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Eternally Grateful

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That is a reality in life, not in eternity!

We only have a down payment because of Heb. 3:14 and several other verses like it!

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

It can't get any plainer than this! If you don't hold on to your faith in Christ until your last breath, you're not going to make it!


Again you need to study the banking system, and what a pledge means, the pledge is in effect until ressurection day, there are no prerequisites in any of the three passages paul wrote about this pledge

Either way, if your right. then our salvation is based on our ability and our power and not Gods

your faith is in yourself not God,

stop denying it
 

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I just learned a few days ago what he has overcome in his religious background.

I have a change of heart in my way toward him now.

Instead of pounding him every time I see error, I am encouraging him to continue in the truth!

You can view my last few posts to see where I stand on osas.

This is one of the many areas @justbyfaith and I agree!

Ok Fair enough, I feel bad for him as well, I tried to get his attention But I don't wanna be mean either, its a fine line I will try leave it there

I know where you stand :) but I wanted to know your answer to Do you think It is the Holy spirit talked about in John 14:16 Its fine if you don't want to answer obviously but I would like to hear your answer
 
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Again you need to study the banking system, and what a pledge means, the pledge is in effect until ressurection day, there are no prerequisites in any of the three passages paul wrote about this pledge

Either way, if your right. then our salvation is based on our ability and our power and not Gods

your faith is in yourself not God,

stop denying it

It's free will given to us by God! There must be faith for Him to hold true to His end of the bargain.

"For God so loved the world" right!

"that whosoever believes in Him" right!

If you can't see the condition of salvation, I just don't know what to say!
 

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It's what the Bible says. It's even what osas says! Osas gets it from these verses...
You know, I can be a patient person, it if you continue to try to tell me what I believe after nine er ous times of telling you this is not true and that true OSAS teaching does not teach this, I will put you on ignore
...we are His house, if we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope of which we boast. Hebrews 3:6

We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first. Hebrews 3:14

The difference between osas and anti-osas is osas says the true believer will always believe and can never stop believing. Anti-osas says it's your choice to continue to trust in the gospel or not. But the important thing is they both defend the undeniable and plain truth of scripture that a person must continue to believe in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. And that's the important thing that we are to be focused on and encouraging each other in.
The difference believe osas and anti osas is that osas teach a believer WOULD never stop believing, because God is faithful, and our faith is in God not our own ability

NOSAS teaches God is not faithful. So we can lose faith to an unfaithful God, thus we must rely on our own faith, of our own power (god has no power to change us)

if your going to attack my faith at least learn what it is. Because for days now, you have proven your u have utterly no idea what my faith teaches. Sadly that goes for a lot of people in this very chat, the proclaim knowledge, yet are seriously lacking-knowledge of my faith. Whether you make it up or it is made up by your church and you blindly follow what they say, it is in error. Please repent..
 

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They why would you deny eternal life and preach conditional life!
I don't deny it. I just understand eternal life the way the Bible teaches it. Getting and keeping the life that is eternal is conditional on your trust in the gospel. IOW, eternal life is not defined by you not being able to reject it but by the fact that it is a life that never ends, because the Sacrifice that opens up the privilege to have that life never ends. The important point being, you have to continually believe. That is not in dispute. Osas and anti-osas both agree on this.
 

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It's free will given to us by God! There must be faith for Him to hold true to His end of the bargain.

"For God so loved the world" right!

"that whosoever believes in Him" right!

If you can't see the condition of salvation, I just don't know what to say!
For by grace we have been saved THROUGH faith.

faith is not what saved it, it is Gods grace,

Faith is what gave us the assurance to say yes to Gods offer. And not continue in unbelief,

as John. Said, those who do not believe are condemned already. They did not go from a condemned state' to a state of not being condemned because they believed for a minute, the. Returned to a state of condemnation.

You need to learn what eternal. Already, never (as in never die) and pledge means, your twisting these words to mean something they never mean in any other context but religious Christianity. It’s sad that the Roman. Church has perverted the truth so much that even some of those who resisted her and left kept this legalistic mindset that we can somehow earn salvation by what we do. Rejecting the completion of what Christ did
 

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Ok Fair enough, I feel bad for him as well, I tried to get his attention But I don't wanna be mean either, its a fine line I will try leave it there

I know where you stand :) but I wanted to know your answer to Do you think It is the Holy spirit talked about in John 14:16 Its fine if you don't want to answer obviously but I would like to hear your answer

Comforter in the Greek is "Parakletos" which means "One called to the side of another to help.

"that He may abide with you forever," is there any doubt it's the Holy Spirit?
 

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It’s faith

faith in the Greek is to have assurance, to be assured, to ha e confidence

if you have no assurance in Christ, you have no faith,
Yes, and it is upon this confident assurance that the gospel is true that we then place our trust in that gospel and are saved. I think we're on the same page here. When Christ says it is believers who have eternal life he is talking about people who not only know the gospel is true but who have placed their trust in it too.
 

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For by grace we have been saved THROUGH faith.

faith is not what saved it, it is Gods grace,

Faith is what gave us the assurance to say yes to Gods offer. And not continue in unbelief,

as John. Said, those who do not believe are condemned already. They did not go from a condemned state' to a state of not being condemned because they believed for a minute, the. Returned to a state of condemnation.

You need to learn what eternal. Already, never (as in never die) and pledge means, your twisting these words to mean something they never mean in any other context but religious Christianity. It’s sad that the Roman. Church has perverted the truth so much that even some of those who resisted her and left kept this legalistic mindset that we can somehow earn salvation by what we do. Rejecting the completion of what Christ did

OK, believe whatever you like, no skin off my hide!
 
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I don't deny it. I just understand eternal life the way the Bible teaches it. Getting and keeping the life that is eternal is conditional on your trust in the gospel. IOW, eternal life is not defined by you not being able to reject it but by the fact that it is a life that never ends, because the Sacrifice that opens up the privilege to have that life never ends. The important point being, you have to continually believe. That is not in dispute. Osas and anti-osas both agree on this.
If you have to keep it, it’s not eternal

what part of that is so hard for you to grasp?

if we are told we have it, then it must be eternal, if it can be lost. It’s not eternal.
That’s reality.
Jesus said in John 6 we will never die. If for any reason, after we achieve this date, we can still die. Jesus lied.

we might as well all give up. If Jesus is a liar non of us have hope, we are all doomed,
 

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Comforter in the Greek is "Parakletos" which means "One called to the side of another to help.

"that He may abide with you forever," is there any doubt it's the Holy Spirit?

No but I was just checking with you before I moved on, so If God sends the holy spirit to live with someone forever Then they where able to lose there salvation, Would God Throw the Holly spirit into Hell
 
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Yes, and it is upon this confident assurance that the gospel is true that we then place our trust in that gospel and are saved. I think we're on the same page here. When Christ says it is believers who have eternal life he is talking about people who not only know the gospel is true but who have placed their trust in it too.
Yes,

and that’s not it, when we do this we not only get eternal life, we get ever spiritual blessing in Christ, we get the pledge of the spirit, we have been redeemed, purchased with a price, justified, sanctified, perfected in him, the power to become sons of God, adopted as dear children, given an abba father not a spirit of fear. Removed from the gates of hell and placed in the church or body of Christ, baptised into Christ, his body, his church his death and his burial, spiritually circumcised with the circumcision done by the nad of god, had everything that was against us, contrary to us and having those things nailed to the cross. No longer under the law or the curse of the law, but under Christ. Having the curse removed.

I have just begun to show what we are told we recieve the moment God adopts us into his family.

if any of these are removed, we have never had any of them

that is our hope, our faith is based on our hope. As paul said to be absent is to be present, all things on this earth is like a momentary light affliction. We have recieved the hope. We love because god first loved us, and this love is what empowers us to work, to remain faithful and to serve.

if we do not have eternal life and it could be lost. We have no hope
 

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No but I was just checking with you before I moved on, so If God sends the holy spirit to live with someone forever Then they where able to lose there salvation, Would God Throw the Holly spirit into Hell

Human reasoning will not cut it! God's ways are not our ways!

As I have said before a half dozen times, just as Ezekiel witnessed the Spirit leave the temple because of unbelief, so it is with the one who no longer believes.
 
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Again, here we have to part ways. I trust Jesus in Matthew 7:21; that REAL faith has action (not emotion based, like trust). Action is objective, saying you trust is subjective.
Yes real faith has action

action is not faith it is the result of faith

your trying to proclaim the result is the item itself,

that’s false,,
 

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Human reasoning will not cut it! God's ways are not our ways!

As I have said before a half dozen times, just as Ezekiel witnessed the Spirit leave the temple because of unbelief, so it is with the one who no longer believes.
One who no longer believes is an antichrist

john Said they were never of us,,

Trust John, not human reasoning,
 
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