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[BreadOfLife]

Not so

the sin John spoke of us will fill habitual sin

John did
Not contradict himself. He said it we say we have no sin we deceive ourself

yes they sinned we all do
but they did Not live in sin

when will you bow down to the power of God to Change people?

the bread of life gives life. That life can not sin. Why do you praise the bread of life yet deny its power?

Then you FINALLY agree with me because this is what I've been saying ALL along.
This is what John was saying aas well.

We ALL sin - but living a LIFE of willful sin is NOT the same as occasionally stumbling in the pursuit of living a godly life.
Sooooo, why are you arguing with me if you agree with this??

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You are straying.
The challenge IS VERY CLEAR.
Quoting Scriptures that have NOTHING to do with the challenge, is straying off point.
Making personal accusations, is straying off point.

You are AGAINST ONCE A MAN IS SAVED...
That man is FOREVER SAVED.

SHOW IN SCRIPTURE...A MAN HAVING RECEIVED THEN WAS UNSAVED.

Dont blame me, because you have quoted Scriptures that SAY NOTHING ABOUT A MAN HAVING RECEIVED SALVATION and THEN BECAME UNSAVED....

I asked ANYONE, to reveal ANY Scripture, that says a man who HAS RECEIVED THE LORDS GIFT OF SALVATION, can then have that GIFT taken AWAY.

I did not single You out...
You responded....with Scriptures THAT DO NOT SUPPORT what you believe.

STAND UP for WHAT YOU BELIEVE...
REVEAL A SCRIPTURE that SUPPORTS your belief.

I heard about a guy who slept with his own Mother( Step Mother , perhaps ) and did not have the gift of his Salvation Taken Away......
Now, as Saved Believers, I’m sure we have all “ stumbled” at times but, wow! Even BB hasn’t gone “ this” far with Sinning ....this terrible story is in the Bible for good reason....as is the story of Wicked David and Wretched Lot and others....they can give us hope about God’s Grace which forever will trump Sin......

 

[BreadOfLife]

I would think that arguing is not the vocation that we are to indulge ourselves in as Christians (Philippians 2:14-15, 2 Timothy 2:24-26)....

Discussion is alright.

HUH??

An "arugument" is simply a discussion of 2 or more opposing opinions. This ENTIRE forum is built on arguments.
So, instead of constantly countering every single thing I say - open up a dictionary . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

I heard about a guy who slept with his own Mother( Step Mother , perhaps ) and did not have the gift of his Salvation Taken Away......
Now, as Saved Believers, I’m sure we have all “ stumbled” at times but, wow! Even BB hasn’t gone “ this” far with Sinning ....this terrible story is in the Bible for good reason....as is the story of Wicked David and Wretched Lot and others....they can give us hope about God’s Grace which forever will trump Sin......

@Ferris Bueller, I know that you might have something to say about this...

 

[justbyfaith]

HUH??

An "arugument" is simply a discussion of 2 or more opposing opinions. This ENTIRE forum is built on arguments.
So, instead of constantly countering every single thing I say - open up a dictionary . . .

An argument may indeed always be a discussion...

However, a discussion is not always an argument.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then you FINALLY agree with me because this is what I've been saying ALL along.
This is what John was saying aas well.

We ALL sin - but living a LIFE of willful sin is NOT the same as occasionally stumbling in the pursuit of living a godly life.
Sooooo, why are you arguing with me if you agree with this??

Nope I don’t agree

John us saying we can not live a life of willfull sin

your trying to twist the meaning to excuse your own sin

John said we can’t live in willfull sin. Agree with him or agree with the men you sadly entrust your eternity to

 

[justbyfaith]

We ALL sin

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Whosoever doeth the will of God "sinneth not" "for ever."

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The “we” was simply the Jewish Audience to whom
Paul was speaking ....
They were being presented with the Gospel,and it this point they were “ fence - sitters”.....They were at a crucial point in their lives.....they had to decide to either accept the “ One Time Sacrifice “ Of Jesus and be Saved or go back to the old Temple System Of sacrificing animals that “ could Never please God.....
They had heard the Gospel ....they had “ received the knowledge”.Jesus is the ONLY Sacrifice that satisfies God in order to get sins forgiven.....animal sacrifices are now a waste of time.....it’s just a statement of fact—— there IS no other Sacrifice now that counts, and the Jews have to make a decision.....Trust in the Blood Of Jesus and be Saved or Trust in the Blood Of animals and be Lost.....
“ Text without Context is error”....... read the nine chapters BEFORE the Tenth Chapter Of Hebrews and get the proper Context....Only Then can you “ Rightly Divide”—— as Ordered!

The important thing is that the Hebrews continue to believe and spur one another on to love and good deeds and to not deliberately keep on sinning......

23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Hebrews 10:23-27​

 

[BreadOfLife]

An argument may indeed always be a discussion...
However, a discussion is not always an argument.

And your point in post #460 was simply to argue with me - and NOT in a fruitful way.

Stick to the TOPIC of the thread. If you have a different opinion regarding that - THEN post something related.
But if you're simply going to nitpick about a word because you don't know the definition - then open a dictionary BEFORE you post . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Whosoever doeth the will of God "sinneth not" "for ever."

Then YOU hould tell the Holy Spirit He made a mistake when He inspired James to tell his BORN AGAIN readers to "confess your sins" (James 5:16).

I'm sure He'd appreciate the correction . . .

 

[FHII]

Ummmm, I didn't say that I respected them. I said that they were "well-respected" - and thay are.
And if if ALL you cn do is offer a flat denial of what I presented without counter-evidence, then you've already lost this argument . . .

BOL all I have to do to win this argument is post what the passage says. That's it! I am the one who believes what the Bible says and you and others are the ones attempting to tell me why the Bible doesn't mean what it says.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I heard about a guy who slept with his own Mother( Step Mother , perhaps ) and did not have the gift of his Salvation Taken Away......

He didn't lose his salvation because he repented. Was he really saved to begin with, or did he fall away from salvation? We don't know. We just know he had to repent so that he could be saved when Jesus comes back. Do all believers repent in time before losing their salvation and so are always saved that way? We can argue that all day long until Jesus comes back but what is clear is we won't be saved when Jesus comes if we are living in a sin that requires us to be turned over to satan.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

One has to Believe, to Keep Believing.
The topic is about having received Salvation and then becoming Unsaved.

Maybe you've noticed that the osas comes down to whether or not a true believer can stop believing or not.

 

[07-07-07]

Then YOU hould tell the Holy Spirit He made a mistake when He inspired James to tell his BORN AGAIN readers to "confess your sins" (James 5:16).

I'm sure He'd appreciate the correction . . .

The KJV reads "faults" not "sins".

James 5
[16] Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

And, since you mention James, it is written that OSAS is false.

James 5
[19] Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[20] Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Its like this Ferris, "abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it was counted to him as Righteousness".

What was counted to him as Righteousness?
= His faith.

So faith was his savior then, right?

 

[BreadOfLife]

The KJV reads "faults" not "sins".

James 5
[16] Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

And, since you mention James, it is written that OSAS is false.

James 5
[19] Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[20] Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

And that's why we always need to go back to the original Greek.
The word used here is Ηαμαρτια (ham-ar-tee'-ah), which is the same word used for "sins" in verses 15 and 19.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

See, you have been taught by heretics, probably commentaries, that Abraham was justified when He tried to offer his son.
That is not the case.

As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone. James 2:24​

Uh, oh! Now what? Let's see if you can get yourself out of the jam you've put yourself into. I know why this doesn't contradict Paul. Let's see if you know.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL all I have to do to win this argument is post what the passage says. That's it! I am the one who believes what the Bible says and you and others are the ones attempting to tell me why the Bible doesn't mean what it says.

Actually - you're wrong.
IF the Bible had been written in English - you might have a point. However, it was written in Koine Greek, so you're WRONG.

There is NO single-word English transliteration for "Epignosis" - so "knowledge" is used instead, when translated.
Epignosis means, "a full, experiential and relational knowledge".
Oida or Gnosis simply connote an intellectual assent.

Sorry - but you brought a pea-shooter to a gunfight . . .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There is no verse in the NT that says you are to "stand by faith".

The NT does in fact say we stand by faith.....

They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Romans 11:20
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Now what?

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[07-07-07]

And that's why we always need to go back to the original Greek.
The word used here is Ηαμαρτια (ham-ar-tee'-ah), which is the same word used for "sins" in verses 15 and 19.

Yes, we should deeply examine what words mean. Nevertheless, KJV uses "faults" instead of "sins". But I submit there is a difference between an unintentional fault, i.e., sin, and an intentional one.

Secondly, you left out the other point, which disproves OSAS.

James 5
[19] Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[20] Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.