Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

I'm human, of course I sin. The difference is those who are truly born again do make a practice of living in willful sin. You sin as well as every human on the earth. Jesus is our Advocate making intercession for us. When I do sin I feel convicted, I feel the Holy Spirit bringing it to my attention to address it and confess it.

Correct.
We ALL sin but as Christians, we strive not to sin or live a life of willful sin.

This does NOT mean, however, that we will ALL succeed because many Christians cease to rely on God and fall back into a life of willful sin. These are people who had an Epignosis of Christ and chose to walk away - some after many years of following Him.

 

[Taken]

I guarantee you that most Christians know that their sanctification is a process.

A man Learning ABOUT the Lord is a process.
The act of sanctification is an act of the Lord.

My Lords ACTIONS ARE QUICK AND DELIBERATE.

 

[LC627]

Correct.
We ALL sin but as Christians, we strive not to sin or live a life of willful sin.

This does NOT mean, however, that we will ALL succeed because many Christians cease to rely on God and fall back into a life of willful sin. These are people who had an Epignosis of Christ and chose to walk away - some after many years of following Him.

Although one may struggle in their faith (after a traumatic event, death, etc.) I do not believe that a true believer will all together turn on God. Even in my hardest faith trials when I was far from God I felt His presence close to me and the leading to repent. As stated before, if they leave then it shows they never really were with us to start with. Besides, I believe God already knew who would accept salvation and predestined their eternal state so there is no out thinking God - everything is already recorded. A true believer will remain faithful even though they may struggle for a season of time.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Although one may struggle in their faith (after a traumatic event, death, etc.) I do not believe that a true believer will all together turn on God. Even in my hardest faith trials when I was far from God I felt His presence close to me and the leading to repent. As stated before, if they leave then it shows they never really were with us to start with. Besides, I believe God already knew who would accept salvation and predestined their eternal state so there is no out thinking God - everything is already recorded. A true believer will remain faithful even though they may struggle for a season of time.

The fact that God "pre-knows" does NOT mean that He coerces.
He knows OUR choice because He is eternal. He didn't MAKE that choice for us.

 

[BreadOfLife]

A man Learning ABOUT the Lord is a process.
The act of sanctification is an act of the Lord.

My Lords ACTIONS ARE QUICK AND DELIBERATE.

For HIM, who is outside of time (2 Pet. 3:8), everything is quick and deliberate because it is in the eternal "now."
WE, however, are bound by time, so our sanctification is a process.

 

[LC627]

The fact that God "pre-knows" does NOT mean that He coerces.
He knows OUR choice because He is eternal. He didn't MAKE that choice for us.

I know, He already knows, that's how He predestined. Who is saved and who is lost is already known, A true believer is known to God and is Sealed

 

[Stranger]

Although one may struggle in their faith (after a traumatic event, death, etc.) I do not believe that a true believer will all together turn on God. Even in my hardest faith trials when I was far from God I felt His presence close to me and the leading to repent. As stated before, if they leave then it shows they never really were with us to start with. Besides, I believe God already knew who would accept salvation and predestined their eternal state so there is no out thinking God - everything is already recorded. A true believer will remain faithful even though they may struggle for a season of time.

This is a true statement. As a believer, we cannot stop believing. If placed under the torturers rack, I may profess a false confession. But that just makes me a liar. I can no more cease believing than the sun rising every morning. And that is what the Lord sees. He knows those who are His.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know, He already knows, that's how He predestined. Who is saved and who is lost is already known, A true believer is known to God and is Sealed

And that STILL doesn't take away from the fact that there are those who are born again and later choose to walk away from God. They weren't any "less" born again than those who chose to stay.

That's the whole point of this thread.

 

[LC627]

And that STILL doesn't take away from the fact that there are those who are born again and later choose to walk away from God. They weren't any "less" born again than those who chose to stay.

That's the whole point of this thread.

Yes it does, If God knows then they were NOT truly saved to start with. God didn't start out with a list of saved people then started erasing names off. What was done in the eternal past is still true to this day. People are not temporarily redeemed.

 

[Taken]

Who said anything about mere "knowledge"??

You did. And the Scriptures you posted did.

As I have educated you on MANY threads now - "Epignosis" is to be born again.

In order for YOU TO EDUCATE ME....you would have to be my TEACHER....

Isn't that BIG of you....You not only tell me what I think, and speak for me, you have also appointed yourself my teacher.

It is a FULL and EXPERIENTIAL knowledge -.

"Mere" knowledge...
"Experiential" knowledge..

You have so much psychobabble and ceremonious traditions that you focus on, when it is the TRUST of Gods Word that is paramount.

And FYI, you are not my teacher.

 

[Stranger]

And that STILL doesn't take away from the fact that there are those who are born again and later choose to walk away from God. They weren't any "less" born again than those who chose to stay.

That's the whole point of this thread.

One is born again by faith. One does not cease to have faith because one 'walks away'. Walking away does not equate with believing. Did Jonah walk away? Did Lot walk away? Did David walk away? Did God let them walk away? Absolutely not.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes it does, If God knows then they were NOT truly saved to start with. God didn't start out with a list of saved people then started erasing names off. What was done in the eternal past is still true to this day. People are not temporarily redeemed.

EVERYBODY is redeemed (paid for) and EVERYBODY has a chance at salvation.
NOT everybody will choose to accept it.

God knew from eternity those who would choose Him - but you and I didn't make our choices in eternity because we are bound by time.

 

[Nancy]

I doubt most Converted Christians would disagree with Scripture that they are sanctified.

What about:
1 Corinthians 6:11 ►
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New International Version
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Taken]

For HIM, who is outside of time (2 Pet. 3:8), everything is quick and deliberate because it is in the eternal "now."
WE, however, are bound by time, so our sanctification is a process.

So Process away.....the Catholic way.

I'll trust the Word of God...Like Protestants do.

1 Cor 6:11
.....ARE washed, ARE sanctified, ARE justified,
.....BY the Spirit.

We actually CHOOSE OURSELVES to learn ABOUT the Lord, and then CHOOSE OURSELVES to give our Life to the Lord, and are OURSELVES "AWARE" of what the Lord has promised and WE WHEN WE RECEIVE IT!

 

[LC627]

EVERYBODY is redeemed (paid for) and EVERYBODY has a chance at salvation.
NOT everybody will choose to accept it.

God knew from eternity those who would choose Him - but you and I didn't make our choices in eternity because we are bound by time.

God is not bound by time though and He knew what you and I would choose.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You did. And the Scriptures you posted did.
In order for YOU TO EDUCATE ME....you would have to be my TEACHER....
Isn't that BIG of you....You not only tell me what I think, and speak for me, you have also appointed yourself my teacher.
"Mere" knowledge...
"Experiential" knowledge..
You have so much psychobabble and ceremonious traditions that you focus on, when it is the TRUST of Gods Word that is paramount.
And FYI, you are not my teacher.

Psychobabble??
It's simple Koine Greek.

The fact that you label Scriptural proof as "Psychobable" because it's not in English speaks VOLUMES about about your desperate attempt to discredit it. Epignosis is NOT a word that was "invented" by the Catholic Church. It is a REAL word with a REAL definition - and it was used by the Apostles.

 

[BreadOfLife]

God is not bound by time though and He knew what you and I would choose.

Yup - He ALSO knew what everybody else wold chose.
This includes those who chose Him - then LEFT Him.

 

[Taken]

EVERYBODY is redeemed (paid for)

The PAYMENT is the DEPOSIT.
The REDEMPTION is the Lord CLAIMING the man WHO accepted the Payment of His Deposit.

and EVERYBODY has a chance at salvation.
NOT everybody will choose to accept it.

That has already been established.

God knew from eternity those who would choose Him - but you and I didn't make our choices in eternity because we are bound by time.

Yes......DURING YOURLIFE TIME....which is during the TIME your flesh BODY, IS naturally ALIVE. And the LIFE of your natural body IS IT"S blood.

You seem to be unaware that a man WHO CHOOSES to; ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH IN HIS HEART, GIVE HIS LIFE TO THE Lord......
Actually receives the gifts that ARE PREPARED for a man WHO CHOOSES CHRIST!

The Lord does not WAIT TO SEE what a man WILL CHOOSE......like you teach.....
"Oh oh, I believe", "whoo hoo, I'm born again"....."eh" "changed my mind"... "ha ha"
"Fooled God"....na na na na na..."I'm once again....not born again"....

What hogwash!

 

[Enoch111]

Even Paul gave conditions to being saved.

Yeah. He kept it real simple.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:31).

 

[BreadOfLife]

So Process away.....the Catholic way.
I'll trust the Word of God...Like Protestants do.
1 Cor 6:11
.....ARE washed, ARE sanctified, ARE justified,
.....BY the Spirit.
We actually CHOOSE OURSELVES to learn ABOUT the Lord, and then CHOOSE OURSELVES to give our Life to the Lord, and are OURSELVES "AWARE" of what the Lord has promised and WE WHEN WE RECEIVE IT!

Uh huh.

The Bible ALSO says that I WILL BE saved - IF I stand firm and IF I do the Lord's will (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).