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Charlie24

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You have not shown me once where person lost eternal life and the seal of the spirit, the adoption as sons, the justification of life, the righteousness of Christ.

Here's your proof, but you won't believe it, it's all a waste of time to show you this!!!

James 5:19-20

"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

"Brethren" James is speaking to his brothers in Christ.

"if any of you" any of the brothers in Christ.

"do err from the truth" no longer have the faith in Christ that saved them.

"he who converts the sinner" James is now saying this person has "erred from the truth" and is now a sinner.

"shall save a soul from death" if he is not converted, he will go to hell.

The bottom line is, if you don't hold on to the faith, you're not going to make it.
 

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And you ONLY have Him in your life as long as you cooperate with His grace .

If one is “ cooperating”—— why does that man need Grace.....Grace kicks in for Believers automatically when they are “ not” cooperating .....
Grace is “ unmerited favor”.......... if you are cooperating you “ merit” that favor.....
When ‘ I “ Sin ( which is much more often that I care to admit— how about you? ) those are the times I am like Paul—- “ I don’t hold back the Grace of God”.
God hates it when I Sin......but when he sees me approach his Throne Of Grace with my supreme confidence and Boldness , due to my Trust in his Mercy and Grace and the Cleansing Power Of The Blood Of His Son......I bet He is thrilled !
I may have to endure His Chastisement that is due me, here in my Earthly existence, but as far as Eternal ramifications are concerned.....those Sins are Forgotten, “ cast out as far as the East is from the West”..... “ Their Sins I will remember no more...”.....Now “ THAT’S Grace!......Grace sure ain’t fair, is it? Too bad......learn to live with it!
 
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It's plain as daylight in Heb. 6 and 10! But not even Jesus Himself could prove it to you!
Does not say what you think it does

yeah he could. But he proves to me he does not make mistakes, he is faithfull, and those he adopts he will never lose

see I trust in the power of God. You? I am not seeing it
 

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Thank you.
So are you Under Mosaic Law?

I heard a wise man say this—- “ Flirting with the Law Of Moses is cheating on the Grace of Jesus”
 

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And you ONLY have Him in your life as long as you cooperate with His grace .

If one is “ cooperating”—— why does that man need Grace.....Grace kicks in for Believers automatically when they are “ not” cooperating .....
Grace is “ unmerited favor”.......... if you are cooperating you “ merit” that favor.....
When ‘ I “ Sin ( which is much more often that I care to admit— how about you? ) those are the times I am like Paul—- “ I don’t hold back the Grace of God”.
God hates it when I Sin......but when he sees me approach his Throne Of Grace with my supreme confidence and Boldness , due to my Trust in his Mercy and Grace and the Cleansing Power Of The Blood Of His Son......I bet He is thrilled !
I may have to endure His Chastisement that is due me, here in my Earthly existence, but as far as Eternal ramifications are concerned.....those Sins are Forgotten, “ cast out as far as the East is from the West”..... “ Their Sins I will remember no more...”.....Now “ THAT’S Grace!......Grace sure ain’t fair, is it? Too bad......learn to live with it!

I agree! The backsliders sin is not going to forfeit his salvation, it's just as you say.

The verses I have been posting does not concern a backslider. These verses concern a loss of faith that forfeits salvation.

The backslider still believes but caught up in sin, not so with the verses I have been posting!
 

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Question..
Is your soul saved?
Did you make a confession of "Heartful" Belief IN God and Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God?

Were you Baptized by and of the Lords Spirit, Before or After Confessing with your heartful belief?



Do you Believe that Jesus is the Risen Lord? That is the essence of Romans 10:9......... Simply Believe “ that” and you are “ good to go”, as they say......
 

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Nope, none of them including Farley takes into consideration that one can stop believing.

But it really doesn't matter if you think of it.

You hold on to your faith as I know you will do, nothing to worry about!
Now let me tell you a story my dear friend .
I knew a man once who though He could say JESUS saves , WHICH WE KNOW IS TRUTH
The man lived in sin . partied , chased women , did many evil things .
His faith proved to be dead . This is why paul warned
the church and so did James . For JESUS had first said , Whoever does not my Saying , A hearer only as james would say ,
Built their foundation On something other than JESUS .
Here , lets let even pauls own writings sum up what is real faith .
IF any does not provide and specially for His own HE has denied the FAITH and is worse than an infidel .
You would be amazed at the many conversations i have had with folks .
Many were even gay and celebrated their gayness , YET claimed they loved JESUS .
I knew better . For if we love HIM we would not embrace darkness , we would embrace the LIGHT .
One conversation in particular , was when two women entered the place i used to work .
Both knew what i was . I was given an invitation to come visit their church and that GOD is love .
Key thing to know , both these women were married , and it was not to other men but rather to one another .
They told me about two churches they just loved , one of the churches i knew was false .
But even before they gave me the names of the churches , i knew them churches were false .
HOW so you might ask . WELL , HOW come they loved those churches so much . CAUSE those churches
were telling them GOD is love and that they were just fine . THAT is how i knew thems false churches .
Cause if we really love folks , IF our love is truly ON JESUS , why would we let folks perish like that .
Ponder that one my friend . I know you probably already know these things .
But i just felt compelled to say them anyway .
 
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Only the Pharisees. He had a lot of compassion and patience with his other opponents. See healing of Roman soldier whose ear was cut by his follower.
Wrangler,

This is a lot tougher of a topic to grasp fully. Jesus had a temper. He was hard on the Pharisees, Saducees and scribes for sure.he was also hard on his chosen 12 disciples as well. He was also kind to both groups at times. Yea... Even the scribes and Pharisees!

God is loving. He is a God of peace but also a man of war. Yes, I do have scripture on that! That's Jesus for you! He's forgiving, yet his name is vengeance. He calls his disciples rocks of faith and later tells them they need to be converted.

He even took the time to fashion a whip and beat the hell out of people who defiled HIS house or another verse says his Father's house. It was violent, but it was actually love.
 
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Wrangler,

This is a lot tougher of a topic to grasp fully. Jesus had a temper. He was hard on the Pharisees, Saducees and scribes for sure.he was also hard on his chosen 12 disciples as well. He was also kind to both groups at times. Yea... Even the scribes and Pharisees!

God is loving. He is a God of peace but also a man of war. Yes, I do have scripture on that! That's Jesus for you! He's forgiving, yet his name is vengeance. He calls his disciples rocks of faith and later tells them they need to be converted.

He even took the time to fashion a whip and beat the hell out of people who defiled HIS house or another verse says his Father's house. It was violent, but it was actually love.
Yes , JESUS sure did make a whip and trashed those tables and whipped at those men right outta the temple .
Saying it is written , My house shall be called a house of prayer , yet you have turned it into a den of thieves .
AND if JESUS did that while on earth ...
What do ye suppose HE will do when HE returns and the RCC and many others who have turned the gospel
into a another false all inclusive road . Rome has made very broad the path unto salvation .
Saying things such as all religoins are serving the same GOD . What a lie that is .
FOR if JESUS told even the Unbelieving jews they would die in their sins if they believed not that HE was the Christ
THEN what do ye suppose JESUS is gonna tell these popes and many of our own protestant leaders ON HIS DAY .
A hint . I NEVER KNEW YOU . FOR had one truly KNOWN HIM , they would have known
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY UNTO GOD but IN THE SON . Yeah . And they sure wouldnt be calling
good evil and evil good and celebrating PC sins calling it love . MANY folks in this day and age will WAIL on THE DAY OF JESUS .
SO let us remember the words of paul . IF anyone comes and brings another gospel , preaches another jesus
Let em be accursed . DONT just hang out and say we all Gods kiddos . POINT TO JESUS for all else is vanity and brings the second death
at the Day of the LORD .
 

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That is an impossibility unless of course, God turns out to be a Liar.....

“ Anybody that asks to be Saved will be Saved”

Do you think God is a “liar”..... I don’t.......that’s how I know I am Saved....how about you?
I sure don't!

Luke 13:24 (NKJV)
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
 
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But there also comes a point where a man is completely cleansed and at that point there is no more looking inward, except the Holy Spirit shines His light on something new that has just come in from the outside that needs to be confessed so that it might be cleansed from the system.


Where are these men who accomplished what Paul couldn’t ? I want you to fix me up so that I can interview their wives.....just one or two minutes alone with them to ask some questions.....then we’ ll See how “ completely cleansed” they are.....lol.....you “ gotta” be kidding, right? You so crazy! Lol....
 

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The verses that speak most plainly of the Trinity are the most disputed by those who deny the Trinity.

So, in showing you the doctrine, we will often take you in through the back door, using the biblical hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) to show you the doctrine by comparing scripture with scripture.

But the disputed verses say the doctrine quite plainly, if you would be willing to accept that they are inspired of the Lord.

Isaiah 9:6, Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7.



The-only way to understand the Trinity is to be One it’s Members....
 

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I agree! The backsliders sin is not going to forfeit his salvation, it's just as you say.

The verses I have been posting does not concern a backslider. These verses concern a loss of faith that forfeits salvation.

The backslider still believes but caught up in sin, not so with the verses I have been posting!



“ If we are Unfaithful, HE remains Faithful, for He can’t deny Himself....”
 

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You neglect to define “Narrow Gate”...... how does one go through that Narrow Gate?
It's in the context.

Luke 13:23-24 (NKJV)
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be who find it.
 

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“ If we are Unfaithful, HE remains Faithful, for He can’t deny Himself....”

The Lord doesn't ask much from us! But He demands faith, the Holy Spirit has no legal authority according to Gods rules, to operate in a person who no longer believes.

As I have said a couple of times before, just as Ezekiel witnessed the Spirit leaving the temple because of unbelief, so it is with the individual.

Gods rules branch from the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and the Law of sin and death, according to the apostle Paul.

These Laws demand faith in Christ or the alternative, the consequences of the Law of sin and death.
 
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