One thing I strongly oppose Trump on
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You are capable of using Google (or other search engine)the same as anyone else.
Look to see how much we spend each year on our nuclear inventory....
Then look at Russia's military budget every year for the past ten years. It's not rocket science....
The math won't math for you either.
Oh I did and found this link , did you read it ?
Russian nuclear weapons, 2024
Russia is modernizing all its Soviet-era nuclear-capable systems. We estimate that Russia now possesses about 4,380 nuclear warheads.
thebulletin.org
When I searched I found that no articles proclaiming zero working nukes . The articles I saw said maybe they don't work .
I find your trust in honesty from the military perplexing . Cooking the books , it happens .
Elon is discovering that .
Still doesn't mitigate that it appears Trump is going to reward the dictator Putin for invading Ukraine.
So deciding Ukraines fate without Ukraine present is ok? sorry I cannot buy that.
Trump is already talking about Ukraine giving Russia land they stole and allowing Putin to interfere in Ukraines politics. Do you think we would allow that for our nation?
If he does- we are in serious trouble with God. there can be no land for peace deal that God will approve of!
Well as Russia is teetering on fiscal and military collapse, let them fall if trhey will not retreat back to the pre-2014 boundaries.
Donbas, Donetsk, Crimea are all part of the sovereign nation of Ukraine!
All confiscated Russian monies should go to rebuilding the towns destroyed by the Russian invasion.
We did not reward Germany nor Japan after ww2 We should not be rewarding Putin for his illegal invasion and theft of land here.
Isnt Zelensky a U.S installed puppet in Ukraine though?
For example
In a leaked phone call with US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, Nuland discussed the composition of a post-Yanukovych government, showing that the US was actively involved in planning the political transition in Ukraine.
Nuland's role in Ukraine's political transition has been a subject of controversy, with some accusing her of playing a significant part in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Viktor Yanukovych.
As the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, she supported the pro-Western protesters during the Euromaidan protests and was involved in discussions about potential leadership options for Ukraine post-Yanukovych. Her support for the Maidan protesters and her involvement in U.S. policy towards Ukraine have been cited as evidence of U.S. involvement in Ukrainian politics, though some argue her role was more supportive than directive.
USAID's support was instrumental during the EuroMaidan Revolution in 2014
During the Maidan Uprising, Nuland made appearances supporting the Maidan protesters and stated in a speech to the US–Ukraine Foundation that the U.S. had invested over $5 billion on democratic skills and institutions, civic participation, and good governance in Ukraine since 1991. The Russian government seized on this statement, claiming it was evidence the U.S. was orchestrating a color revolution.
Soros also admitted to financing the 2013-2014 Maidan Square protests that brought the current government into power.
USAID which is taxpayer money and Soros in this thing also here
USAID has been accused of funneling funds to entities connected with Soros’ Open Society Foundations, which are known for advocating for radical and regime changes globally.
truthpress.com
For example
Victoria Nuland's Role in Ukraine
Victoria Nuland, a former United States Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, was involved in discussions about installing a new government in Ukraine during the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution.In a leaked phone call with US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, Nuland discussed the composition of a post-Yanukovych government, showing that the US was actively involved in planning the political transition in Ukraine.
Nuland's role in Ukraine's political transition has been a subject of controversy, with some accusing her of playing a significant part in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Viktor Yanukovych.
As the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, she supported the pro-Western protesters during the Euromaidan protests and was involved in discussions about potential leadership options for Ukraine post-Yanukovych. Her support for the Maidan protesters and her involvement in U.S. policy towards Ukraine have been cited as evidence of U.S. involvement in Ukrainian politics, though some argue her role was more supportive than directive.
USAID's support was instrumental during the EuroMaidan Revolution in 2014
During the Maidan Uprising, Nuland made appearances supporting the Maidan protesters and stated in a speech to the US–Ukraine Foundation that the U.S. had invested over $5 billion on democratic skills and institutions, civic participation, and good governance in Ukraine since 1991. The Russian government seized on this statement, claiming it was evidence the U.S. was orchestrating a color revolution.
Soros also admitted to financing the 2013-2014 Maidan Square protests that brought the current government into power.
USAID which is taxpayer money and Soros in this thing also here
USAID has been accused of funneling funds to entities connected with Soros’ Open Society Foundations, which are known for advocating for radical and regime changes globally.
USAID Accused of Funneling $260M to Organizations Linked to George Soros | Truth Press
Billionaire philanthropist George Soros, through his network of organizations, received a staggering $260 million from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). USAID has been accused of funneling funds to entities connected with Soros’ Open Society Foundations, which are known for...
truthpress.com
Wrangler
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Achieving justice is a reward now? This is sophomoric. Russia has sacrificed a lot to defend itself from NATO incursion.
Wrangler
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Wrangler
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Again, sophomoric. It's legal as far as Russia is concerned. Ukraine lost the war that it could never win. Losing land, people and treasure is a common result of war, which again, is beyond legality.
I suppose that is scriptural
Luke 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
Taken
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Trump has also had talks with Zelensky without Putin present.
Trumps methods are not alarming to me.
If any World Nation is doling out BILLIONS of dollars to the US Govt. For a war, effort, Be assured that other Nation would at any time instigate A Conference with the US Govt.
Yes I am okay with Trump, from “ALL angles” making top priority WHY Americans are struggling in Debt and Inflation because of Being forced into being the Worlds Caretakers. (That includes the Billions of US dollars provided to Ukraine).
Genesis 15:18
18 On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates--
Why wouldnt it be considered that though? Even though undeclared, for example
Russia has repeatedly warned against NATO involvement in Ukraine, defining it as a red line that should not be crossed. On December 2021, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that NATO military infrastructure not being deployed in Ukraine was a red line, and any breach could lead to significant consequences.
Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022, marking a significant escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War which had begun in 2014.
The red line concerning NATO was further emphasized in September 2023 when Russia warned against the deployment of US ATACMS long-range missiles to Ukraine, stating that such an action would cross a red line. On October 17, 2023, this red line was crossed when the US delivered these missiles to Ukraine, leading to a comment from Putin that these deliveries were "another mistake"
The Biden administration had previously refused to provide ATACMS to Ukraine, but had decided "in recent weeks" to send them quietly, US media outlet CNN reported, quoting two USofficials. (BBC) see AP news also as reported in November 17, 2024
Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US-supplied longer range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia
The move eases limitations on the weapons as Russia deploys thousands of North Korean troops to reinforce its war.
apnews.com
Like if I am being handed a big bat to beat you up, isnt the one arming me against you against you as well?
Wrangler
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Wrangler
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@Ronald David Bruno is talking AS IF Russia attacked Pearl Harbor when they are the ones wronged by NATO, which is our proxy in the wrong.
Thank God for Trump for blessed is the peace maker. Ukraine was supported by NATO and clearly no longer has that support via Trump’s policy of acting per what is in America’s interest.
Ronald David Bruno
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Russia was certainly the aggressor. Ukraine's land contains rich minerals, farmland. "A quarter of the world's most fertile soil, known as Chernozem, is located in Ukraine."
Who knows what kind of deals were made and broken , demands or requests? Maybe Zelenski was more at fault then we know. Maybe he gave Putin the bird and called him an A-hole? We don't know what led to this exactly, especially if OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT was involved, making deals with Ukraine. Certainly the media would deflect any rumors, label them misinformation.
Putin's accusation that Ukraine had dangerous USA funded biolabs would be a reason to attack.
As someone pointed out, all countries are corrupt. I also heard Zelenski was antisemitic?
Burisma was one of the largest Natural Gas producers - maybe that was a threat to Putun? I don't know. Follow the money (or oil).
Thank God for Trump. He knows more than we do and what does he say, Ukraine is responsible for that war. ???
Trump is not craving in to Putins demands at all ! who peddled such total nonsense.
Ukraine should of let the People have the rights to be able to Vote in the area's in the East of Ukrain in fact, but the Dictator Puppet Zelensky would not respect the rights of the Perople in the East Ukrain and it was the Socialist Joe Biden who was in bed with this Mob of Socialist ! that gave the go ahead for War in Ukrtaine in fact, for if Biden did not give the backing, it never would of became such a stupid idiot War in fact, not to mention all of the problems that this idiot fool War has cause to people all over the world in fact ! who arer paying for this idiot War in fact, you pay for it all in your fuel and everything they you by, be it food etc ! We all have been paying for it all in fact !
what about the Killing of people in all this ! Such goes no where in fact ! seriously no one gives a rats arse about the people who have been killed or homes destroyed etc ! Nothing ! That's the Whorer MSM for ya !
One's rights to Vote on the Issue was undermined in fact !
For if them people had the right to vote on their home Lands, no one would of got killed and they would all be happy in their own homes in fact !
So who brought on the War ?
Who forcer Putins hand, so as to enter into this War ! Socialist, it's all a Socialist War Games in fact, for their ends in fact ! They Hate that Putin is a Christian in fact and that Russia will power up in the future, just as China and India are on the Path to glory and the whole West has been on the Path to hellfire for years because of the Socialist Games undermining everyone and everything in fact !
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