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[justbyfaith]

Actually, Scripture was written by Scribes.
And not all Scribes were holy men believing what they wrote.

Matt 9:
[3] And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.

2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[justbyfaith]

Lol.....I am too much of a computer Dotard to “ get with the program”..... I barely know what you are talking about....
All I know is, whatever you are doing it can be misleading.....if you are not doing it on purpose I have no problem .....
If misleading our viewers when you don’t have to doesn’t bother your conscience .....there is nothing I can do for you....
I wouldn't do it to you....

If you left-click and hold it down and then drag the mouse to the right, you can "highlight a text". When you take your finger off of the left-click button, it will give you the option of "quote" or "reply". You should experiment with this; left-click on either one. You can also right-click on a "highlighted text" and it will give you the option of Copy or Cut...you can then paste what you highlighted by going to the message screen and right-clicking and then left-clicking on "Paste".

If you use the "quote" button, then when you get down to where you type your message, there should be an INSERT QUOTES button added at the bottom left. if you left-click on that and then left-click on QUOTE THESE MESSAGES on the next screen, you should have what you want on the screen. Clicking "Reply" in the first place will do that for you automatically. I use the quote feature when I want to quote more than one thing and respond to it.

Hope this helps.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

So back to the challenge.
What Scripture reveals a MAN RECEIVED Salvation and his SALVATION was taken away.


I can’t find any scriptures to back that .....
What I “ DO” have is this—- It PROVES just the opposite ....
John 5:24.......”Anyone who hears my word and believes the One who sent me already HAS Eternal life and shall NOT come Under Condemnation”
Ain’t heard anybody make an effective case against that—Ever!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The OSAS people are saying the same as the Pharisees: "We have Jesus as our Savior". But I say as John the Baptist: "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Jesus as our Savior: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children of Jesus."

No pharisee ever said this

they thought they were righteous by their works, just like the jews who followed them, people who paul called fools for thinking they were initially saved in the spirit but must perfect that salvation in the flesh

they resemble NOSAS people, not eternally secure people.

 

[justbyfaith]

So back to the challenge.
What Scripture reveals a MAN RECEIVED Salvation and his SALVATION was taken away.


I can’t find any scriptures to back that .....
What I “ DO” have is this—- It PROVES just the opposite ....
John 5:24.......”Anyone who hears my word and believes the One who sent me already HAS Eternal life and shall NOT come Under Condemnation”
Ain’t heard anybody make an effective case against that—Ever!

The only point that I would make about John 5:24 is that it only applies to those who have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).

If anyone has a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith, they can fall away (Luke 8:12-13) and those who fall away from faith do not continue to have salvation.

For we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2) and therefore if we lose faith, we lose access to grace.

And since we are saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8-9), we lose salvation if we no longer have access to grace.

However, those who have a heart faith that is unto righteousness and enduring to the end are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) and therefore, the faith that is instilled in them by the Holy Spirit is in them everlastingly.

Therefore they have everlasting life (John 6:47)...which is life that can never come to an end...otherwise it would have been defined as temporal.

But for those whose faith is temporal, the life that they have is also temporal. These are the ones who are described in Luke 8:13.

 

[07-07-07]

So back to the challenge.
What Scripture reveals a MAN RECEIVED Salvation and his SALVATION was taken away.


I can’t find any scriptures to back that .....
What I “ DO” have is this—- It PROVES just the opposite ....
John 5:24.......”Anyone who hears my word and believes the One who sent me already HAS Eternal life and shall NOT come Under Condemnation”
Ain’t heard anybody make an effective case against that—Ever!

John 6
[59] These things said he [Jesus] in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
[60] Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
[61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

[66] From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Notice John 6:66; 666 is a number of man; they turned back.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Because Christians can do whatever they want, huh?


Of course they can.....just like a Non- Christian can.....this is not the same as saying that they can “ do what they want” and “ Get Away With It.”
Just like my 4th Grade teacher used to say....” You can’t do wrong and get by” ..... one can be Certain that “ their Sin will find them out”
You may not have one, but if you do.....put on your “Thinking Cap” ......in the end, everybody does what they “ Want” to do.The Secret Of Christianity is that God changes the “ WANTS” of a Saved person.....
I used to be a big partier—— Saturday nights were what I lived for.....I loved to get drunk and carouse .....it’s practically ALL that I WANTED to do!
Last night was Saturday night and I “COULD” have gone out Carousing like I used to.... I Could have , but I didn’t .Why not? I didn’t “ WANT” to.Its that “Inside Of the Cup” thingy, I suppose.....

 

[07-07-07]

No pharisee ever said this

Matthew 3
[5] Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
[6] And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[9] And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
[10] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

they resemble NOSAS people, not eternally secure people.

This make no sense whatsoever.

Truth is, OSAS people say the same as the Pharisees; to paraphrase: "Despite our unfruitfulness, we are secure in our salvation because we have Jesus". The Pharisees: "Despite our unfruitfulness, we have Abraham as our Father".

 

[justbyfaith]

edited post #433 (Once Saved Always Saved).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You have a wrong understanding about Abraham.
See, "Abraham was justified by Faith". This is why the NT tells you that he is the "father of our faith".

Its like this Ferris, "abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it was counted to him as Righteousness".

What was counted to him as Righteousness?
= His faith.

"justification by FAITH , without works and without the deeds of the Law".

See, you have been taught by heretics, probably commentaries, that Abraham was justified when He tried to offer his son.
That is not the case.
He was justified By FAITH "without works".

God does not justify you by your effort, He justifies you based on the blood of Jesus.

Dont confuse this fact.

God is the savior, not faith.
God saved Abraham because he BELIEVED.

.....and lest we forget....Abraham was a Flat - Out Disobeyer Of God at times....his Faith was weak at times, even “ after” he was declared “Righteous” Because he Believed a Promise Of God That said His “ Children” would be like the stars in the sense that they would be too numerous to count, yes, even after that he was a Liar and an Adulterer.......It’s a good thing Abraham trusted God.....at times he sure did not have anything else to offer.....he’s kinda like us in that respect....agreed?

 

[justbyfaith]

.....and lest we forget....Abraham was a Flat - Out Disobeyer Of God at times....his Faith was weak at times, even “ after” he was declared “Righteous” Because he Believed a Promise Of God That said His “ Children” would be like the stars in the sense that they would be too numerous to count, yes, even after that he was a Liar and an Adulterer...

I would be interested in chapter and verse on Abraham being a liar and adulterer.

I know that he has been accused of "pimping out Sarah" to the Egyptians...

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL, you like everyone else miss the point. You are analyzing a word but not understanding what is being said. Its pretty funny to me actually.

No. Don't do that! You don't respect any Protestant unless they agree with you. Quit being fake.

Ummmm, I didn't say that I respected them. I said that they were "well-respected" - and thay are.
And if if ALL you cn do is offer a flat denial of what I presented without counter-evidence, then you've already lost this argument . . .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post 448:

Because Christians can do whatever they want, huh?


Of course they can.....just like a Non- Christian can.....this is not the same as saying that they can “ do what they want” and “ Get Away With It.”

You still haven’t found how to quote members postings. You were quoting me: I was the person who wrote the bolded red text in your post. As @justbyfaith said, use your mouse to highlight the text of interest by holding down the left-click button until the portion of text you want to respond to is highlighted, then the options to “quote” and “reply” pop up.

Hope this helps.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your right it does not

so when John says whoever sins has never seen god, we should take him at his word, amd not mistranslated hebrews as saying we can live in sin and ever have known God

If you take what you just said literally - then the bible is FILLED with lies.

David sinned - AFTER knowing God.
Peter sinned - AFTER kowing Christ.
According to YOUR literalistic, NON-contextual views on Scripture - they were both LOST and went to hell.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Not that we should Ever add to ANY book Of The Word Of God....but John was referring to the Book Of Prophesies That he had just written. His book of future Revelations....there were no Bibles in existence to add to when he penned Revelations ....just sayin’

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This is a topic that I am NOT willing to discuss.
People will believe what they desire to believe.

Yes, we're all going to have our opinions about it. What's important is that we continue to believe. That's what we are to be encouraging each other in.

...As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24​

 

[BloodBought 1953]

For if WE sin wilfully after that WE have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

The “we” was simply the Jewish Audience to whom
Paul was speaking ....
They were being presented with the Gospel,and it this point they were “ fence - sitters”.....They were at a crucial point in their lives.....they had to decide to either accept the “ One Time Sacrifice “ Of Jesus and be Saved or go back to the old Temple System Of sacrificing animals that “ could Never please God.....
They had heard the Gospel ....they had “ received the knowledge”.Jesus is the ONLY Sacrifice that satisfies God in order to get sins forgiven.....animal sacrifices are now a waste of time.....it’s just a statement of fact—— there IS no other Sacrifice now that counts, and the Jews have to make a decision.....Trust in the Blood Of Jesus and be Saved or Trust in the Blood Of animals and be Lost.....
“ Text without Context is error”....... read the nine chapters BEFORE the Tenth Chapter Of Hebrews and get the proper Context....Only Then can you “ Rightly Divide”—— as Ordered!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you take what you just said literally - then the bible is FILLED with lies.

David sinned - AFTER knowing God.
Peter sinned - AFTER kowing Christ.
According to YOUR literalistic, NON-contextual views on Scripture - they were both LOST and went to hell.

Not so

the sin John spoke of us will fill habitual sin

John did Not contradict himself. He said it we say we have no sin we deceive ourself

yes they sinned we all do

but they did Not live in sin

when will you bow down to the power of God to Change people?

the bread of life gives life. That life can not sin. Why do you praise the bread of life yet deny its power?

 

[justbyfaith]

Ummmm, I didn't say that I respected them. I said that they were "well-respected" - and thay are.
And if if ALL you cn do is offer a flat denial of what I presented without counter-evidence, then you've already lost this argument . . .

I would think that arguing is not the vocation that we are to indulge ourselves in as Christians (Philippians 2:14-15, 2 Timothy 2:24-26)....

Discussion is alright.

 

[justbyfaith]

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Not that we should Ever add to ANY book Of The Word Of God....but John was referring to the Book Of Prophesies That he had just written. His book of future Revelations....there were no Bibles in existence to add to when he penned Revelations ....just sayin’

I'm not taking any chances on adding to or taking away from any other book of the Bible...

And also, it should be clear that God knew that the Book of Revelation would be at the end of our Bibles when He inspired Revelation 22:18-19 to be written...

And therefore, if they added to the Bible when they translated the kjv, instead of subtracting from the Bible when they translated other versions...then the plagues of the book of Revelation should have been added to the translators of the kjv...something very visible...

While if they subtracted from the Bible when they translated other versions, the results would not be as visible...their names would be removed from the Lamb's Book of Life....something that is not readily apparent by all practical appearances.