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BreadOfLife

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You wish....because I have in the only recent past, as concerning our lifetimes, retained your sins against me.
But clearly, the promise that we can retain or forgive sins is given to those who receive the Holy Spirit.
That is the context of John 20:22-23.
Then you are clearly ignorant of what it means rightly divide Scripture.

When Jesus instructed the crowds - he was instructing ALL.
When he gave instructions to his inner circle - that was for the leadership of the church.

THIS is why Paul wrote:
1 Cor. 12:20-28
And God has placed in the church FIRST of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, THEN miracles, THEN gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
Are ALL apostles? Are ALL prophets? Are ALL teachers? Do ALL work miracles? Do ALL have gifts of healing? Do ALL speak in tongues? Do ALL interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.


You're like small child who is discovering the Scriptures for the first time.
Don't just READ the Bible - LEARN what it is saying . . .
 

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Folly to you, and of NO effect on me.



Scripture says:
2 Tim
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



THE Church IS Christ Jesus'Church.
Your willy nilly references , do not say what you claim.

Luke 10:16
[16] He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

YOU should have Trusted Scripture.

Those being spoken TO were 70 the Lord Appointed and Sent out

Luke 10:1
[1] After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

After the 70 returned:
Luke 10:17
[17] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Try to stay within applicability.

acts 2:42 they held to the doctrine of the apostles not the Bible alone
 

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Then you are clearly ignorant of what it means rightly divide Scripture.

When Jesus instructed the crowds - he was instructing ALL.
When he gave instructions to his inner circle - that was for the leadership of the church.

THIS is why Paul wrote:
1 Cor. 12:20-28
And God has placed in the church FIRST of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, THEN miracles, THEN gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
Are ALL apostles? Are ALL prophets? Are ALL teachers? Do ALL work miracles? Do ALL have gifts of healing? Do ALL speak in tongues? Do ALL interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.


You're like small child who is discovering the Scriptures for the first time.
Don't just READ the Bible - LEARN what it is saying . . .

maybe this one will help bring understanding
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you (the apostles) it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Priests and laity
 

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Then you are clearly ignorant of what it means rightly divide Scripture.

When Jesus instructed the crowds - he was instructing ALL.
When he gave instructions to his inner circle - that was for the leadership of the church.

THIS is why Paul wrote:
1 Cor. 12:20-28
And God has placed in the church FIRST of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, THEN miracles, THEN gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
Are ALL apostles? Are ALL prophets? Are ALL teachers? Do ALL work miracles? Do ALL have gifts of healing? Do ALL speak in tongues? Do ALL interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.


You're like small child who is discovering the Scriptures for the first time.
Don't just READ the Bible - LEARN what it is saying . . .
I know that you want so badly to believe what is taught by your church organization...

But it falls miserably short of the truth.

The reality is that the gift of being able to forgive and retain sins is given to all those who will receive the Holy Spirit.

Also, that particular gift isn't mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12.
 

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I know that you want so badly to believe what is taught by your church organization...

But it falls miserably short of the truth.

The reality is that the gift of being able to forgive and retain sins is given to all those who will receive the Holy Spirit.

Also, that particular gift isn't mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12.
And this is the problem with Biblical literalists like yourself.

Not EVERY sin is explicitly listed in the Bible either - so, does that mean that NOT all sins are sinful??
That is one foolish road you've gone down . . .

The plain truth is this: Jesus gave the power to forgive or retain sins ONLY to His inner circle (John 20:21-23).
There is NO other cerse in ALL of Scripture that gives this power to ALL Christians. You also need to ask yourself WHY He didn't given anybody else but His Apostles the power to bind and loose (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18). If you can find it - then present it here.

As Christians - we can ONLY forgive sins against US, personally. In other words - YOU canrt forgive or retain my next door neighbor's sin against ME. This is precisely what Paul was doing with the Corinthains . . .
Cor. 2:10
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been FOR YOU in the person of Christ


The fact that YOURE having a difficult time acceptig this is something YOU need to take up with GOD.
You
need to remember that YOUR objections came soje 1500 years later guys who had the SAME difficulty as YOU . . .
 
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Bible prophecy proves the Popes’ office is in the bible

in a sense this might very well be right . Let us examine the message to the seven churches .
Even where satans seat is . It is possible i suppose that is sure was in bible prophecy .
Cause i see the most deceptive pope in my life time ruling and reigning and his seat seems not be to CHRIST CENTERED .
but rather ..................A broad road message . Very broad , as in broad is the way that leadeth unto damnation .
Let no man , woman or child take heed to this pope . Very deceptive it is . Heck even some catholics agree with this statement .
So what. There have always been dissenters in the Church. We call them psuedo-schismatics. Certain "Catholic media" have an anti-Francis agenda which proves nothing. You make slanderous assumptions with no proof. ZENIT - English - The World Seen From Rome is the only source I trust because they are not afraid to publish the full context of his homilies and audiences. Now, you have the resource needed toprove your uncharitable fear mongering. Put up or shut up with your stupid "whore DUH babble on" psychosis.
I am well aware of your "Dave Hunt" mentality. And you accuse the pope of deception???
lies of Dave Hunt exposed:
Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon | EWTN
Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon: Part II | Catholic Answers

Ruling and reigning???

For his last argument, Hunt states, “Finally, the angel reveals that the woman `is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth’ (v. 18). Is there such a city? Yes, and again only one: Vatican City.”

This is foolishness. Vatican City has no power over any other nation; it certainly does not reign over them. (If it did, the geopolitical state of the world would be very different.) In fact, the Vatican’s very existence has been threatened in the past two centuries by Italian nationalism.

Hunt appeals to power the popes once had over Christian political rulers (neglecting the fact that this was always a limited authority, by the popes’ own admission), but at that time there was no Vatican City. The Vatican became a separate state only in 1929, when the Holy See and Italy signed the Lateran Treaty.

Soon after making Christianity a tolerated religion in the early fourth century, Constantine moved the capital of the empire to his new city, Constantinople. It, not Rome, ruled over the Christian empire. In the seventh century large amounts of territory were lost to the Muslims, removing from Rome any prospect of its ruling them. The eleventh-century schism by the Eastern Orthodox churches removed still more territory from Rome’s potential rule. The Protestant movement took away northern Europe and the British Isles. Emerging nationalism in France and other countries removed lands over which popes enjoyed some temporal authority. Only the tiny Papal States, located in central Italy, were left, and they vanished in 1870.
Today Vatican City rules nothing but itself.
 
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James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
The faith that transforms a person into a born again person is the faith that works. The works come after being born again. The works do not make you born again.

james 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James is not saying works are how a person is born again (justified). Nor is James contradicting Paul who says a man is justified by faith apart from works. James and Paul are using the word 'justified' according to different definitions of the word....

Paul: A person is justified (made righteous/born again) by faith apart from works.

James: A person is justified (shown to be righteous/born again) by works.

Oh I forgot your high priest luther said James is not scripture!
Jesus is our only High Priest. You would be remiss to think being an anti-Catholic automatically means a person is in complete agreement with Luther. Your teachers and leaders are your priests. Your Pope is your High Priest. Anti-Catholics have only one Priest; High Priest, Jesus Christ.
 
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The reasom you guys reject so many thing is because you FAIL to understand that the New Covenant is NOT a "abolishment" of the Old Covenant. It is the FULFILLMENT of it (Matt. 5:17).
Every single OT Type has its NT Fulfillment - and that includes the Ministerial Priesthood.
Jesus, and Jesus alone, is the fulfillment of the type and shadow of the Aaronic Priesthood and the duties of the High Priest. ALL believers fulfill the type and shadow of the remaining Levites in their service to the temple itself.
 

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- WHY does Jesus NOT gtive the power to forgive other's sins to the crowds - and ONLY His innder circle (John 20:21-23, James 5:16)??
I showed you that He did, lol. But you just refuse to accept it. That's why there are Catholics and why there are anti-Catholics. Accept it! You stay on your side of the fence and we'll stay on ours.
 

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explain

Charity / Love of God!

Deut. 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:

1 cor 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
(All faith = nothing without charity)


1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
(Even above “Faith alone”?)

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Works show you are born again. They do not make you born again. Faith all by itself apart from works is what makes a person born again.
 

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You still never explained the scriptures

Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

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He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Suffering/ fruit bearing doesn't make you born again. Being born again happens when you place your trust in Christ's Sacrifice apart from the merit of any works. Works are the result of being born again by faith apart from the merit of your works.
 
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I fully agree.
Scripture IS profitable for all those things - and it IS Authoritative.

However, this verse in NO way states that it is our SOLE authority.

The Authority of Scripture is Clear.

You would have to throw out several other verses, including Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, and John 20:21-23).

No. Nothing in Scripture needs be thrown out.
No. I did not make that statement, nor do I accept YOU making that claim FOR me.

THANK YOU
for pointing out the "Seventy" that were sent out.

That notice was the very Scripture following the Verse you referenced.
70 particular men sent out, that the Lord appointed. And those 70 returned with report.

Do you have any idea WHO these "Seventy" men were? They were the first leaders and Bishops of the Catholic Church.

• Ideas of The Who the 70 were is one thing...
• Titles of the 70 is another thing...
• Exactly which cities the 70 returned to is another thing...
• Deciding To Establish an exclusive NAME for Christ's Church is another thing...
• Deciding to Establish an exclusive NAME for Christ's Church Members is another thing.

(Hippolytus of Rome)
His work On the Seventy Apostles of Christ lists these men from Luke10:1-23 - by name . . .


Hippolytus (of Rome) "works"? (Of identifying BY NAME, the 70 sent out by Jesus?)

• And where exactly are "his works" (to be found?) whereby one can READ, his authorship and SOURCES, for his works of Naming the 70, Titles, Locations?

1. James the Lord's brother, bishop of Jerusalem.
2. Cleopas, bishop of Jerusalem.
3. Matthias, who supplied the vacant place in the number of the twelve apostles.
4. Thaddeus, who conveyed the epistle to Augarus (Abgar V).
5. Ananias, who baptized Paul, and was Bishop of Damascus.
6. Stephen, the first martyr.
7. Philip, who baptized the eunuch.
8. Prochorus, bishop of Nicomedia, who also was the first that departed, 11 believing together with his daughters.
9. Nicanor died when Stephen was martyred.
10. Timon, bishop of Bostra.
11. Parmenas, bishop of Soli.
12. Nicolaus, bishop of Samaria.
13. Barnabas, bishop of Milan.
14. Mark the Evangelist, bishop of Alexandria.
15. Luke the Evangelist.
16. Silas, bishop of Corinth.
17. Silvanus, bishop of Thessalonica.
18. Crisces (Crescens), bishop of Carchedon in Gaul.
19. Epænetus, bishop of Carthage.
20. Andronicus, bishop of Pannonia.
21. Amplias, bishop of Odyssus.
22. Urban, bishop of Macedonia.
23. Stachys, bishop of Byzantium.
24. Barnabas, bishop of Heraclea
25. Phygellus, bishop of Ephesus. He was of the party also of Simon.
26. Hermogenes. He, too, was of the same mind with the former.
27. Demas, who also became a priest of idols.
28. Apelles, bishop of Smyrna.
29. Aristobulus, bishop of Britain.
30. Narcissus, bishop of Athens.
31. Herodion, bishop of Tarsus.
32. Agabus the prophet.
33. Rufus, bishop of Thebes.
34. Asyncritus, bishop of Hyrcania.
35. Phlegon, bishop of Marathon.
36. Hermes, bishop of Dalmatia.
37. Patrobulus, bishop of Puteoli.
38. Hermas, bishop of Philippi.
39. Linus, bishop of Rome.
40. Caius, bishop of Ephesus.
41. Philologus, bishop of Sinope
42. and 43. Olympus and Rhodion were martyred in Rome.
44. Lucius, bishop of Laodicea in Syria.
45. Jason, bishop of Tarsus.
46. Sosipater, bishop of Iconium
47. Tertius, bishop of Iconium.
48. Erastus, bishop of Panellas.
49. Quartus, bishop of Berytus.
50. Apollos, bishop of Cæsarea.
51. Cephas.
52. Sosthenes, bishop of Colophonia.
53. Tychicus, bishop of Colophonia.
54. Epaphroditus, bishop of Andriace.
55. Cæsar, bishop of Dyrrachium.
56. Mark, cousin to Barnabas, bishop of Apollonia.
57. Justus, bishop of Eleutheropolis.
58. Artemas, bishop of Lystra.
59. Clement, bishop of Sardinia.
60. Onesiphorus, bishop of Corone.
61. Tychicus, bishop of Chalcedon.
62. Carpus, bishop of Berytus in Thrace.
63. Evodus, bishop of Antioch.
64. Aristarchus, bishop of Apamea.
65. Mark, who is also John, bishop of Bibloupolis.
66. Zenas, bishop of Diospolis.
67. Philemon, bishop of Gaza.
68. Aristarchus.
69. Pudes.
70. Trophimus, who was martyred along with Paul.

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Then you are clearly ignorant of what it means rightly divide Scripture.

• All Scripture is True.
• Rightly Dividing Scripture, is Expressly Applicability.
• Applicability, is Expressly per Individual.

Clearly...
1 Pet 2:
[21] For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
[24] Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
[25] For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Clearly, the sheep "going astray" were Jews/Tribes, have "had" God in their Lives, leading them...and wandered off "following" Heathen WAYS.

Jesus came SEEKING the Jews...
Jesus sent out men to continue His seeking.
First in the Synogogs of Jews.
Then to the Jews having lost Godly Adherence.
Later men were sent out to the Gentiles.

Disciples, Disciples of Disciples, Believing Men with the Word of God in their Mouth...
Speaking to the Ears of any willing Listeners...
Christ the Lords Word, Truth, Salvation, Quickening, Example....Follow HIM...
According TO HIS Word.


* The SPEAKERS, (assuming whatever Position...assuming whatever TITLE )
HAD and HAVE an appointed DUTY...

* Their Number ONE DUTY is Conducting "themselves" according TO The "Word OF" Christ Jesus and Preaching the "Word OF" Christ Jesus TO Willing Listeners.

* sure any man assuming a LEADERSHIP position among a GROUP of Listeners...is a weighty TASK... and "their Position among "that Group"...IS paramount to "that group"...
That the one Appointed and Assuming "that position"... IS "LEADING"...EXPRESSLY According to the Word of God.

* sure any man assuming a LEADERSHIP position ... would be "interested" ... want some knowledge... what He is Teaching/Preaching ... IS the Same others ... in other "locations" ARE Teaching/Preaching TO "their" Listeners.

* The Chosen Disciples of Jesus... had believing men, learning from Jesus' Disciples, also being sent out to Cities to Teach willing Listeners.

* Some of those "secondary Disciples" became appointed "Leaders" of Groups Listening and Believing... the Groups "meeting" in fields, homes, buildings...as called "a Church"... wherever "they" gathered was "the gathering of Christ's Church."

• Polycarp is claimed to have been a Disciple of Apostle John.
• Ignatius is claimed to be a "comtemporary" of Polycarp...(implying Ignatius and Polycarp had somewhat similar "Status" of A Leadership Position.)

• Little is known about Ignatius (a Gentile) personally...
However his "ideas" and "advocacy" of a combined Earthly Governmental and Religious type hierarchical appears to be a well embraced and modeled structure... of Gentiles, who call themselves "Catholics", and bestowed "Sainthood upon Ignatius".

Where in Scripture did Jesus teach...the combining of Government and Religion?

Where in Scripture did Jesus teach to promote Anti-Jewish, if the Jews did not Conform and Believe Jesus is their Christ Messiah?
 

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The faith that transforms a person into a born again person is the faith that works. The works come after being born again. The works do not make you born again.


James is not saying works are how a person is born again (justified). Nor is James contradicting Paul who says a man is justified by faith apart from works. James and Paul are using the word 'justified' according to different definitions of the word....

Paul: A person is justified (made righteous/born again) by faith apart from works.

James: A person is justified (shown to be righteous/born again) by works.


Jesus is our only High Priest. You would be remiss to think being an anti-Catholic automatically means a person is in complete agreement with Luther. Your teachers and leaders are your priests. Your Pope is your High Priest. Anti-Catholics have only one Priest; High Priest, Jesus Christ.
And we don’t obtain mercy by being merciful Matt 5
Or forgiveness by charity
Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
(Even above “Faith alone”?)
 

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Suffering/ fruit bearing doesn't make you born again. Being born again happens when you place your trust in Christ's Sacrifice apart from the merit of any works. Works are the result of being born again by faith apart from the merit of your works.

scripture that’s says this

there is no verse that says “accept Jesus as your personal savior “???????

covenant requires an outward sign for initiation
I.e. baptism
 

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The faith that transforms a person into a born again person is the faith that works. The works come after being born again. The works do not make you born again.


James is not saying works are how a person is born again (justified). Nor is James contradicting Paul who says a man is justified by faith apart from works. James and Paul are using the word 'justified' according to different definitions of the word....

Paul: A person is justified (made righteous/born again) by faith apart from works.

James: A person is justified (shown to be righteous/born again) by works.


Jesus is our only High Priest. You would be remiss to think being an anti-Catholic automatically means a person is in complete agreement with Luther. Your teachers and leaders are your priests. Your Pope is your High Priest. Anti-Catholics have only one Priest; High Priest, Jesus Christ.

no it say NOT BY FAITH ALONE!
no by works alone either
Being baptized into Christ in the new covenant with the grace of God makes all our actions meritorious!

phil 1:29 not called to faith alone but to continue the redemption of Christ
 

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The faith that transforms a person into a born again person is the faith that works. The works come after being born again. The works do not make you born again.


James is not saying works are how a person is born again (justified). Nor is James contradicting Paul who says a man is justified by faith apart from works. James and Paul are using the word 'justified' according to different definitions of the word....

Paul: A person is justified (made righteous/born again) by faith apart from works.

James: A person is justified (shown to be righteous/born again) by works.


Jesus is our only High Priest. You would be remiss to think being an anti-Catholic automatically means a person is in complete agreement with Luther. Your teachers and leaders are your priests. Your Pope is your High Priest. Anti-Catholics have only one Priest; High Priest, Jesus Christ.

would Abraham have been justified if he refused circumcision or to offer Isaac?
 

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Jesus, and Jesus alone, is the fulfillment of the type and shadow of the Aaronic Priesthood and the duties of the High Priest. ALL believers fulfill the type and shadow of the remaining Levites in their service to the temple itself.
And yet, you STILL can't refute the passages I presented that prove you wrong.
Jesus is the HIGH Priest (Heb. 4:14-16) - the fulfillment of Aaron Himself.