Once Saved Always Saved

[Taken]

2 Corinthians 2:10-11
[10] To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; [11] Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

@Taken what would you suppose Satan getting an advantage of and devouring us entails?

And remember when Jesus prayed for Peter:

Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Then we have the infamous most twisted passage:

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

NONE OF THESE SCRIPTURES ARE NECESSARY IF YOU COULD NEVER LOSE YOUR SALVATION!

None of those Scriptures Reveals ANY man receiving Salvation and then having his Salvation removed.

Ofcourse those Scriptures ARE NECESSARY...
They are TRUE KNOWLEDGE, withou Conversion YOUR SOUL is in Jeopardy of being claimed by your Adversary.

And ofcourse men forgiving men is a necessary PRECEPT God teaches for HOW MEN have a harmonious outcome amongst men.

So back to the challenge.
What Scripture reveals a MAN RECEIVED Salvation and his SALVATION was taken away.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Having KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH, is NOT RECEIVING SALVATION, its RECEIVING KNOWLEDGE.

John 4:22 KJVS
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Here “knowing” true worship gives you salvation.

Now are you going to tell Jesus that knowing what you worship is not salvation???

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So back to the challenge.
What Scripture reveals a MAN RECEIVED Salvation and his SALVATION was taken away.

It will be you if you don’t take heed to this warning:

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Behold]

I think the Bible says we are saved by grace, so I agree

Grace is the Mercy of God, which is the shed blood of Jesus.

Salvation, is God coming here to make us Righteous with His own Blood, Death, and Resurrection.

Its not faith that saves us, its God who has offered Himself as our sin bearer, being judged for our sin, that is our Salvation.

You have believers who seem to think that Salvation is caused by Faith, but its not...
To listen to some really twisted believers, you hear them talk about faith as if faith hung on the Cross.

Salvation is given by God who completed it 2000 yrs ago.
He provides it, and its through our Faith, that God redeems us.
Faith is like the door that opens to it.....
God redeems us through our faith....
Faith is not the savior, .... God is the Savior.
Many are "trusting in faith", "holding on to faith".... as if Faith is saving them, when in fact God saves through Faith...
God accept our faith TO SAVE US.
The proof He did, is if we are born again.
Being born again, is the only real proof of Salvation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

None of those Scriptures Reveals ANY man receiving Salvation and then having his Salvation removed

It’s because you lack this:

Ephesians 1:17
...the spirit of wisdom and revelation

 

[Taken]

Believers are being told to be vigilant of Satan who seeks to devour everyone!

Is this scripture of no value to us?

Are all the warning passages just there to fill up space?

I highly doubt God inspired his writers to write vain words.

The Churches are FILLED with BELIEVERS...
So what?
Did you NOT ever NOTICE a BELIEVER, answering an ALTAR CALL?
What do you think that "BELIEVER" was doing?

Do you not understand...
Non-believers and believers ARE at RISK of being INFLUENCED to COMMIT to SATAN?

Do you not understand...
A believer BECOMES SECURE (SAVED), by MAKING a Commitment TO Christ Jesus?

Seriously, you do not understand...the GREAT IMPORTANCE of WARNINGS?

A commitment to CHRIST JESUS, is ETERNAL.
A commitment to Satan, is ETERNAL.

There is no Wishy Washy, Commitment, and then get out of the Commitment.
(With God, with Satan)

That is what MEN DO ... making Promises, in marriage, in contracts to work or buy, then try to wiggle out of keeping their word.

Absolutely men ARE WARNED, repeatedly in Scripture....DO NOT BE COY...hear, read, learn, discover what you are agreeing to...and then be absolutely SURE what you agree to...
BECAUSE there is NO UNDOING "your word" of commitment.

Here's the warning...

2 Peter 1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Now you have revealed, you find Warnings unnecessary...

Back to the challenge...
What Scripture reveals a Man was Saved and then lost his Salvation.

 

[Behold]

Somehow you have to factor Romans 11:20-22 into this. .

That passage is talking about Jews, before the Cross was raised.
Your theology is awful., and never gets better.
Its like darkess that just keep on talking.

 

[Taken]

John 4:22 KJVS
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Here “knowing” true worship gives you salvation.

Now are you going to tell Jesus that knowing what you worship is not salvation???

Can you stay on point?

I did not ask anyone to tell me WHAT JESUS KNOWS.

Jesus IS THE SAVIOR.
Reveal a SCRIPTURE that says a man RECEIVED his OFFERED GIFT of SALVATION, and THEN BECAME UNSAVED.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That passage is talking about Jews, before the Cross was raised.

Because Christians can do whatever they want, huh?

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

No, this is to us!

 

[Behold]

That's not the argument. Standing by faith

There is no verse in the NT that says you are to "stand by faith".

God said this....>"the work of God is that you BELIEVE on Jesus, whom God sent".

If you've done this, then God has accepted your faith, ONCE, and that is proven by being born again.
Being born again, is not kept by holding onto faith.
Being born again is to have BECOME "One with God".

You are not kept "in Christ" by "holding onto faith".
You are kept there, "in Christ", blood bought, and redeemed, "made righteous" by What God did for you on the Cross.
Salvation is a Gift.

Stop trusting faith, and begin to trust CHRIST.
Today would be a good time for you to start.

 

[Behold]

Behavior is only an indicator of faith, like it was for Abraham.

You have a wrong understanding about Abraham.
See, "Abraham was justified by Faith". This is why the NT tells you that he is the "father of our faith".

Its like this Ferris, "abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it was counted to him as Righteousness".

What was counted to him as Righteousness?
= His faith.

"justification by FAITH , without works and without the deeds of the Law".

See, you have been taught by heretics, probably commentaries, that Abraham was justified when He tried to offer his son.
That is not the case.
He was justified By FAITH "without works".

God does not justify you by your effort, He justifies you based on the blood of Jesus.

Dont confuse this fact.

God is the savior, not faith.
God saved Abraham because he BELIEVED.

 

[Taken]

It will be you if you don’t take heed to this warning:

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Nothing new. A persons name IS in Gods BOOK of LIFE. A person corrupting Gods Word, has "his name" blotted from Gods Book.

Gods BOOK OF LIFE...contains the NAME of every man "NATURALLY BORN"...

What does a "natural born" man have to do with the question of A "BORN AGAIN SAVED MAN" losing his Salvation?

Nothing.

Try to stay on point.

 

[Taken]

It’s because you lack this:

Ephesians 1:17
...the spirit of wisdom and revelation

Going off on a tangent and MAKING personal accusations toward me...irrelevant.

Personal accusations do not address the challenge.

Show in Scripture, ANY MAN having RECEIVED the Lords OFFERING of His Gift of Salvation....and THEN HAVING THAT GIFT TAKEN AWAY.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Gods BOOK OF LIFE...contains the NAME of every man "NATURALLY BORN"...

Only born again believers will be in the book of life at the judgement.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Try to stay on point.

That is something you should try...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Personal accusations do not address the challenge.

It was an observation based on your inability to hear what the scriptures say.

Your dismissive attitude towards scripture is startling.

 

[Taken]

Only born again believers will be in the book of life at the judgement.

That ^ is not the challenge.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That ^ is not the challenge.

That is something you should try...

You are deflecting again.
I have NO problem discussing "the BOOKS".
But that is NOT the TOPIC.

Don't be frustrated.
Stop repeating what you have been told to believe, and read what the Scriptures SAY.

You have not shown ONE Scripture to Support men can Receive the Lords Gift of Salvation, and then have their Salvation taken away.

There is no such Scripture, and WHY you can not reveal such a Scripture.
Doesn't THAT ^ make YOU WONDER, why YOU are AGAINST the Lords Gift of Salvation being UNABLE to be TAKEN AWAY?

 

[Behold]

The mods intervene in matters which are within their terms of service.

Getting back to the title of this thread, the notion of losing one's salvation is foreign to Scripture. However Satan would love to have every believer under the cloud of uncertainty about his or her salvation.

Your opinion is that Mods should only intervene if there is too much yelling, or if someone's cult or church is being attacked?
I dont share your opinion, and i think your opinion is deceived.

Here is the reality.
A christian forum, is not to be a spiritual toilet where anything and everything, deceived and worse, is ALLOWED to come and park and preach God denying, Jesus's BLOOD abusing, Theology.
Thats a fact.

A "Mod' first and foremost, has to recognize that Jesus said...>"were 2 are gathered in my Name, there I am found in the Midst of them".
ANd there are always more then 2 on a Forum.
So, this means that a Forum is an online Church. And that means the Mod's #1 job, is to keep it CLEAN and FREE from heretics.
If they dont then they are not fulfilling their obligation to God, which is a lot more important then worrying about the TOS.
Believe it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Don't be frustrated.

I am not frustrated in the least; I’m just grieved.

Stop repeating what you have been told to believe, and read what the Scriptures SAY.

Talk about bizarre!

That’s what YOU need to do.

You have not shown ONE Scripture to Support men can Receive the Lords Gift of Salvation, and then have their Salvation taken away.

There is no such Scripture, and WHY you can not reveal such a Scripture.

Here is it again:

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if WE sin wilfully after that WE have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

WE have received salvation!

You wouldn’t suggest that the writer identifying himself in the “we” statement hasn’t received salvation, would you?

Man, I hope not!

 

[Taken]

It was an observation based on your inability to hear what the scriptures say.

Your dismissive attitude towards scripture is startling.

You are straying.
The challenge IS VERY CLEAR.
Quoting Scriptures that have NOTHING to do with the challenge, is straying off point.
Making personal accusations, is straying off point.

You are AGAINST ONCE A MAN IS SAVED...
That man is FOREVER SAVED.

SHOW IN SCRIPTURE...A MAN HAVING RECEIVED THEN WAS UNSAVED.

Dont blame me, because you have quoted Scriptures that SAY NOTHING ABOUT A MAN HAVING RECEIVED SALVATION and THEN BECAME UNSAVED....

I asked ANYONE, to reveal ANY Scripture, that says a man who HAS RECEIVED THE LORDS GIFT OF SALVATION, can then have that GIFT taken AWAY.

I did not single You out...
You responded....with Scriptures THAT DO NOT SUPPORT what you believe.

STAND UP for WHAT YOU BELIEVE...
REVEAL A SCRIPTURE that SUPPORTS your belief.

 

[justbyfaith]

ONCE - you ARE SAVED -
NOTHING can MAKE a man NOT SAVED.

Not one person has REVEALED ONE SCRIPTURE of any person BEING SAVED, and then being made "unsaved".

So back to the challenge.
What Scripture reveals a MAN RECEIVED Salvation and his SALVATION was taken away.

Back to the challenge...
What Scripture reveals a Man was Saved and then lost his Salvation.

I asked ANYONE, to reveal ANY Scripture, that says a man who HAS RECEIVED THE LORDS GIFT OF SALVATION, can then have that GIFT taken AWAY.

Hebrews 6:1-8.

Its not faith that saves us, its God who has offered Himself as our sin bearer, being judged for our sin, that is our Salvation.

This is appropriated by a faith that abides.

That passage (Romans 11:20-22) is talking about Jews, before the Cross was raised.

It is also talking about us.

Rom 11:20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

See, you have been taught by heretics, probably commentaries, that Abraham was justified when He tried to offer his son.
That is not the case.
He was justified By FAITH "without works".

Jas 2:14, What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15, If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17, Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18, Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19, Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20, But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21, Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22, Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23, And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24, Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25, Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26, For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Heb 11:17, By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Heb 11:18, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19, Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Gods BOOK OF LIFE...contains the NAME of every man "NATURALLY BORN"...

That's good news. That means that when the Antichrist comes, no one is going to worship him...but what does the scripture say?

Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.