No authority!

[BreadOfLife]

I'm not angry with you in the slightest, friend. I am trying to point out that your fruit stinks so that you might even become a better person. It takes recognizing that you are a sinner before you can avail yourself of the remedy for sin.

You think that you have publicly exposed me as lying about your beliefs; but the possibility remains that you have been misinformed by your church as to the real facts; and that therefore the things that I have said about the Catholic Church are not lies at all but accurate representations of the truth.

Because if you have been misinformed and are repeating that misinformation, then according to your definition of a lie you have lied about the Catholic Church in that you have repeated misinformation that was given to you by the Catholic Church.

And if you are lying and/or repeating misinformation, then my statements to the contrary are not lies at all but are in all reality corrections of the misinformation that you have reported.

It's not about being "misinformed" by my Church. And it's not about "disagreeing" with what the Catholic Church teaches.
YOU'VE stated things that contrary to what is in the Catechism - which is a lie.

Look - you were caught - get over yourself already.

No, that was an exaggeration.

The rotten fruit that you bear is existent in the fact that you are judgmental and an accuser. This is not the genuine fruit of Christianity; Christianity teaches us to not be judgmental and that satan is the accuser of the brethren; and that therefore if we become accusatory, we are taking on his nature and employment.

Nothing like trying to rationalize your sin, eh . . .

 

[theefaith]

In Acts with the Bereans. Paul preached and they searched the Scriptures!

In Timothy, AllSCRPTURE is given for doctrine
Peter with the more sure word of prophecy.

Paul in Galatians when He warned of others bringing another gospel.

need more?

Why don't you show where modern men have the right to create new doctrine?

we don’t believe in new doctrine
Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

 

[theefaith]

Ah..... Comic relief.
Thank you for posting such a theological joke, Illuminator.

You know, Readers........the Mary obsession, =is taken from the Goddess Diana obsession that flourished in Ephesus before 5ad and up until today.
Today it has a few new titles..
The "cult of the virgin" is a Title switch that isn't a different cult.

1. Diana = Queen of Heaven

2. Mary = Queen of Heaven

All it takes is a little honest investigation, and you can free yourself from the "cult of the Virgin". (Diana Paganism).

And while you are there, do a deep study on "gnostic", .. The Father of......= Valentinus.
This guy WAS/IS Gnosticism, and He almost became POPE at about the same time Diana was becoming Mary.

Check it out, do the research, take being deceived seriously..... and get away from this water cult based on Diana worship, Reader.
It can be done.
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Ah..... Comic relief.
Thank you for posting such a theological joke, Illuminator.

You know, Readers........the Mary obsession, =is taken from the Goddess Diana obsession that flourished in Ephesus before 5ad and up until today.
Today it has a few new titles..
The "cult of the virgin" is a Title switch that isn't a different cult.

1. Diana = Queen of Heaven

2. Mary = Queen of Heaven

All it takes is a little honest investigation, and you can free yourself from the "cult of the Virgin". (Diana Paganism).

And while you are there, do a deep study on "gnostic", .. The Father of......= Valentinus.
This guy WAS/IS Gnosticism, and He almost became POPE at about the same time Diana was becoming Mary.

Check it out, do the research, take being deceived seriously..... and get away from this water cult based on Diana worship, Reader.
It can be done.
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thru our lady of Guadalupe 9 million came to faith in Christ and Mexico is still 95 percent Christian care to explain that!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, the irony, lol!
Ephesians 1:6

And no matter how many times you post this verse - it still doesn't mean Kecharitomene.
It simply shows that you live in denial of the truth . . .

 

[theefaith]

Speaking redundant and retarded insults is all you have left?
Seems so, as this is all you do on the forum.
You can't defend your water cult's doctrine of devils ... 1 Timothy 4:1, so you attack with lame ignorance.

Do you never get tired of trying to hide your water cults Mary Worship and Water Regeneration, lies?
I know you see it, but, you just can't stop, can you.

So, look at it again.
Look at this lying deception that tries to give Mary the authority of Christ.
This IS the "cult of the Virgin's' hellish doctrine.
Why do you want ot keep being a part of what you know is deceit?
Why do you want to keep being a part of a religious system that burned people and created the dark ages?

Here it is again, and this is taken from a Catholic Site as written by:

Mediatrix of All Graces
Author: Father William G. Most

""""For after being assumed into heaven, she has not put aside this saving function, but by her manifold intercession, she continues to win the gifts of eternal salvation for us".

And then it gets worse...

""""""Mary was associated with her Son in acquiring grace for us, she will also share with him in distributing that grace to us. This fits well with the words of the Popes, who call her the administra of grace, meaning that she administers or dispenses it. So Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda semper, said:

"... when He [the Father] has been invoked with excellent prayers, our humble voice turns to Mary; as follows by St. Bernardine of Siena : 'Every grace that is communicated to this world has a threefold course. For by excellent order, it is dispensed from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, from the Virgin to us.""""
-
-

Beautiful
That’s well ordered

 

[BreadOfLife]

Of course, all institutions are run by sinners. Why state the obvious? The question on the table concerns the institution you worship, built by sinners and whether the institution you worship stands over all Christ-followers as an authority with regard to belief and practice. For those with eyes to see, the answer is obviously no.

Well, if YOU think the Church was built by sinners and not Christ as Scripture says (Matt. 16:18) - then I'd LOVE to be there when He asks you to give an account for that remark.

Finally - I don't worship an "institution" - I worship God.
I'm simply a member of the Body of Christ, His Church . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then why do people pray to Mary, angels and saints?

Why do YOU ask people to pray for YOU?
Why do YOU pray for others?
There's your answer.

Why do they give Mary worship? Yes I know about dulea, hyper dulea and veneration. but like the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has the DNA of a duck, its a duck. Back where I grew up there were more catholic chuches dedicated to mary, than to Jesus.

The idea that we "worship" Mary - or anybody other than God is just another anti-Catholic lie.
Don't be so gullible.
The Catechism is online - see for yourself: Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment

As for Dulia and Hyperdullia - NONE of that is about "worship". It's about veneration.
And if you were honest, there are people here on earth that YOU venerate - like your parents, grandparents, those who may have inspired you, whether they're related to you or not.

And show where those in heaven which can see and hear on earth intercede for earthly inhabitants.

Heb. 12:1-2
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

YOUR turn.

 

[BreadOfLife]

From post #893 - here is my answer to YOUR question:
" I would say that John coined the Greek term, "Kecharitomene", under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."

Thank you for your "guess" answer.
Your "guess" carries no weight.
So moving on.
And, unless you can REFUTE that - then it remains a plausible fact . . .

Luke 1:
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Obvious- (by clear EXPRESS Scripture) At some point, Mary's Virgin Womb was chosen, to Receive the Body of Gods Word, that God Prepared for When His Word was to be Sent forth out from God and come into the world in the Likeness As a man.

Obvious that was a "high honor" God bestowed upon Mary, the virgin Woman.

Obviously, you are not studied, as to WHY Mary of all Virgin women, was "highly favored"... indicative ...there were likely numerous Virgin Jewish Females ... but Something About Mary, made her "highly favored".

You should have learned in First grade;
Who, what, when, WHY and where...
Are important factors to consider When trying to Discover the TRUTH of a matter;
Studying to show yourself approved in Rightly Dividing the Truth.

You have grasped ON to Physolophical erroneous teaching.

Not once does Scripture proclaim Mary was Sinless, without sin, had no Sin.

A Highly favored Earthling does not mean a SINLESS Earthling.
An Earthling Chosen to Serve God, does
not mean a SINLESS Earthling.

Numerous times Scripture EXPRESSLY reveals Gods Word, God sent forth out of His Mouth, in the Body He Prepared, was without Sin.

Your "so called mountain Evidence of Earthly Scholars"... is but "Opinions" of Earthly men, I do not know, or studied their Works, or know what they Studied, or how they concluded "their Opinions".

I don't have any "need" to study Opinions of some unknown (to me) men;
I have A Book of Scriptural Writings; God Approved, for me.

And the Book God Approved for me...
Is Clear...all Earthlings have Sinned.

Nothing whatsoever Excluded Mary, from being an Earthling.

Not arguing with you about "your reliance on a mountain of Opinions, from Scholars you Trust"...

Expressly saying, I reject "your Earthly Scholars Opinions".
I trust Scriptures Truth OVER your "Earthly Scholars Opinions".

No need to get all whiney, because You have presented Nothing from Scripture that Supports your "Theory", that Mary was SINLESS.

Rom 3:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

No Earthlings Exclusion!

Once again - you've failed to refute Mary's title of Kecharitomene.

And I never claimed that the "mountain of scholarly evidence" I presented was anything but LINGUISTIC proof.
SOME of them are Bible scholars as well as linguists - and some of them are just linguists. ALL of them are more qualified that YOU . . .

Tell me something, Einstein - you keep saying that you don't have "ANY need" for their opinions - yet you TRUST the linguists who translated the KJV. WHY is that??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Matt 2:
[2] Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
[3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

All in Jerusalem were troubl-ED.
All were Concerned, Worried.
The message is clear...
There was a present King (Herod), who was over the Romans and Jews.
The news of another King, over the Jews, in the news about be born.
Yes, all were worried, concerned, troubled...
What was going to happen with two Kings present.
Guess you do not know history ...
TWO Kings do not rule the same lands, they battle for control. Battle means war.
Typical for people to be concerned, worried, troubled at the prospects of a possible war.

You think little children are unaware, of a Coming troubled matter?
You think they are unaware ... hearing, seeing, talk, preparations...for a Coming crop destruction/ food shortage; for a Coming Weather Storm/ sheltering; a Potiental War/ preparation?
If so, you are native. People of young age, old age, diminished mental capacity can recognize a change in normal routine.

I don't expect by your posts, you have learned to do as Scripture says;

2 Tim 2:
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Like I said - if you actually believe that ALL of the BABIES in Jerusalem were "troubled" by the visit from the Magi - then you don't know how to rightly divide Scripture. Mathhew is using inclusive language like so many other examples in Scripture:

Romans 15:14
“I myself am satisfied about you, my brethren, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with ALL knowledge, and able to instruct one another.”
Ummmm, I thought only GOD has ALL knowledge. Is Paul telling the Romans that EACH of them knows ALL – like God does?

1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam ALL die, so also in Christ shall ALL be made alive.”
And the Bible tells us that Enoch and Elijah did not die, Genesis 5:24 and 2 Kings 2:11.

Hebrews 11:5
“By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had taken him.”
Do ALL choose to follow God??

Romans 1:29
“Being filled with ALL unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers”
Does every wicked person do ALL things that are wrong? Are they ALL fornicators and murderers and gossips?

Matthew 3:5-6
“Then went out to him [John the Baptist] Jerusalem and ALL Judea and ALL the region about the Jordan, and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.”
And yet did “ALL” Jerusalem go out to him? How about the Pharisees? Did THEY go?

Matthew 26:56
“ … Then ALL the disciples left him [Jesus] and fled.”
Ummm, “ALL” the disciples weren’t even there.

So, instead of going on your psychoitic rants - STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Speaking redundant and retarded insults is all you have left?
Seems so, as this is all you do on the forum.
You can't defend your water cult's doctrine of devils ... 1 Timothy 4:1, so you attack with lame ignorance.

Do you never get tired of trying to hide your water cults Mary Worship and Water Regeneration, lies?
I know you see it, but, you just can't stop, can you.

So, look at it again.
Look at this lying deception that tries to give Mary the authority of Christ.
This IS the "cult of the Virgin's' hellish doctrine.
Why do you want ot keep being a part of what you know is deceit?
Why do you want to keep being a part of a religious system that burned people and created the dark ages?

Here it is again, and this is taken from a Catholic Site as written by:

Mediatrix of All Graces
Author: Father William G. Most

""""For after being assumed into heaven, she has not put aside this saving function, but by her manifold intercession, she continues to win the gifts of eternal salvation for us".

And then it gets worse...

""""""Mary was associated with her Son in acquiring grace for us, she will also share with him in distributing that grace to us. This fits well with the words of the Popes, who call her the administra of grace, meaning that she administers or dispenses it. So Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda semper, said:

"... when He [the Father] has been invoked with excellent prayers, our humble voice turns to Mary; as follows by St. Bernardine of Siena : 'Every grace that is communicated to this world has a threefold course. For by excellent order, it is dispensed from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, from the Virgin to us.""""
-
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Soooo, you couldn't refute my obliteration of your idiotic claims about kissing statues, eh?
That's what I thought . . .

The picture above simply shows a man in a posture of intercessory prayer.
"Worship" of anybody or anyTHING other than God is strictly forbidden and always HAS been: Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment

Do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL -
You have a little narssistic, Transparent, worn out, laughable System.
People who do not agree with your teaching;
You declare them anti-Catholic...
Then you declare them all liars.

THANK YOU for proving my point that SOME of you simply LIE when you've lost an argument.
It's never anough to just disagree.

Funny - I never have these kinds of issues with honest Protestant posters here like @amadeus and others . . .

 

[theefaith]

@ Ronald Nolette

Begin a Lie, Build on a Lie.

The Lie...Mary SINLESS.
Building on the Lie.

Ignatius - appointed Bishop of the early church in Antioch...

FEW of his writings remain, however his Opinions and Church Structure Remains in what men call Catholic churches.

Ignatius' Opinion was: a Church, with a Government type Structure;
A Bishop of a Church is the God of the Church.
Deacons of a Church are the Christ's of the Church.
Disciples of the Church are the Members of the Church.

• How EXTRA-ordinarily Clever, to Declare a WHO fills what Role...in a man-made Church.

The Bishop- equal with God.
Don't challenge what God Says-
Therefore Do Not Challenge what the Bishop says.

• So Time travel...Back into History.
Moses' difficulty teaching men, about what they Could not SEE.
Job and other teachers, same difficulty.

•Ignatius' "clever" idea.

• Uh oh...People at Large beginning to read, books being printed...buzz about....
Where does Scripture say Mary was SINLESS?
Inconveniently...NOT IN Scripture.

•Pope Pius IX (Bishop of Rome) on December 8, 1854, issued a proclamation ex cathedra claiming that it had been revealed to him by God that Mary was conceived without sin.

Well there ya go...the Catholics "Earthly Bishop has Spoken"... must be true...
LOL!!!

Oh, now, now....forget that Jesus (Gods Truth) never proclaimed, taught, or sent His Disciples out to Teach Any such nonsense.

:

Why do YOU ask people to pray for YOU?
Why do YOU pray for others?
There's your answer.

The idea that we "worship" Mary - or anybody other than God is just another anti-Catholic lie.
Don't be so gullible.
The Catechism is online - see for yourself: Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment

As for Dulia and Hyperdullia - NONE of that is about "worship". It's about veneration.
And if you were honest, there are people here on earth that YOU venerate - like your parents, grandparents, those who may have inspired you, whether they're related to you or not.

Heb. 12:1-2
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

YOUR turn.

The real question is why don’t you worship God?

you have no altar
No sacrifice
No propitiation
No reparation
No candles, incense,
No offering
No holy communion

 

[Ronald Nolette]

•From the beginning- men have been chosen BY God, to Hear Gods Word; then Teach Gods Word to "other" men.

•NOT a Big Secret...the "other" men "hearing" "Doubted what THEY could NOT SEE"

•Moses complained, Job complained...
Men would not Believe "their" preaching "without" Seeing.

Gentile men, who began following Jesus' Chosen Jewish Disciples...and such Gentile men, Beginning to foster the building of Churches, inviting men to come and HEAR, the Gospel of Jesus....

UH..."they", those Teachers, encountered the Same Problem...People "hearing", Doubted, what they "could not see".

The "problem" became "magnified"...
Preaching...The Holy Sinnless Jesus, was born out of the Womb, of an Earthly Woman...

• Yikes, a Bigger Problem...How were "teachers" going to "convince" the People "hearing" that;
A SINLESS body came forth out of A Sinful woman's Womb????

•As the Disciples of Jesus were physically dying off, and several "Gentile men" had been appointed "head" positions in the Churches being established...

•Yet Again...preaching Gods Truth to the People at Large Became Difficult...Because...
It MADE NO "LOGICAL SENSE", that a "Holy SINLESS Babe", could be Born forth from a "Sinful woman's Womb".

•Thus the MOST "egregious" Corrupt Plot was hatched...."Preach, Mary was "an Earthly Human"....But "Supernaturally Excluded from being "Tainted", with Sin"!

•There! Gods Supernatural Exclusion for Mary; problem Solved!
( pssst...who's the wiser, the People at large, can't read...shhh....more deception to follow )

Begin a Lie, build on a Lie!!!

And that is how teh church has become the apostate entity it is externally in the world today!

The truth is the truth and it is empowered by god. If people do not like it because it doesn't seem logical?.........Too bad!!!!!
Rather be hated by people and loved by god for standing firm on the truth!

 

[theefaith]

And that is how teh church has become the apostate entity it is externally in the world today!

The truth is the truth and it is empowered by god. If people do not like it because it doesn't seem logical?.........Too bad!!!!!
Rather be hated by people and loved by god for standing firm on the truth!

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Sinless immaculate!

Anything consecrated to God’s service must be immaculate pure and Holy!

Ex 25:11 And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.

Incorruptible wood covered in pure gold
Symbolic of immaculate purity and holiness!

Anything consecrated to God for His service cannot be used in an ordinary way or ordinary use.

Mary is consecrated to for His service, pure immaculate holy!

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Total war none of his works are found in Her!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Rev 12:1 great sign (Isa 7:14 a sign) woman clothed with the sun.
Immaculate purity

Rev 12: 7 queen of the angels

Again total war between Mary and Satan!
Rev 12:13

 

[Ronald Nolette]

we don’t believe in new doctrine
Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

If you believe in the assumption of Mary and the Immaculate Conception and the veneration of saints, and the transubstantiation you do!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why do YOU ask people to pray for YOU?
Why do YOU pray for others?
There's your answer.

The idea that we "worship" Mary - or anybody other than God is just another anti-Catholic lie.
Don't be so gullible.
The Catechism is online - see for yourself: Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment

As for Dulia and Hyperdullia - NONE of that is about "worship". It's about veneration.
And if you were honest, there are people here on earth that YOU venerate - like your parents, grandparents, those who may have inspired you, whether they're related to you or not.

Heb. 12:1-2
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

YOUR turn.

But I do not call my parents the Queen of Heaven, Co-mediatrix, co-redemptrix, nor pray a rosary to them, nor have novenas to them. As k the average catholic and they will tell you they pray to Mary and the saints. Ask the average priest, they will say the same. Once again, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck- its a duck!

also I do not believe my parents were conceived without a sin anture and preserved from ever sinning their whole lives. I also do not have masses dedicated to my parents heart. Also my parents did not tell me to pray a prayer to them and to dedicate a nation to their immaculate heart!

Being surrounded by these by witnesses does not mean the saints in heaven intercede for people on earth!

Feast Days of Mary


January 1

—

Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God *

January 8

—

Our Lady of Prompt Succor

February 2

—

Presentation of the Lord

February 11

—

Our Lady of Lourdes

March 25

—

Annunciation

May 13

—

Our Lady of Fatima

May 31

—

Visitation

June 27

—

Our Mother of Perpetual Help

July 16

—

Our Lady of Mount Carmel

August 15

—

Assumption *

August 22

—

Queenship of Mary

September 8

—

Birth of Mary

September 12

—

The Most Holy Name of Mary

September 15

—

Our Lady of Sorrows

October 7

—

Our Lady of the Rosary

November 21

—

Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

December 8

—

Immaculate Conception *

December 12

—

Our Lady of Guadalupe

* Holy day of Obligation

also the Catholic church has 17 novenas to Mary and only one to jesus! HMM?

Some of the Catholic prayers to Mary:

• Memorare
• The Loreto Litanies
• The Angelus
• Hail Mary
• Regina Coeli
• Magnificat
• Consecration to Mary
• Ave Maria
• Salve Regina
• Hail Holy Queen
• The Memorare by St. Bernard of Clairvaux
• Act of Consecration
• The Fiat (Yes) Prayer
• Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (1)
• Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (2)
• Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (3)
• Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (4)
• Consecration to our Lady of Sorrows
• Act of consecration to our Lady of the Miraculous Medal
• Prayer to Mary, our Lady of Guadalupe
• Prayer to Mary, our Lady of Good Counsel
• Prayer to the Blessed Virgin of Mt. Carmel
• Prayer to Mary, Our Lady of Sorrows
• Prayer to Our Lady Of The Assumption
• Prayer to Mary, our Lady of Walsingham (England)
• Prayer to Mary, Refuge of Sinners
• Stabat Mater Dolorosa (To Mary next to her crucified Son)
• Divine Praises for the Blessed Mother of God

Your turn

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The real question is why don’t you worship God?

you have no altar
No sacrifice
No propitiation
No reparation
No candles, incense,
No offering
No holy communion

See it is like this: The true worshippers of God no longer need those OT props. And we have a sacrifice- the one time death of jesus! And the reason why we have an empty cross inour churches is because He is no longer on the cross but has risen indeed! We celebrate both his death and resurrection.
John 4:19-24
King James Version

19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[theefaith]

If you believe in the assumption of Mary and the Immaculate Conception and the veneration of saints, and the transubstantiation you do!

no you misunderstood
These are only defined and decreed at a certain time, example assumption 1950 but is part of the deposit of faith handed to peter and the apostles by Christ (Jude 1:3) always believed by the church
The assumption having and annual feast from the early church

 

[theefaith]

But I do not call my parents the Queen of Heaven, Co-mediatrix, co-redemptrix, nor pray a rosary to them, nor have novenas to them. As k the average catholic and they will tell you they pray to Mary and the saints. Ask the average priest, they will say the same. Once again, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck- its a duck!

also I do not believe my parents were conceived without a sin anture and preserved from ever sinning their whole lives. I also do not have masses dedicated to my parents heart. Also my parents did not tell me to pray a prayer to them and to dedicate a nation to their immaculate heart!

Being surrounded by these by witnesses does not mean the saints in heaven intercede for people on earth!

Feast Days of Mary


January 1

—

Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God *

January 8

—

Our Lady of Prompt Succor

February 2

—

Presentation of the Lord

February 11

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Our Lady of Lourdes

March 25

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Annunciation

May 13

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Our Lady of Fatima

May 31

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Visitation

June 27

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Our Mother of Perpetual Help

July 16

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Our Lady of Mount Carmel

August 15

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Assumption *

August 22

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Queenship of Mary

September 8

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Birth of Mary

September 12

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The Most Holy Name of Mary

September 15

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Our Lady of Sorrows

October 7

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Our Lady of the Rosary

November 21

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Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

December 8

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Immaculate Conception *

December 12

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Our Lady of Guadalupe

* Holy day of Obligation

also the Catholic church has 17 novenas to Mary and only one to jesus! HMM?

Some of the Catholic prayers to Mary:

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  • Memorare
  • The Loreto Litanies
  • The Angelus
  • Hail Mary
  • Regina Coeli
  • Magnificat
  • Consecration to Mary
  • Ave Maria
  • Salve Regina
  • Hail Holy Queen
  • The Memorare by St. Bernard of Clairvaux
  • Act of Consecration
  • The Fiat (Yes) Prayer
  • Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (1)
  • Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (2)
  • Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (3)
  • Prayer to the Immaculate Conception (4)
  • Consecration to our Lady of Sorrows
  • Act of consecration to our Lady of the Miraculous Medal
  • Prayer to Mary, our Lady of Guadalupe
  • Prayer to Mary, our Lady of Good Counsel
  • Prayer to the Blessed Virgin of Mt. Carmel
  • Prayer to Mary, Our Lady of Sorrows
  • Prayer to Our Lady Of The Assumption
  • Prayer to Mary, our Lady of Walsingham (England)
  • Prayer to Mary, Refuge of Sinners
  • Stabat Mater Dolorosa (To Mary next to her crucified Son)
  • Divine Praises for the Blessed Mother of God

Your turn

Rev 5:8

 

[justbyfaith]

Every time you say the Lord’s Prayer you are praying for the establishment of the catholic faith

No...we are praying for the Lord's will to be done...

We are not praying for people to get away scott-free with molesting children and other such sins of the Catholic Church to have sway in this world.

It's not about being "misinformed" by my Church. And it's not about "disagreeing" with what the Catholic Church teaches.
YOU'VE stated things that contrary to what is in the Catechism - which is a lie.

Look - you were caught - get over yourself already.

You are not considering that what is in the catechism might be a lie...and if it is, then to contradict what is written therein is not to lie.

But I know that you are blinded by your devotion to your religion and would never consider that as a possibility.

However, in my own defense, I personally do not believe in the infallibility of the Catechism;

And for those who also do not believe in its infallibility my defense is valid in that I am saying that whatever I am saying in contradiction to the Catechism is true and not a lie; because the Catechism is in error as concerning what I have spoken.

And the Lord Jesus Christ Himself knows that the Catechism is in error as concerning certain doctrines.

Nothing like trying to rationalize your sin, eh . . .

Say what you want...I believe that you are basically "out to get me" with some kind of accusation and will not rest until you have found an accusation that sticks...just like your father.