No authority!

[Taken]

By the Holy Spirit?

Yes.

sorry taken but luther says: (without any authority) the Bible alone! No access to the Spirit sorry!

Luther says, Simon says...So?

Scripture is Knowledge, it requires no authority to read the Bible.
Understanding the Knowledge is a Gift from God....otherwise it private interpretation.

so tell us what is the word of God in Lk 3:2 and the word of God cave to John

"Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God"

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And yet, you STILL can't refute the passages I presented that prove you wrong.

Anti-Catholics understand the 'you' is in the context of the passage and refers to any two believers......

...if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.” Matthew 18:19-20​

Any two believers who agree on earth in a matter of forgiveness establish the matter in heaven too. If you wronged me and I confronted you and you asked for forgiveness and I forgave you, God looks at the matter and says, "I see no record of offense here. The matter is settled in my sight as you have settled among yourselves." No Catholic priest required to mediate that transaction.

Jesus is the HIGH Priest (Heb. 4:14-16) - the fulfillment of Aaron Himself.

That's what I said. And that's why we don't need a Catholic priest to take us into the Holy of Holies! Jesus alone is the way to the mercy seat and the presence of God. Jesus is the torn veil that has opened up the Holy of Holies to all of God's people. No Catholic priest required to enter through the torn veil of Jesus and into the presence of God.

You Catholics replaced the Levitical High Priest with your own order of priests who prohibit access to the mercy seat of God. Christ did away with that priestly mediation and replaced it with his own, instantly accessible without hindrance to every person who has faith in Christ. That is what this New Covenant is all about. You Catholics are still living in the old covenant system with a New Covenant flavor to it to give it the appearance of legitimacy. But you can't fool those who know better.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Uhhhhh, NO - you didn't.
Matt. 18:15-17, 19-20 is about resolving sins against YOU by a brother.
Verses 17-18 are about the Church's Authority over the situation when it fails.

Can't you see that when it doesn't fail the believers themselves are establishing in heaven what they have established among themselves? Just as surely when it does fail that they don't establish in heaven what they have not established on earth. This is not just a Catholic priest thing. It's a believer's thing.

NOWHERE in the Scriptures do we find that the Laity has the oower to forgive the sins of OTHERS when they have nothing to do with YOU personally.
We DO, however, see that this power is given to the Clergy, as we read in 1 Cor. 12:12-20, 2 Cor. 2:10 and James 5:16.

Your priesthood is not the only ones that forgive or not forgive someone in the church who has been sinning. Paul speaks of the majority in the church, not just the leadership, exercising binding and loosing in regard to the matter of the sinning man at Corinth....

The punishment imposed on him by the majority is sufficient for him. So instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him... 2 Corinthians 2:6-7​

The leadership is hardly the majority of the church. When we bind or loose forgiveness as a majority, laity and leadership together, we establish the matter in heaven just as we established it on earth amongst ourselves. No Catholic priest required. The sinning man doesn't even need any of us! His own faith takes him right into the Holy of Holies vicariously through Jesus without any help from us. He needs us to be reconciled to the assembly, but he does not need any of us to be reconciled to God. His faith does that for him all by itself.

 

[theefaith]

No, not by a Confusing Combo Of LAW And
Jewish Prophecy - NOT Mixed Up With (Romans 11: 6 KJB!), BUT:
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Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:
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God's Revelation Of The Mystery To The Body Of CHRIST:

Precious friend(s). God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

(1) believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

Results: all sins Forgiven, Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!

(2) Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

(3) "Study" HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, for "Approval!"
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)

Eternal Results: reward, ruling, and reigning With CHRIST!

Precious friend(s): Please Be Very Richly Blessed! { More Here!... }

those verses refer to redemption not justification or salvation

no one is saved until death

Matt 24:13 he who endures unto the end shall be saved;

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:


Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[theefaith]

Yes.



Luther says, Simon says...So?

Scripture is Knowledge, it requires no authority to read the Bible.
Understanding the Knowledge is a Gift from God....otherwise it private interpretation.



"Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God"

how do you know?
Maybe it was he must increase and I must decrease
Or
That Jesus is the lamb of God?

 

[theefaith]

Yes.



Luther says, Simon says...So?

Scripture is Knowledge, it requires no authority to read the Bible.
Understanding the Knowledge is a Gift from God....otherwise it private interpretation.



"Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God"

what about the rest
How do you know what is and what is not the Bible?

 

[Taken]

what about the rest

?

How do you know what is and what is not the Bible?

Open book that Says Bible.

 

[Taken]

how do you know?

Scripture.

 

[theefaith]

?



Open book that Says Bible.

ya mine has a lot more than yours
Wisdom for example

 

[Taken]

ya mine has a lot more than yours
Wisdom for example

Presumptuous.
Irrelevant.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul refers to redemption not justification

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 3:27-28​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

only declared righteous not really righteous

No, the transformation of being born again occurs when one believes and is justified.

Christ and the covenant still requires faith and baptism

Christ requires a lot of things. Baptism is just one of those things. But none of those things makes you legally righteous before the Father. Faith does that all by itself apart from the merit of works. Justification, resulting in becoming a new creation, occurs first. Then obedience to Christ's commands in discipleship, including water baptism, comes after that.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

then just admit it baptism s totally meaningless!

No, not at all! It's a person's public declaration of his pledge to being a disciple of Christ. It's the beginning of his witness to the world.

...the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge off a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ... 1 Peter 3:21​

Water baptism jump starts the believer's witness as he publicly confesses his faith in Christ and identifies himself as a disciple of Christ, committing himself to a life of purity and righteousness.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

does christ make mistakes Mk 16:16
acts 8 faith And baptism


We are saved
By believing in Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)?
By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)?
By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)?
By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)?
By declaring with our mouths (Lu 12:8; Rom 10:9)?
By coming to a knowledge of the Truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)?
By maintaining the faith (Col 1:22-23; Mt 24:13)?
By works (John 5:28-29; Rom 2:6, 7; James 2:24)?
By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)?
By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)?
By His righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)?
By His cross (Eph 2:16; Col 2:14)?

The mistake you are making is not making the distinction between justification and salvation itself.

For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. Romans 10:10​

You don't do things to be justified (made righteous). You do things because you are first justified. Paul uses Abraham and the work of circumcision to explain this. He says circumcision is the sign of the righteousness that Abraham already had through his faith, before he was circumcised....

he received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. Romans 4:11
​

The works gospel is thinking you are made righteous, for example, by being circumcised. It's the proverbial 'putting the cart before the horse'. The thinking is if I just secure the sign of being righteous then that will make me righteous. Instead of being made righteous and then having the sign of that righteousness follow your justification. Catholics make this same mistake with water baptism. Water baptism doesn't justify you. You get water baptized because you have been justified by faith, just as Abraham received circumcision after being declared righteous by his faith apart from the work of circumcision. His circumcision being the sign, not the procurer, of God's declaration of righteousness.

 

[theefaith]

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 3:27-28​

because redemption was by Christ not us

 

[theefaith]

No, the transformation of being born again occurs when one believes and is justified.


Christ requires a lot of things. Baptism is just one of those things. But none of those things makes you legally righteous before the Father. Faith does that all by itself apart from the merit of works. Justification, resulting in becoming a new creation, occurs first. Then obedience to Christ's commands in discipleship, including water baptism, comes after that.

then baptism is meaninglessness

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It’s all one ritual
Water words grace spirit

Sorry, but the Bible shows only believers (meaning those already saved) were baptized with the triune formula as commanded in by Jesus.

1. Get sacved
2. Get baptized
3. Learn the Word!
4. Live the Word

That is how it works. Water Baptism is simply a public declaration of something that has already taken place inside! Being immersed (not sprinkled) has no saving power. It is faith that saves and not water baptism.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We are saved
By believing in Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)?
By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)?
By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)?
By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)?
By declaring with our mouths (Lu 12:8; Rom 10:9)?
By coming to a knowledge of the Truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)?
By maintaining the faith (Col 1:22-23; Mt 24:13)?
By works (John 5:28-29; Rom 2:6, 7; James 2:24)?
By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)?
By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)?
By His righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)?
By His cross (Eph 2:16; Col 2:14)?

I pity you for being so deceived!

Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 3:15-16
King James Version

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Adding anything to this simple Biblical truth places that person in danger of being guilty of this:

Galatians 1:6-9
King James Version

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[theefaith]

Sorry, but the Bible shows only believers (meaning those already saved) were baptized with the triune formula as commanded in by Jesus.

1. Get sacved
2. Get baptized
3. Learn the Word!
4. Live the Word

That is how it works. Water Baptism is simply a public declaration of something that has already taken place inside! Being immersed (not sprinkled) has no saving power. It is faith that saves and not water baptism.

Ive never found these scriptures?
public declaration?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nothing new I haven not spoken of before.
Scripture is True Knowledge.
If - Then reveals Scriptural Applicability to an individual.
Understanding Gods Word is a Gift Given from God to an Individual.

Suuuurrrre . . .

That's why there are literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the "gift" of Scriptural understanding from tens of thousands of different individuals.
What a mess . . .

According to YOUR logic - God is a great big Practical Joker in the sky who thrives on confusion.
Thankfully - the God of Scripture left His CHURCH in charge (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).