No authority!

[theefaith]

I believe that a person who does not obey Christ's commands, including the command to be baptized, is in unbelief and will not be saved when Jesus comes back. The difference between you and me is you think he won't be saved because he did not earn it, while I say he won't be saved because he does not believe in Christ.

faith alone does not suffice

 

[theefaith]

The Father know best

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where does eph 2 say salvation? It refers to redemption not salvation

Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Read and learn!

 

[theefaith]

Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Read and learn!

redemption! yes!

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[Ronald Nolette]

redemption! yes!

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

YOu did great with redemption but then failed miserably after that and resorted back to man made doctrines and abandoned SCripture!

You also did not read Eph. 2:8-9 it is salvation and not redemption Paul says!

REdemtpion, Justification, Salvation are all solely the Work of God!

Sanctification is th eprocess by wherew god takes one of His children and trains them in holiness. Period! That is where we decide how far in the process we wish to go!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

redemption! yes!

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

think on this truth and abandon RCC false doctrine:

Hebrews 10:14
For by one sacrifice he has made perfect for ever those who are being made holy.

ONE sacrifice (Jesus)
made perfect --Jesus sacrifice makes perfect once for all time (perfect active indicative)
those being made holy- this is sanctification at work!

 

[Taken]

And, as usual, you'veve proven yourself a fraud yet again.
Funny how you conveniently left OUT the entirety of my comment.

I didn't say that God was a "Practical Joker".
THIS is what I said in post# 1640 . . .


I realize that deception is your ONLY tool when you've lost an argument.
But, keep in mind who the Father of deception is (John 8:44) . . .

You are the one always trying to put your words in an others mouth.

Pity you have not learned someone who is continuously in disagreement with you does not qualify you to speak for the other.

No ... it is not fraudulent to put your words back where they came from...in YOUR mouth.

Wise up.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are the one always trying to put your words in an others mouth.

Pity you have not learned someone who is continuously in disagreement with you does not qualify you to speak for the other.

No ... it is not fraudulent to put your words back where they came from...in YOUR mouth.

Wise up.

In other words - you simply couldn't refute what I said.
That's what I thought . . .

 

[Taken]

In other words - you simply couldn't refute what I said.
That's what I thought . . .

Your thoughts are as irrelevant as you failing to own what you say.

 

[theefaith]

YOu did great with redemption but then failed miserably after that and resorted back to man made doctrines and abandoned SCripture!

You also did not read Eph. 2:8-9 it is salvation and not redemption Paul says!

REdemtpion, Justification, Salvation are all solely the Work of God!

Sanctification is th eprocess by wherew god takes one of His children and trains them in holiness. Period! That is where we decide how far in the process we wish to go!

Eph 2 refers to redemption not salvation
Or explain romans
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
And
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your thoughts are as irrelevant as you failing to own what you say.

And STILL - not a single refutation of my obliteration of your false ideas about personal interpretation of Scripture . . .

 

[Taken]

And STILL - not a single refutation of my obliteration of your false ideas about personal interpretation of Scripture . . .

LOL-
Don't see my words.
Will not answer you speaking for me.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

faith alone does not suffice

And you think I said that?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And STILL - not a single refutation of my obliteration of your false ideas about personal interpretation of Scripture . . .

"...you do not need anyone to teach you." 1 John 2:27
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Let's see how you spin it in your favor.

 

[marks]

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord!

So then you don't know whether you will be with Jesus in eternity, or not?

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In other words - you simply couldn't refute what I said.
That's what I thought . . .

You're not a very charitable person. Don't you know your Catholic methodology in no way makes us for you mistreating people? You think your Catholic procedures and methodologies and beliefs are what constitute pleasing God, right? Well, you're wrong. In fact, Jesus says to make it right with those who have something against you before you go bringing any sacrifices of worship to God. Sacrifice is never greater than obedience. Sacrifice will never make up for your lack of obedience. Obedience is better than sacrifice. That's why I said you were failing early on. You've missed the point of Christianity altogether. Cold dead 'religion' is not what pleases God. Spirit-filled character does and you're not exactly displaying that here. You come across as extremely arrogant, not humble in the least. You need to "find out what pleases the Lord" Ephesians 5:10.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus didn't "do away" with anything. He FULFILLED it - made it perfect.
God didn't set up OT Types so He could simply "erase" them in the NT.

Jesus did in fact 'do away with' the physical temple, animal sacrifice, and the mortal priesthood that offered those sacrifices up. They are no longer needed because what they sought to do was done one time, perfectly, for all time by a New High Priest, Jesus Christ. He fulfilled the OT type. That is exactly why the type can be laid aside as unneeded and obsolete now. We don't need your mortal priesthood anymore. That's why we're protesters and not Catholic. Catholics need to get with the new program and stop usurping and interfering with the sole authority of Christ's Priesthood.

 

[BreadOfLife]

"...you do not need anyone to teach you." 1 John 2:27
Let's see how you spin it in your favor.​

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Scripture doesn't need any "spinning".
But you DO need to understand HOW to read it in context . . .

As I instructed your fellow ignorant anti-Cathlic, @Taken - your idea that Jesus left behind a gaggle of Lone Ranger believers with NO hierarchy and nobody to interpret Scripture has led to literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the "individual" interpretations of tens of thousands of different individuals.
What a mess . . .

First of all - in 1 John 2:27, he is TEACHING his readers in this letter NOT to be led astray by false teachers. This is why he tells them that they don't need anyone to teach them - even though HE is teaching them. It's called "hyperbole" and is used throughout Sripture:
Here is a perfect example:
Jesus said that unless you "HATE" your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-you cannot be His disciple (Luke 14:26).
If He was serious about this - it would be a direct violation of the Commandments - but it is just hyperbole.

Finally - Jesus said to His APOSTLES - and NOT the crowds . . .
John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell YOU, but YOU cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide YOU to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will take from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

THEY, in turn were to TEACH all nations (Matt. 28:19-20) - remember??.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're not a very charitable person. Don't you know your Catholic methodology in no way makes us for you mistreating people? You think your Catholic procedures and methodologies and beliefs are what constitute pleasing God, right? Well, you're wrong. In fact, Jesus says to make it right with those who have something against you before you go bringing any sacrifices of worship to God. Sacrifice is never greater than obedience. Sacrifice will never make up for your lack of obedience. Obedience is better than sacrifice. That's why I said you were failing early on. You've missed the point of Christianity altogether. Cold dead 'religion' is not what pleases God. Spirit-filled character does and you're not exactly displaying that here. You come across as extremely arrogant, not humble in the least. You need to "find out what pleases the Lord" Ephesians 5:10.

Oh - and YOU are??
Spewing the lies and filth that you do on post fter post?

You're upset with me - NOT necause I'm not "charitable" but because I've exposed you i public. You've been Scripturally upstaged by a Catholic and that really eats at you.
I wouldn't like me, either if I were you.

As for your last bit of advice in RED - loook in the mirror . . .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

First of all - in 1 John 2:27, he is TEACHING his readers in this letter NOT to be led astray by false teachers. This is why he tells them that they don't need anyone to teach them - even though HE is teaching them. It's called "hyperbole" and is used throughout Sripture:
Here is a perfect example:
Jesus said that unless you "HATE" your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-you cannot be His disciple (Luke 14:26).
If He was serious about this - it would be a direct violation of the Commandments - but it is just hyperbole.

No, it's not hyperbole. What he's saying is they have the power of discernment. In this New Covenant we don't need, for example, a Catholic priesthood to tell us if what we're being taught is true or not. That's how it was in the old covenant. The people of God used to be at the mercy of a corrupt, mortal leadership to tell them what was truth and what was not. Not anymore! Now true believers have the anointing to be able to tell if what they're being taught is the truth or not. We need to be taught, but we do not need to be told what is true and what is not.