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Elementary, Secular and Irrelevant.

Well, when the future gets here we'll see...

Just saying rock on from a weaker spirit. You are doing as Jesus wanted, raging against the hypocrites.

I don't know if I'd calling it "raging" since I'm not all mad and upset or anything.

I learned long ago to cast my cares upon the Lord (1 Peter 5:7) because He cares for me and to remain in perfect peace by keeping my mind on Him (Isaiah 26:3).

I'm just posting stuff from God's Word to help those that have fallen prey to the tricks of the devil by the teaching of calvinism, reformed theology, catholicism, and other non-biblical religious teachings to accept ALL the Lord says in His Word concerning salvation which includes His warnings about what causes loss of salvation.

It's really sad how most people don't know of all the false doctrine that was brought in after the Apostle Paul left... that's not only still with us today, but it taught as being orthodox Christian teaching.

Those that do not accept the whole counsel of God and instead follow those bits and pieces teachers who only believe and teach bits and pieces... are easily ensnared in 'ol slewfoot's deceptions.
 
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Well, when the future gets here we'll see...



I don't know if I'd calling it "raging" since I'm not all mad and upset or anything.

I learned long ago to cast my cares upon the Lord (1 Peter 5:7) because He cares for me and to remain in perfect peace by keeping my mind on Him (Isaiah 26:3).

I'm just posting stuff from God's Word to help those that have fallen prey to the tricks of the devil by the teaching of calvinism, reformed theology, catholicism, and other non-biblical religious teachings to accept ALL the Lord says in His Word concerning salvation which includes His warnings about what causes loss of salvation.

It's really sad how most people don't know of all the false doctrine that was brought in after the Apostle Paul left... that's not only still with us today, but it taught as being orthodox Christian teaching.

Those that do not accept the whole counsel of God and instead follow those bits and pieces teachers who only believe and teach bits and pieces... are easily ensnared in 'ol slewfoot's deceptions.
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This is off topic but the only way I could think of to ask Big Boy Johnson if you could start a conversation with me I can not start a personal conversation with you for some reason it is not available.
 
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Well, when the future gets here we'll see...



I don't know if I'd calling it "raging" since I'm not all mad and upset or anything.

I learned long ago to cast my cares upon the Lord (1 Peter 5:7) because He cares for me and to remain in perfect peace by keeping my mind on Him (Isaiah 26:3).

I'm just posting stuff from God's Word to help those that have fallen prey to the tricks of the devil by the teaching of calvinism, reformed theology, catholicism, and other non-biblical religious teachings to accept ALL the Lord says in His Word concerning salvation which includes His warnings about what causes loss of salvation.

It's really sad how most people don't know of all the false doctrine that was brought in after the Apostle Paul left... that's not only still with us today, but it taught as being orthodox Christian teaching.

Those that do not accept the whole counsel of God and instead follow those bits and pieces teachers who only believe and teach bits and pieces... are easily ensnared in 'ol slewfoot's deceptions.
Then roar on my friend. Let their sorcery burn. If they can't become gold then burn em like tare.
 

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Then roar on my friend. Let their sorcery burn. If they can't become gold then burn em like tare.

While that's true... I always like to tell folks they should repent just to throw that out there.

I was on another board a while back talking about how OSAS doctrine is total garbage and a guy was arguing that it wasn't and then he admitted he was getting drunk on the booze sometimes and was "trying" to quit

And eventually he admitted the OSAS was not going to work and he needed to quit drinking the booze so after pages of going back and forth arguing about it all... some good came out of it.

So, you never know... occasionally someone will see that God's Word is true when someone confronts them with some scripture that don't normally here in the circles they run on.
 
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While that's true... I always like to tell folks they should repent just to throw that out there.

I was on another board a while back talking about how OSAS doctrine is total garbage and a guy was arguing that it wasn't and then he admitted he was getting drunk on the booze sometimes and was "trying" to quit

And eventually he admitted the OSAS was not going to work and he needed to quit drinking the booze so after pages of going back and forth arguing about it all... some good came out of it.

So, you never know... occasionally someone will see that God's Word is true when someone confronts them with some scripture that don't normally here in the circles they run on.
Yes, your preserverence is most admirable.

Genesis 18:32
And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

When I feel "blasphemy" and "fool" tickle the tip of my tongue, it's time for me to take a chill pill. :oops:
 

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While that's true... I always like to tell folks they should repent just to throw that out there.

I was on another board a while back talking about how OSAS doctrine is total garbage and a guy was arguing that it wasn't and then he admitted he was getting drunk on the booze sometimes and was "trying" to quit

And eventually he admitted the OSAS was not going to work and he needed to quit drinking the booze so after pages of going back and forth arguing about it all... some good came out of it.

So, you never know... occasionally someone will see that God's Word is true when someone confronts them with some scripture that don't normally here in the circles they run on.
A Born Again is saved for all of eternity.

They have been birthed in the Spirit....

God’s word says....you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

Not OSAS...therefore a Born Again can never lose their salvation.

Show us in God’s word, where it says a Born Again....repeat...” Born Again can lose their salvation or be Un - Birthed in the Spirit?

The verses you post are not talking to a “ Born Again “ therefore that is why your words are void and some members don’t agree with you.

Why, because it’s you talking and NOT the Holy Spirit.

One need to be birthed in the Spirit, to be led through scripture...why is that?

OSAS...where does it say that in God’s word?


It says you must be Born Again?...which means what exactly and please explain what that means?

Nowhere in scripture does it say a Born Again can lose their salvation....

The verses you post has got absolutely NOTHING to do with a Born Again losing their salvation.

If a Born Again can lose their salvation...God’s word would say so...IT Doesn’t.

OSAS isn’t biblical....and when we use it...we mean it from Born Again...

Therefore I have now stopped using it....i say Born Again...as that is the proper name.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

..OSAS...isn’t BIBLICAL??

Discuss Born Again as that is God’s Living word?..thanks.
 
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Correct.
Truth, Comfort, Peace Having His Spirit IN a man.
The guy is discussing OSAS...it’s not biblical.

He should be discussing imo/ belief....Born Again...my question is, why does he keep dismissing Born Again...and keeps posting about OSAS?

He never wants to discuss being Born Again?
 

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A Born Again is saved for all of eternity.

They have been birthed in the Spirit....

God’s word says....you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

Not OSAS...therefore a Born Again can never lose their salvation.

Show us in God’s word, where it says a Born Again....repeat...” Born Again can lose their salvation or be Un - Birthed in the Spirit?

The verses you post are not talking to a “ Born Again “ therefore that is why your words are void and some members don’t agree with you.

Why, because it’s you talking and NOT the Holy Spirit.

One need to be birthed in the Spirit, to be led through scripture...why is that?

OSAS...where does it say that in God’s word?


It says you must be Born Again?...which means what exactly and please explain what that means?

Nowhere in scripture does it say a Born Again can lose their salvation....

The verses you post has got absolutely NOTHING to do with a Born Again losing their salvation.

If a Born Again can lose their salvation...God’s word would say so...IT Doesn’t.

OSAS isn’t biblical....and when we use it...we mean it from Born Again...

Therefore I have now stopped using it....i say Born Again...as that is the proper name.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

..OSAS...isn’t BIBLICAL??

Discuss Born Again as that is God’s Living word?..thanks.
Once … is Biblical
Saved … is Biblical
Always … is Biblical
Shall be Saved … is Biblical
Shalt be Saved … is Biblical
Are Saved … is Biblical
According to Gods WAY … is Biblical
God WITH a man Temporarily … is Biblical
God WITH a man Forever … is Biblical
Sin AGAINST God … is Biblical
Forgiveness FROM God … is Biblical
Repeated Forgiveness From God … is Biblical
Once and Forever Forgiveness From God …
Is Biblical

Belief … of a man is Biblical
Faith … of a man is Biblical
Falling From Belief … is Biblical
Falling From Faith … is Biblical
Born Again OF Gods SEED .. is Biblical
Born Again IN Gods Spirit … is Biblical
Born Again of / with a new spirit … is Biblical
A mans LIVING Sacrifice … is Biblical
Crucified WITH Christ … is Biblical
A mans END is Bodily DEATH … is Biblical
Temporarily WITH God … is Biblical
Temporarily WITHOUT God … is Biblical
For Ever WITH God … is Biblical
For Ever WITHOUT God … is Biblical
Gods OFFERING ONCE … is Biblical


Mans Acceptance of Gods OFFERING ONCE …. ACCORDING TO GODS WAY
….is Biblical…is Always and Forever.

A man LOSING his (PAID, and OFFERED unto to him ) SALVATION…
IS a man WHO NEVER Accepts and Takes Gods OFFERING “OF” Salvation … is Biblical

OSAS
, is simply an ACRONYM that reflects Biblical Teaching OF a man WHO HAS Accepted Gods OFFERING… ACCORDING TO Gods WAY.

* No DOUBT, men ATTEMPT to ACCEPT Gods OFFERING, according to a man’s WAY, of LOGIC of their MINDS thoughts.
* No DOUBT, men WHO ATTEMPT to ACCEPT Gods OFFERING with their WAY of Logical MINDS thoughts…
CAN ACCEPT TEMPTATIONS of STRONGER POWERS of (Demons and Ruling Powers)…
TO thereafter ALSO by their LOGIC MINDS Thoughts, REJECT Gods Offering.


God never ACCEPTS a MANS MINDS thoughts OF BELIEF or CONFESSION of BELIEF…. in other words….
NOT GODS WAY to RECEIVE Gods OFFERING and GIFT of SALVATION.


WHY? Men are told WHY… IN Scripture.

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Men DO NOT ALL choose the SAME WAY.
Few men CHOOSE Gods WAY, and ONCE A man CHOOSES Gods WAY….that man Chooses it ONCE … Confesses his Choice TO the Lord God ONCE
AND the Lord God MAKES ONCE (According to His WAY, By, Through, Of, HIS POWER) that man SAVED, SEALED and KEPT unto God ONCE, Forever and Always.

That man has FREELY chosen by his own WILL (to Give his LIFE unto God), according to Gods WAY, ONCE and Forever and Always….that man BECOMES…
Gods Inheritance!


And God Takes, Receives, Seals, Keeps ONLY that which IS His inheritance.

Yes, OSAS, is Biblical, according to Gods WAY!

Glory to God,
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The guy is discussing OSAS...it’s not biblical.

He should be discussing imo/ belief....Born Again...my question is, why does he keep dismissing Born Again...and keeps posting about OSAS?

He never wants to discuss being Born Again?
Likely BECAUSE he does not KNOW or FOCUS ON GODS “WAY”.

Rather he talks of Logic, uses Biblical quotes pertaining to men, that also did not KNOW or COMPREHEND or Heartfully COMMIT to Gods “WAY”.

Mindfully, Logically, Spiritually men can comprehend God SAVES men (their Natural Lives, From earthquakes, From diseases, From infirmities, From disasters, etc.)….
Which is WHOLLY different than SAVING a mans SOUL or QUICKENING a man SPIRIT.

All men are naturally born of A natural manKINDS natural seed.
A mans WHOSE spirit is BORN AGAIN, is a man WHO has Received the SEED of God.

Really? The ALL-Knowing God IS FOOLED?? Gives His SEED to a LIVING man, WHO today says…ya sure, I believe in God…and that same man tomorrow is MINDFULLY, LOGICALLY convinced to NOT Believe? PFFF No.

Really? The ALL-Knowing God IS FOOLED??
Restores (SAVES) a LIVING mans SOUL, WHO today says…ya sure I believe in God…and that same man tomorrow Is MINDFULLY, LOGICALLY convinced to NOT Believe? PFFF
No.

Men ROUTINELY, MINDFULLY BELIEVE, then CHANGE THEIR MINDS, and reject Belief.

WHILE, they Are BELIEVING…is God WITH them? Yes.
Does the HOLY Spirit of God…Bless them WITH measures of His Gift of FAITH? Yes

IS GODS SPIRIT “IN” such man? No
IS such mans SOUL saved? No
IS Gods SEED “IN” such man? No
IS such man’s SPIRIT quickened (born again)? No
CAN such a man, having been BLESSED with Measures of FAITH….FALL AWAY from FAITH? Yes

Men do not BECOME SAVED, BECOME QUICKENED…then FALL AWAY FROM Salvation…or FALL AWAY FROM being BORN AGAIN….

Believing (but not CONVERTED) men ARE Kept in Belief, by their OWN Power..and can fall away, BY the influence of stronger powers.

Saved men, quickened men, ARE KEPT by the POWER of God….FOREVER!

Gory to God,
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Believing (but not CONVERTED) men ARE Kept in Belief, by their OWN Power..and can fall away, BY the influence of stronger powers.

Maybe so...
Saved men, quickened men, ARE KEPT by the POWER of God….FOREVER
Amen!!...Born Again are saved from eternal damnation...they must be supernaturally birthed in the spirit....for some reason he never wants to address what that means..

Therefore he has no foundation on the word of God..as our foundation starts as soon as we have been birthed in the Spirit..just his own words..imo/ belief.

We start that walk of faith as soon as we become Born Again.....faith can only come from God....not man....it’s a God given gift...
 
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Is once saved, always saved biblical?​

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ANSWER

Once a person is saved are they always saved? Yes, when people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. To be clear, salvation is more than saying a prayer or “making a decision” for Christ; salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26). The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26–27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure:

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(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
 

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That’s your understanding of the scriptures, I don’t see it.

You have added
Added what? Highlight, copy, send to me.
to what you believe God is saying, we’ve all done it...therefore doesn’t count, it’s all down for interpretation, that’s where all the disagreements are...

God’s Living word says you must be “ Born Again “
Did I say otherwise? No.
Do you know QUICKENED, IS the ACT of the Lord God causing a man to BE Born Again?
to see the Kingdom of God..that can only be done through the Spirit....once you are Born Again then you are saved from eternal damnation.
Did I say otherwise?
We don’t accept being birthed in the Spirit....?
He Offers…If you do not ACCEPT His Offering…..Does He FORCE you to TAKE His Offering? No.
A man Accepts His OFFERING by taking it.
A man Rejects HIS OFFERING by NOT taking it.

Same with any Offering…
A bank can OFFER you a Loan…IF you take it, you have Accepted the Offering.
A person can OFFER the Church money, to mow the lawn, to clean the sanctuary, to dress the altar with flowers….the Church can Accept or Reject the Offer.

The Lord offered His BODY, for the Life of the world…Men can accept or reject that offering.
The Lord offered His BLOOD, for the forgiveness of sins of man…men can accept or reject that offering.
Why....because he birthed us in the Spirit...that’s why.
Not until you ACCEPT His Offering.

And NO...I did NOT Choose God to birth me in the Spirit....

Really? He forced you to be Born Again, without your own Choosing or Consent?

That’s ODD…because scripture teaches for you to Hear, Learn about God, THEN CHOOSE…to BELIEVE or NOT…and thereafter…CHOOSE to COMMIT to Him or NOT….

Men do not HAVE a CHOICE to be “naturally born of a mans Seed….However a man becoming BORN OF GODS SEED…is EXPRESSLY by the mans CHOOSING to ACCEPT Gods OFFERING….ACCORDING TO….His WAY….His terms…
just as if you ACCEPT a banks OFFER, a bank LOAN…it is according to THEIR TERMS…their Way…of when and how you will repay your debt.

once he birthed me , I am his, therefore have nowhere to go....
That’s true, and I said nothing otherwise.
therefore the Holy Spirit keeps me and guides me into all of God’s ways...
That’s true, and I said nothing otherwise.
It’s called the sanctification process.
Well aware.
Once saved always saved is not in the Bible...
The words….Once…Saved…Always…ARE expressly words in the Bible.

The Acronym OSAS…is a mans summing up of a Scriptural Teaching…of ONCE a man IS SAVED…he IS SAVED Forever, (Always)….

And DIdn’t you just say….??

“once he birthed me , I am his”
AND
“the Holy Spirit keeps me”

ARE those exact words in SCRIPTURE?
No, yet it EXPRESSES the EXACT SAME THING…which OSAS expresses.
Once saved by, through, of God, Always and Forever Kept saved, by, through, of and Unto God ONLY.


therefore NOT God’s Living word.
You didn’t quote Gods Word…

Men can SPEAK in their own words, to reveal their AGREEMENT in, their ACCEPTANCE of, their COMMITMENT to Gods Word.
And as long as their own word IS in AGREEMENT with Gods word, it is sufficient!

OSAS, IS in Agreement with Gods Word…that ONCE a man IS SAVED, it IS Forever.
Same thing you, in your own words, just said.

And IF you did not CHOOSE Him, CHOOSE to ACCEPT His OFFERING…..
WHO exactly made that CHOICE FOR YOU?
 
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Is once saved, always saved biblical?​

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Once a person is saved are they always saved? Yes,
OSAS in a nutshell.

when people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure.
You are describing…Gods WAY.
I made clear, a person RECEIVING Gods Offering,,,IS According to Gods WAY.
And ONCE His OFFERING IS RECEIVED…
It IS given by God and Received unto that man Forever.
 

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Is once saved, always saved biblical?​

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Once a person is saved are they always saved? Yes, when people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. To be clear, salvation is more than saying a prayer or “making a decision” for Christ; salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26). The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26–27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure:

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(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
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Did I say otherwise? No.
Do you know QUICKENED, IS the ACT of the Lord God causing a man to BE Born Again?

I know exactly what being birthed in the Spirit means...it’s a supernatural birth, that only God can do , through the Holy Spirit.
Did I say otherwise?

He Offers…If you do not ACCEPT His Offering…..Does He FORCE you to TAKE His Offering? No.
A man Accepts His OFFERING by taking it.
A man Rejects HIS OFFERING by NOT taking it.

No, he didn’t offer me anything, he birthed me in the Spirit ...no idea how anyone can choose for themselves to be “ birthed in the Spirit “?
Same with any Offering…
A bank can OFFER you a Loan…IF you take it, you have Accepted the Offering.
A person can OFFER the Church money, to mow the lawn, to clean the sanctuary, to dress the altar with flowers….the Church can Accept or Reject the Offer.

The Lord offered His BODY, for the Life of the world…Men can accept or reject that offering.
The Lord offered His BLOOD, for the forgiveness of sins of man…men can accept or reject that offering.

Not until you ACCEPT His Offering.

No, I don’t agree, that we accept his offering, we do not say to God.

Yes Lord, I accept your offer of birthing me in the Spirit...how would you accept the living spiritual birth...you can’t, it’s a gift from God.
Really? He forced you to be Born Again, without your own Choosing or Consent?

That is your own human understanding of how I was birthed, the same as I can’t understand how “ YOU” chose to be birthed in the Spirit....you birthed yourself did you?
That’s ODD…because scripture teaches for you to Hear, Learn about God, THEN CHOOSE…to BELIEVE or NOT…and thereafter…CHOOSE to COMMIT to Him or NOT….

God’s word teaches, we are drawn to Jesus by God, he brings us to a place of believing in His Son...of course there is the repenting/ Godly sorrow, that God also brings us to...


Men do not HAVE a CHOICE to be “naturally born of a mans Seed….However a man becoming BORN OF GODS SEED…is EXPRESSLY by the mans CHOOSING to ACCEPT Gods OFFERING….ACCORDING TO….His WAY….His terms…

According to his way, I don’t doubt that...nowhere in scripture does it say you choose to be born again..

If so, show me where it says I chose and accepted to be Born Again?

It doesn’t......Spirit gives birth to spirit....it happens just as God planned it all to happen.

We do not choose God, he chooses us, 100%.
just as if you ACCEPT a banks OFFER, a bank LOAN…it is according to THEIR TERMS…their Way…of when and how you will repay your debt.


That’s true, and I said nothing otherwise.

That’s true, and I said nothing otherwise.

Well aware.

The words….Once…Saved…Always…ARE expressly words in the Bible.

The Acronym OSAS…is a mans summing up of a Scriptural Teaching…of ONCE a man IS SAVED…he IS SAVED Forever, (Always)….

And DIdn’t you just say….??

“once he birthed me , I am his”
AND
“the Holy Spirit keeps me”

ARE those exact words in SCRIPTURE?
No, yet it EXPRESSES the EXACT SAME THING…which OSAS expresses.
Once saved by, through, of God, Always and Forever Kept saved, by, through, of and Unto God ONLY.



You didn’t quote Gods Word…

Men can SPEAK in their own words, to reveal their AGREEMENT in, their ACCEPTANCE of, their COMMITMENT to Gods Word.
And as long as their own word IS in AGREEMENT with Gods word, it is sufficient!

OSAS, IS in Agreement with Gods Word…that ONCE a man IS SAVED, it IS Forever.
Same thing you, in your own words, just said.

And IF you did not CHOOSE Him, CHOOSE to ACCEPT His OFFERING…..
WHO exactly made that CHOICE FOR YOU?
I chose to believe in Jesus just as God had planned for me to do....I did NOT choose to be birthed in the Spirit.

How did you choose to accept God to birth you in the Spirit?

You cannot choose to birth yourself into Christ.

That is God’s choice to do that, not yours..".you can choose to believe as I did..even then God drew me to that place.....then if it’s his will, he will birth you in the Spirit.....you do not choose to be birthed by God’s Spirit...nowhere in scripture is that said ANYWHERE......it’s a gift from God...a precious gift at that.

It’s the Holy Spirit who gives us the Spiritual birth...once we believe in Jesus....if he so chooses to that is...

John 3:3​

King James Version​

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 
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John 3:6
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New International Version
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

New Living Translation
Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

English Standard Version
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Berean Standard Bible
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit.

King James Bible
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

New King James Version
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

New American Standard Bible
That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.

NASB 1995
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

NASB 1977
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Ephesians 1:11
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In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

New Living Translation
Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan.
 
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And IF you did not CHOOSE Him, CHOOSE to ACCEPT His OFFERING…..
WHO exactly made that CHOICE FOR YO
He chose me..which I’ve already posted scripture.

God drew me to Jesus and he also drew “ ME” to believe in Jesus, there is NO birth, without believing in Jesus first,,,then this happened.

John 3:8​


“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

How did you choose to be birthed in the Spirit....it’s NOT Biblical?

Biblical support please, not your words.?

It’s the Holy Spirit who testifies with our spirit that we are his child..as he’s indwelling us...

You must be Born Again, then you are saved, not until.




Romans 8:16​

King James Version​

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Now, you tell me how you accepted that,?
 
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@Ritajanice ~ you in the UK, I’m in the US… time differences…but would like to continue discussion with you when time permits.

God Bless,
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Mans Acceptance of Gods OFFERING ONCE …. ACCORDING TO GODS WAY
….is Biblical…is Always and Forever.

Unless.... they turn away from God and go back to sin.

In acts 8, Peter's assistant (Simon) committed a sin.... and Peter told him to turn away from his sin and ask the Lord to forgive him for his iniquity.

Notice Peter.... under the leading of the Holy Spirit... did NOT tell him it was all good and his sin had already been forgiven with no need to turn away from it or ask for forgiveness which we hear being taught in almost every church these days.

Acts 8:17-23
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for
thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.


This is another example that once save always saved is false doctrine...
 

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Unless.... they turn away from God and go back to sin.
You have been told, shown, exampled, explained….and STILL you don’t get it…

Have you NEVER HEARD…”IN” Christ?
Have you NEVER HEARD…”Christ IN you”?
Do you KNOW the differences between…
“IN, ON, WITH, WITHIN, WITHOUT” ?
Because they ALL have Different meanings.

Christ, the Spirit of God,
CAN BE…IN, ON, WITH, WITHIN, WITHOUT a man.

THE ONLY words there that APPLIES to a CONVERTED man……IS: “ IN and WITHIN”…..
*** which expressly means that man IS “IN” Christ Jesus.
*** And expressly means Jesus (the Word of God) AND Christ (the POWER of God) IS “WITHIN” that man.

By what YOU SAY, you seem to THINK a man who has the POWER of God “WITHIN” him…somehow has Greater POWER than God…that that man Cause Gods SPIRIT TO LEAVE from WITHIN that man…
Really? Men have greater power than God?
Or
Really? Gods Power WITHIN a man BREAK His Word, and Leave that man?

No and No.

In acts 8, Peter's assistant (Simon) committed a sin.... and Peter told him to turn away from his sin and ask the Lord to forgive him for his iniquity.
That is NOT in Acts 8.
Act 8 is about a Sorcerer NAMED SIMON, which SIMON was familiar with the people in Samaria, having had Preached Sorceries to them…and they believed Simon…UNTIL Philip arrived in Samaria and began Preaching Gods Word and the Samaritans began rejecting what SIMON had preached, and began Believing Philip.
The Other apostles in Jerusalem heard what was happening in Samaria, and sent Peter and John to Samaria.
Peter and John Prayed for them testifying they Believed…
They whom Peter and John Prayed for and laid hand on RECEIVED the BAPtISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THAT SIMON? THAT SIMON was NOT any apostle’s “assistant”. THAT SIMON wanted to PURCHASE, of, by, through PETER the POWER to “lay hands on people, so they would receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit”.

Peter expressly told SIMON…that is not Gods WAY, and to think that was SINFUL, and then Peter expressly told SIMON, he was NOT of that “lot”…. Which was to say, SIMON was Neither an Apostle, given an Apostles task…nor among the Believing Samaritan’s Heartfully committing their BELIEF and LIFE unto God.

Was Philip BAPTIZING men IN Water…IN Samaria…No.

Was SIMON BAPTIZED IN Water, IN the Holy Spirit? Scripture says NO such thing…

Did Phillip, Peter or John lay hands on that SIMON? Scripture says NO such thing…

So why are you claiming that SIMON “WAS” Baptized?

Notice Peter.... under the leading of the Holy Spirit... did NOT tell him it was all good and his sin had already been forgiven with no need to turn away from it or ask for forgiveness which we hear being taught in almost every church these days.

Acts 8:17-23
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for
thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.


This is another example that once save always saved is false doctrine...
Your example IS NOT about a man WHO Received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

That is an express Example of a man utterly NOT KNOWING WHEN or WHY a man IS Baptized with the Holy Spirit…

That man SIMON…wanted the POWER to Baptize men WITH the HOLY SPIRIT….

LOL….ONLY Gods BAPTIZES men WITH the Holy Spirit. The Apostles were merely Servants of Christ Jesus to teach BELIEVING men HOW they could become Baptized WITH the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit BE WITHIN them and they IN His Holy Spirit.

No…Scripture does NOT say that SIMON was Baptized with the Holy Spirit, as you say.

Your example is a fail.
 

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You have been told, shown, exampled, explained….and STILL you don’t get it…

Have you NEVER HEARD…”IN” Christ?
Have you NEVER HEARD…”Christ IN you”?
Do you KNOW the differences between…
“IN, ON, WITH, WITHIN, WITHOUT” ?
Because they ALL have Different meanings.

Christ, the Spirit of God,
CAN BE…IN, ON, WITH, WITHIN, WITHOUT a man.

THE ONLY words there that APPLIES to a CONVERTED man……IS: “ IN and WITHIN”…..
*** which expressly means that man IS “IN” Christ Jesus.
*** And expressly means Jesus (the Word of God) AND Christ (the POWER of God) IS “WITHIN” that man.

By what YOU SAY, you seem to THINK a man who has the POWER of God “WITHIN” him…somehow has Greater POWER than God…that that man Cause Gods SPIRIT TO LEAVE from WITHIN that man…
Really? Men have greater power than God?
Or
Really? Gods Power WITHIN a man BREAK His Word, and Leave that man?

No and No.


That is NOT in Acts 8.
Act 8 is about a Sorcerer NAMED SIMON, which SIMON was familiar with the people in Samaria, having had Preached Sorceries to them…and they believed Simon…UNTIL Philip arrived in Samaria and began Preaching Gods Word and the Samaritans began rejecting what SIMON had preached, and began Believing Philip.
The Other apostles in Jerusalem heard what was happening in Samaria, and sent Peter and John to Samaria.
Peter and John Prayed for them testifying they Believed…
They whom Peter and John Prayed for and laid hand on RECEIVED the BAPtISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THAT SIMON? THAT SIMON was NOT any apostle’s “assistant”. THAT SIMON wanted to PURCHASE, of, by, through PETER the POWER to “lay hands on people, so they would receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit”.

Peter expressly told SIMON…that is not Gods WAY, and to think that was SINFUL, and then Peter expressly told SIMON, he was NOT of that “lot”…. Which was to say, SIMON was Neither an Apostle, given an Apostles task…nor among the Believing Samaritan’s Heartfully committing their BELIEF and LIFE unto God.

Was Philip BAPTIZING men IN Water…IN Samaria…No.

Was SIMON BAPTIZED IN Water, IN the Holy Spirit? Scripture says NO such thing…

Did Phillip, Peter or John lay hands on that SIMON? Scripture says NO such thing…

So why are you claiming that SIMON “WAS” Baptized?


Your example IS NOT about a man WHO Received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

That is an express Example of a man utterly NOT KNOWING WHEN or WHY a man IS Baptized with the Holy Spirit…

That man SIMON…wanted the POWER to Baptize men WITH the HOLY SPIRIT….

LOL….ONLY Gods BAPTIZES men WITH the Holy Spirit. The Apostles were merely Servants of Christ Jesus to teach BELIEVING men HOW they could become Baptized WITH the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit BE WITHIN them and they IN His Holy Spirit.

No…Scripture does NOT say that SIMON was Baptized with the Holy Spirit, as you say.

Your example is a fail.
See your view of "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit." is not in context with scripture for one Simon received the indwelling spirit when he was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ he has the spirit of God dwelling in him now it does not happen in the manner you are describing and Acts 19:1-6 makes it know if we take the bible for its word. Lets look at it with eyes for learning.

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Pay close attention to the conversation in verse 2-4 Paul makes it clear how the indwelling spirit is given unless Paul doesn't know what he is talking about. The Spirit is given through the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ . Paul clears that up for you right here in plain text easy to read. He who has ears to hear let him hear what the scriptures say.

Now while we are hear in verse 6 is what you call the baptism in the holy ghost but notice the sequence first Paul baptizes them with the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and giving them the indwelling spirit same as acts 2:38 explained in Romans 6 they are all the one and the same then he lays hand on them not to give them the spirit for that should have in your belief happened supernaturally without the Apostles. but to give them the power to confirm the word to grow the church that Pjhilip just planted.
 
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