might stop him….
A man might lie, cheat, steal, sneak, and the law, or the one trespasses against might Punish him. God doesn’t .
IF that man was Converted, he is still Converted, and can sin no more.

I do not EQUATE, SIN against God the same as Trespasses of men against men.
God Forgives the Repentant man of SIN against Him.
Men as well can OR NOT Forgive the repentant Man of trespasses against him.

All the crap, ill will works A converted man has or will do….SHALL BE BURNED.
All the good will works A converted man has or will do….that which Glorifies God…
SHALL BE REWARDED.

Maybe you believe men SIN Against men??
I don’t.

And if that man receives what the Lord did, turning from their sins to abide in Christ... and then later allows the devil to con him in to turning away from the Lord and goes back to living in sin, then then what the Lord did is no longer applicable to that man.

Not possible for a converted man….Less you believe the Devil’s Power is greater than Gods ??

If you keep talking like that then you won't be OSAS and the calvinist brethren will giveth you the left foot of fellowship!

Blah, blah irrelevant.

Yes and when one turns away from the Lord... they become UN-CONVERTED men… having put off the new man and put the old man back on to walk after the pleasures of the flesh.

Wrong. you think the ALL-Knowing God….does not know EVERY THOUGHT a man has had or will have? And oops he converts a man who will later Stand against Him? Nope!

What happened to tha judge not lest you be judged thing you calvinists always throw at people when they don't agree with fake calvinist teachings???

Oh, I forgot... it allies to me but not for thee...

Boring me with your Calvinist obsession.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Admitting nothing new…
Man freely makes his choice.
God MAKES all the changes IN a man WHO chooses the Lord God AND heartfully confesses his choice.

OK, so the Association of Calvinsts are going to be upset with you 'bout that!
This isn't a very OSAS thing to say ya know.

the Lord Gods POWER in that Converted man IS THE POWER THAT KEEPS THAT MAN “IN FAITH” “IN BELIEF” “IN the Lord God Almighty”…FOREVER.

Opps! You just backslid back in to calvinism!
the Association of Calvinsts will be pleased

This means God must remove the saved man's free will and make him in to a mindless robot to he never turns away from the Lord again... this is lock step with the false teachings of calvinism but they say even if a man lives in sin he will still be saved.

Your claim is God removes the Christians free will and after that that they are literally perfect exactly like Jesus which is funny cause none of your calvinists walk on water and do the miracles Jesus was doing... so this un-biblical view is screwy in St Louie to quote the famous Hanna Barbara philosopher... Bugs Bunny.

I do not EQUATE, SIN against God the same as Trespasses of men against men.

Oh so this is quite the calvinist viewpoint.... your idea of a "christian" can do others dirty... and God does not see that as a sin. Your calvinist brethren file this under the heading of being elect where they can do all the sin they want and still go to Heaven.

This is quite the hilarious point of view. Now we know that associating with you personally will get one thrown under the bus, ripped off, and done dirty because... you think treating people dirty is not a sin and the Lord is quite pleased with this sort of behavior.

Boring me with your Calvinist obsession.

You embrace the false tenants of calvinisn... you keep this up and the Association of Calvinsts will invite you to be the keynotes speaker at their next convention in sin city (Las Vegas)

 

[Taken]

OK, so the Association of Calvinsts are going to be upset with you 'bout that!
This isn't a very OSAS thing to say ya know.



Opps! You just backslid back in to calvinism!
the Association of Calvinsts will be pleased

This means God must remove the saved man's free will and make him in to a mindless robot to he never turns away from the Lord again... this is lock step with the false teachings of calvinism but they say even if a man lives in sin he will still be saved.

Your claim is God removes the Christians free will and after that that they are literally perfect exactly like Jesus which is funny cause none of your calvinists walk on water and do the miracles Jesus was doing... so this un-biblical view is screwy in St Louie to quote the famous Hanna Barbara philosopher... Bugs Bunny.



Oh so this is quite the calvinist viewpoint.... your idea of a "christian" can do others dirty... and God does not see that as a sin. Your calvinist brethren file this under the heading of being elect where they can do all the sin they want and still go to Heaven.

This is quite the hilarious point of view. Now we know that associating with you personally will get one thrown under the bus, ripped off, and done dirty because... you think treating people dirty is not a sin and the Lord is quite pleased with this sort of behavior.



You embrace the false tenants of calvinisn... you keep this up and the Association of Calvinsts will invite you to be the keynotes speaker at their next convention in sin city (Las Vegas)

Elementary, Secular and Irrelevant.

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

OK, so the Association of Calvinsts are going to be upset with you 'bout that!
This isn't a very OSAS thing to say ya know.



Opps! You just backslid back in to calvinism!
the Association of Calvinsts will be pleased

This means God must remove the saved man's free will and make him in to a mindless robot to he never turns away from the Lord again... this is lock step with the false teachings of calvinism but they say even if a man lives in sin he will still be saved.

Your claim is God removes the Christians free will and after that that they are literally perfect exactly like Jesus which is funny cause none of your calvinists walk on water and do the miracles Jesus was doing... so this un-biblical view is screwy in St Louie to quote the famous Hanna Barbara philosopher... Bugs Bunny.



Oh so this is quite the calvinist viewpoint.... your idea of a "christian" can do others dirty... and God does not see that as a sin. Your calvinist brethren file this under the heading of being elect where they can do all the sin they want and still go to Heaven.

This is quite the hilarious point of view. Now we know that associating with you personally will get one thrown under the bus, ripped off, and done dirty because... you think treating people dirty is not a sin and the Lord is quite pleased with this sort of behavior.



You embrace the false tenants of calvinisn... you keep this up and the Association of Calvinsts will invite you to be the keynotes speaker at their next convention in sin city (Las Vegas)

Just saying rock on from a weaker spirit. You are doing as Jesus wanted, raging against the hypocrites.