new version of OSAS?

[Corlove13]

You are studying well if I may say. Just let me add that water baptism is a statement of our faith and a public confession that we are told to make. Blessings to you.

I found this about Jewish baptism, and we know John the Baptist was baptising before Christ began his ministry, so I assume baptism was already being practised? Possibly Jewish baptism was a ritual physical cleansing?

An ancient Mikveh (bath used for ritual immersion in Judaism) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem

Although the term "baptism" is not used to describe the Jewish rituals, the purification rites in Halakha Jewish law and tradition, called tvilah, have some similarity to baptism, and the two have been linked.

The tvilah is the act of immersion in natural sourced water, called a mikva. In the Jewish Bible and other Jewish texts, immersion in water for ritual purification was established for restoration to a condition of "ritual purity" in specific circumstances. For example, Jews who (according to the Law of Moses) became ritually defiled by contact with a corpse had to use the mikvah before being allowed to participate in the Holy Temple. Immersion is required for converts to Judaism.

Immersion in the mikvah represents a change in status in regard to purification, restoration, and qualification for full religious participation in the life of the community, ensuring that the cleansed person will not impose uncleanness on property or its owners.

It did not become customary, however, to immerse converts to Judaism until after the Babylonian Captivity. This change of status by the mikvah could be obtained repeatedly, while Christian baptism, like circumcision, is, in the general view of Christians, unique and not repeatable. Even the so-called rebaptism by some Christian denominations is not seen by them as a repetition of an earlier valid baptism and is viewed by them as not itself repeatable.

During the Second Temple period the Greek noun baptmos was used to refer to ritual washing in Hellenistic Judaism.

History of baptism - Wikipedia

Well let's look at the so called "Great Commission "
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



For myself, rather this is metaphorically commanded...

I believe it means to immerse them in connection with the Trinity.....

Go make students/followers by immersing them in the trinity....teaching them to observe all thing I have commanded you.

Take Abraham the Father of faith...

God tells Him to walk Before Him blameless.
He said He was Abraham's reward and shield.

It was Abrsham's walk that was part of His faith,
And when we continue we are remaining faithful. Yet we do not continue by our own power, but the power of God's love......

So it's not by works to be righteous even after we are called out by His name[in connection with who He is, because He has given us His Spirit] The works are a result of Love. Knowing this does not come by intellectualization....as many OSASers do. And they do so because that is the output or result that is yielded from their foundation of believing something Jesus did to secure heaven when they die. Even that is essentially important, the foundation is not what He did but a Who, believing on JESUS as one who has say over everything....etc.....

So back to Abraham...if we are to see Baptism as(immersed in the presence of God[trinity]
Then we will also find as we observe the things He said we know God is with us and our Joy will be full.....This to me is a clear conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus. (These are only my thoughts it's something we must live to find out) Not intellectualized... I'll come back to this..in next post.

If some Osasers in here really understood that the reason they have the pride and boast ...was because they put their trust in a system of beliefs....Meaning it is something you must believe , "that once you are saved you are always saved"...because they are taught that if you believe Jesus took away your sins, you have heaven when you die, and therefore He did it all and we do nothing; They would see they are believing something in order to be saved...Which means salvation for them has come by what they themselves believe, which is works salvation that comes by what they believe Jesus did, rather than Trusting the one who did it....

I did not know I was the pharasees, with all that comes with pride, in what I did, which was trust in that belief system. This is why you find that type of pharasee energy here, and why people believe they can say hurtful things to others that God also loves.

Because they are doing something for salvation.....

Listen carefully..those who are reading this

Salvation(regeneration) is not tied up in what you do:

By do for you, meaning many Osasers

Salvation is not by our direct effort

Salvation is not of ourselves

And yet for many OSASers....their doing is that you must believe

That makes what you must believe about what Jesus did to secure salvation...... your direct effort.. ..which is you must believe a "what"....instead of the one who did the what- as foundation.

That means you are working for your salvation...

Because if you stop believing that doctrine...
then you are not saved........

Do you see...how "believing" what He did....as foundation makes you...the subject of your own righteousness?

 

[Corlove13]

Do you see...how "believing" what He did....as foundation makes you...the subject of your own righteousness?

...............................
This above...has wide range effects and here is one:
I remember...I would sometimes have to convince myself...by saying.....I do believe, I do believe, I do believe....over and over again.

Why because If I did not believe I was not saved...

Now here is where there would be a lot of reason for doubt; WHICH IS THERE REALLY ANY FOUNDATION BUILT ON DOUBT? CAN YOU GROW AND REMAIN...WITH A FOUNDATION THAT IS OF YOURSELF?

Then under Osas...when I would do something... I said I had to stop, because I was working for salvation. Boy was that confusing.

 

[Cooper]

Well let's look at the so called "Great Commission "
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



For myself, rather this is metaphorically commanded...

I believe it means to immerse them in connection with the Trinity.....

Go make students/followers by immersing them in the trinity....teaching them to observe all thing I have commanded you.

Take Abraham the Father of faith...

God tells Him to walk Before Him blameless.
He said He was Abraham's reward and shield.

It was Abrsham's walk that was part of His faith,
And when we continue we are remaining faithful. Yet we do not continue by our own power, but the power of God's love......

So it's not by works to be righteous even after we are called out by His name[in connection with who He is, because He has given us His Spirit] The works are a result of Love. Knowing this does not come by intellectualization....as many OSASers do. And they do so because that is the output or result that is yielded from their foundation of believing something Jesus did to secure heaven when they die. Even that is essentially important, the foundation is not what He did but a Who, believing on JESUS as one who has say over everything....etc.....

So back to Abraham...if we are to see Baptism as(immersed in the presence of God[trinity]
Then we will also find as we observe the things He said we know God is with us and our Joy will be full.....This to me is a clear conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus. (These are only my thoughts it's something we must live to find out) Not intellectualized... I'll come back to this..in next post.

If some Osasers in here really understood that the reason they have the pride and boast ...was because they put their trust in a system of beliefs....Meaning it is something you must believe , "that once you are saved you are always saved"...because they are taught that if you believe Jesus took away your sins, you have heaven when you die, and therefore He did it all and we do nothing; They would see they are believing something in order to be saved...Which means salvation for them has come by what they themselves believe, which is works salvation that comes by what they believe Jesus did, rather than Trusting the one who did it....

I did not know I was the pharasees, with all that comes with pride, in what I did, which was trust in that belief system. This is why you find that type of pharasee energy here, and why people believe they can say hurtful things to others that God also loves.

Because they are doing something for salvation.....

Listen carefully..those who are reading this

Salvation(regeneration) is not tied up in what you do:

By do for you, meaning many Osasers

Salvation is not by our direct effort

Salvation is not of ourselves

And yet for many OSASers....their doing is that you must believe

That makes what you must believe about what Jesus did to secure salvation...... your direct effort.. ..which is you must believe a "what"....instead of the one who did the what- as foundation.

That means you are working for your salvation...

Because if you stop believing that doctrine...
then you are not saved........

Do you see...how "believing" what He did....as foundation makes you...the subject of your own righteousness?

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In Matthew 28:16-20 Jesus gave us three commandments in the Great Commission.

1. “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations.” Spread the word. Evangelise.

2. Baptise, the second commandment in which the person being baptised acknowledges that God is their (1) FATHER, (2) their LORD AND SAVIOUR, (3) that HIS PRESENCE the Holy Spirit indwells, empowers, and teaches. (Immerse is good.)

Notice that Jesus says to baptise in the NAME (SINGULAR) of the One Almighty God, who is our heavenly (1) FATHER, in the (2) FLESH, and is with us now in (3) SPIRIT.

3. The third commandment is to TEACH. This goes beyond evangelism; it is not enough to simply make converts and let them fend for themselves. They must be taught to obey the commandments of Christ as found in the NT. This goes beyond OSAS teaching. They seem to think that being obedient to GOD is works. No, it is not works, it is OBEDIENCE and those who are not obedient are in for a terrible shock.

Jesus then added the promise that He would be present with His disciples until the end of the age. They would not be alone, nor would he leave them or forsake them.

When you said "immerse" I immediately thought of His all enveloping love, power and majesty, that will go with His servants until the end of the age. God bless, and keep studying and praying.
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[Corlove13]

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In Matthew 28:16-20 Jesus gave us three commandments in the Great Commission.

1. “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations.” Spread the word. Evangelise.

2. Baptise, the second commandment in which the person being baptised acknowledges that God is their (1) FATHER, (2) their LORD AND SAVIOUR, (3) that HIS PRESENCE the Holy Spirit indwells, empowers, and teaches. (Immerse is good.)

Notice that Jesus says to baptise in the NAME (SINGULAR) of the One Almighty God, who is our heavenly (1) FATHER, in the (2) FLESH, and is with us now in (3) SPIRIT.

3. The third commandment is to TEACH. This goes beyond evangelism; it is not enough to simply make converts and let them fend for themselves. They must be taught to obey the commandments of Christ as found in the NT. This goes beyond OSAS teaching. They seem to think that being obedient to GOD is works. No, it is not works, it is OBEDIENCE and those who are not obedient are in for a terrible shock.

Jesus then added the promise that He would be present with His disciples until the end of the age. They would not be alone, nor would he leave them or forsake them.

When you said "immerse" I immediately thought of His all enveloping love, power and majesty, that will go with His servants until the end of the age. God bless, and keep studying and praying.
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"When you said "immerse" I immediately thought of His all enveloping love, power and majesty, that will go with His servants until the end of the age. God bless, and keep studying and praying."

Yes...yes and yes....the main point

 

[Michiah-Imla]

can you please answer why paul would call these sinning Christians babes if they could not sin?

They weren’t Christians yet.

Because:

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin." (1 John 3:9)

That’s the point!

Just like the Galatians weren’t:

"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you" (Galatians 4:19)

It’s obvious. Because he even goes so far as to say this:

"Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves." (2 Corinthians 13:5)

 

[amigo de christo]

Abraham was justified because he obeyed God.

Wow.....How much “ guts” it must take to deliberately misquote the Bible in a Christian Discussion group ....” guts” that you will answer for someday...

“ Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted for Righteousness”

now this makes a great topic . True belief verses dead belief .
True faith verses dead faith .
True love verses false sensual love .
We see where james says , EVEN the devils Believe . Even i once believed . But it was not TRUE . Yes my head believed
through knowledge . But my heart was far from Him . THEN later by grace GOD would lead to me TO TRUE BELIEF
to TRUE FAITH . TRUE AGAPE LOVE and not the sensual love of this world which i once had .
TRUE BELIEF , WOULD HAVE OBEDIANCE . TRUE LOVE IS OBEDIANCE . TRUE FAITH IS OBEDIANCE .
FOR if one has the SPIRIT , would it not give them both the desire and ability to DO SO . Exactly BB .
Now remember its a not a sin to warn folks TO BE DOERS and not hearers only . OR james , EVEN JESUS himself and paul and others
would have been in error . THEY ALL WARNED one must continue in Christ to the end . THEY all warned
Not to deny Christ . AND paul knew what that entailed . Cause by NOT DOING , we DO DENY HIM .
JUST as paul said , But he who provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has denied , THE FAITH
and is worse than an infidel .

 

[Corlove13]

now this makes a great topic . True belief verses dead belief .
True faith verses dead faith .
True love verses false sensual love .
We see where james says , EVEN the devils Believe . Even i once believed . But it was not TRUE . Yes my head believed
through knowledge . But my heart was far from Him . THEN later by grace GOD would lead to me TO TRUE BELIEF
to TRUE FAITH . TRUE AGAPE LOVE and not the sensual love of this world which i once had .
TRUE BELIEF , WOULD HAVE OBEDIANCE . TRUE LOVE IS OBEDIANCE . TRUE FAITH IS OBEDIANCE .
FOR if one has the SPIRIT , would it not give them both the desire and ability to DO SO . Exactly BB .
Now remember its a not a sin to warn folks TO BE DOERS and not hearers only . OR james , EVEN JESUS himself and paul and others
would have been in error . THEY ALL WARNED one must continue in Christ to the end . THEY all warned
Not to deny Christ . AND paul knew what that entailed . Cause by NOT DOING , we DO DENY HIM .
JUST as paul said , But he who provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has denied , THE FAITH
and is worse than an infidel .

My spouse and I just got through talking about that.....belief....and the belief that saves

 

[Taken]

[QUOTE="Tong2020, post: 1066486, member: 8685]
Half the equation? Not a binding agreement? It seems to me that you have very different view of what salvation is. [/QUOTE]

It appears I have a very different view from you regarding Receiving Salvation.

Again you seem to have a very different view of what salvation is.

Again it certainly appears I have a very different view from you regarding Receiving Salvation.

Gods Gift of Salvation IS AN OFFERING.
His Gift,
His Offering,
His Terms,
His Way,
His Order.

If you are slightly familiar with CONTRACTS, AGREEMENTS, CONSENTS "among men.." Maybe Knowing THAT ^ you might understand my point of view.

A "man" by his Authority creates a Document, creates WHAT he IS agreeable with, according to his Terms, his Language, his Way, his Order....
A "man" OFFERS "something" (a job, a loan, etc.) to "another man".
The "other" man decides "IF" he may be interested in the Offer (a job, loan, etc.)
The "other" man READS the Terms, Language, Way, Order, IN THE DOCUMENT.
The "other' man decides and CHOOSES, "IF" he is Willing to Be "in Agreement" with the Contract, in order to RECEIVE the "mans" OFFERING.
"IF" the other man AGREES....he Authorizes, Consents to, Agrees with the "Contract" and Agrees to abide to the terms of the "Contract".
(Years ago, men gave VERBAL offerings of Contracts, and Other men gave VERBAL agreements.
Men such as they are (LIARS), would default on their Agreements.
Men such as they are (hate being Cheated), established requirements for Authorized (SIGNED by their Seal or Name) WRITTEN on the Contracts...
AND,
the Agreeing Party ALSO Authorized by their own (Signed by their Seal or Name) on the Contract.

With each Agreeing, One is authorizing the other to Actually Hire him, Loan to him., with guarantee of being hired, receiving a loan.
Which then, each man having a copy of the Contract....Each Holds Proof of each man's Agreement by Word and Sign, of exactly what they Agreed to do, and could be held lawfully libel and accountable for failure to comply. *Consequences of NOT fulfilling the Contract.
A man may agree TO provide work, then not do it...
A man may agree TO work, then not do it...
FAILURE on both parties.


Now put that in perspective of a SPIRiTUAL CONTEXT.
By Gods Authority;
God Offers SALVATION & QUICKENING. +
God Expressly reveals His Terms.
God Expressly reveals His Way.
God Expressly reveals His Order.
* ANY man WHO chooses to HEAR, LEARN, EXAMINE, MULL OVER, All God is Offering, All the Terms, the Way, the Order....
* AND Elects/Chooses to "ACCEPT" Gods Offering....
{WHAT?}...sign a contract,? No.
* then HOW DOES ONE AGREE, AUTHORIZE, CONSENT for God to GIVE THEM WHAT He Offered?
* Already told you. A mans "WORD".
(Not a secret, men LIE.
(Not a secret, God is All knowing, and cannot be fooled.
(Men may be fooled, but God is never fooled).
* A true Heartful Agreement, Commitment, Consent, Election of a man...
IS Once and Forever.
(No quitting, No changing your mind, No divorcing and leaving God, No then choosing other gods....It's a Forever Commitment....
* and WHY when men ARE hearing and learning about Gods Offerings, Terms, Way, Order....man is expressly taught, TO BE diligent and ASSURED of their Election TO AGREE AND COMMIT.

And in the two times I asked you the question, there was not a hint of anything about what God does, except that, God made you an offer. And that’s it with God’s part. Then it is all up to you, your choosing.

Several times I have said "Gods Works".
If you need a brief summary ASK.
If you need a detail list, Read, Study Scripture.

Such view could only be

Take a hint from Scripture. You know not the length, depth of my reading, studying, or understanding. (Nor I yours).
Men are all different. Some Hear, read, study the word of God 2x per year, 52 x per year, others daily.
By consequence, their Walk on the Spiritual path is different distances, different understanding.

If one fallen man was chosen by God to save, it is God who will accomplish that, and not the man chosen.

So, are you saying now, God will MAKE a man (Against God), choose God?

All of Gods Offerings, are through Truth, Goodness, Righteousness....not trickery or force.

And God accomplishes that consistent with what is good and consistent with His divine nature, and according to His will, purpose, pleasure, and glory. And God accomplishes that without forcing the man,

Agree.

God puts many good things and blessings in the path of a nonbeliever. But yet, all will not give Him the credit, the glory, the recognition.
They are they who are called but not chosen of God....Because THEY rejected choosing Him.
ie... many are called few are chosen

Why or how does a fallen man gets to choose to believe in God?

Freewill.

The answer is not found in the man, but in God. He gets to choose to believe in God because God had done something supernatural and spiritual in him.

Disagree.
Gods Spirit "IN" a man is a GIFT given to a man WHO HAS CONSENTED to Be Converted.
And can NEVER Leave God.

You are talking about "Gods Spirit "WITH" a man who IS Hearing the Word of God, receiving Faith and Blessing for HEARING.
Which is the SAME man who can STOP hearing, receiving faith at ANY TIME.

 

[Taken]

You said that when you submitted to the Lord God, you gave Him authority to KEEP His Promises to you. So you gave God authority?

As I pointed out, no man gives God authority. He has all authority. He is God from whom all authority comes.

You are confused...
He has all authority?
He is God from whom all authority comes?
.....Authority comes....TO WHOM?

Explain ... "Authority comes"...

 

[Taken]

Salvation wasn’t offered by God.

Uh .... astounded at your comment!
Salvation is a gift of God Offered to men.

 

[Taken]

Man was not offered free will.

Man was created and MADE with free will.

The commandment of God to Adam in Gen.2:16-17 indicates that he was created having a will of his own.

Man was Created, with flesh, bones, tissue, organs, blood, mind, ears, eyes, nose, mouth,.... now stop a minute....
THINK...
How can that THING ^ neither alive nor dead, have freewill to Choose anything?

Immediately after God Created man, God MADE the man Alive, with Gods Breath.
Oh.....okay, NOW the mans BLOOD begins flowing (which IS a natural mans Life...stop the Blood flow and that man will cease living)
The eyes See, The nose Smells, The ears Hear, the Flesh feels, The heart beats, The organs function, Air is breathed....
Man was not created with freewill.
Man was MADE to have freewill, when his mind was MADE alive.
Get it?
Created is one thing.
Made is another thing.

His eating of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil or his not keeping the commandment clearly proves his having a will of his own. Of course, his keeping the commandment also proves that as well.

Correct. Already covered that.

Are you trying to say that before God gave commandment to Adam in Gen.2:16-17, that Adam had no will of his own? And if you say that God offered Adam free will, does Adam have a choice to accept or not?

I didn't say that.
Freewill was not an offering, it was Gods handiworks of MAKING.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[Taken]

What context would change the thought in what you said? In any context, the thought that you authorized God so that He can do what he could not otherwise do, remains.

You are hung up on the world authority.

If you DO NOT give God by the Authority OF your Word, your Consent, your Agreement,
FOR GOD TO SAVE YOU....

What is YOUR POINT....God CAN or WILL save you anyway? That IS FORCE.


You reject Force while you also reject a mans authority via Freewill to Choose God or not.
That is a circular argument....MOOT.

 

[Corlove13]

"When you said "immerse" I immediately thought of His all enveloping love, power and majesty, that will go with His servants until the end of the age. God bless, and keep studying and praying."

Yes...yes and yes....the main point

They weren’t Christians yet.

Because:

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin." (1 John 3:9)

That’s the point!

Just like the Galatians weren’t:

"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you" (Galatians 4:19)

It’s obvious. Because he even goes so far as to say this:

"Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves." (2 Corinthians 13:5)

Hi, Michiah...hopefully if I disagree some we can still have a friendly discussion that builds.
Noting that I can't see the other post you are responding to...

In 1 John 3:9...and let me not neglect to say, I could be wrong, but I Believe the "commit sin" is referencing a specific state...

You either in Him and remain, where you can continually receive forgiveness.

Or whoever continues to trangress the law and has never stopped sinning has not known Him...and is of the devil..for that is what one heeds/listens to, the flesh.

Therefore if Jesus came that He might destroy the works of the devil..yet one still walking after His works....then you are of
the Devil's doings.

Now verse 9...Whoever is born of God does not commit sin .......Here from the surrounding passages, the sin that allows you to continue in sin....is refusing to believe on the name of Jesus and love.

So if you refuse to believe Jesus is the Christ with intent to follow after hearing...then you are remaining under the condemnation of the law, because once you transgress any law under the old you will remain a transgressor.

It is the real life one receives that we do not deserve that is love....and love ultimately begets love. GOD LOVE THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS SON...

that whosoever believes.......should not perish[meaning to me, be without meaningful life]...so one can be dead in sin, or alive with Christ......And after being made alive the seed,[recall Jesus saying these words I speak are Spirit and Life(eating his flesh)] that remains is the word..I like to say the dna... smile. And what does scripture say about the word? It is a double edge sword..you either receive the word and get in the ark, or reject the word and drown in the wrath. So you either delivered by it, or condemn. Vs 20...

My personal belief from scriptures I have read is if one has been truly born with life from above..This love is the kick start to remaining in His teachings.

When Abraham was going to sacrifice His son as an offering....I do not think He had blind faith...I believe God was continually teaching Abraham that He had His back. THEREFORE ABRAHAM ACTED FROM GOD'S LOVE. KNOWING GOD GIVES AND CAN TAKE AWAY.

Therefore A mind set on the Spirit..life and peace .

20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless? 21Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did. 23And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”and he was called a friend of God.24 you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

Anyway enough rambling...let me know what you believe "comitt sin" means.

 

[prism]

OSAS threads are like low lying fruit when it comes to racking up pages of responses.

 

[Marvelloustime]

now this makes a great topic . True belief verses dead belief .
True faith verses dead faith .
True love verses false sensual love .
We see where james says , EVEN the devils Believe . Even i once believed . But it was not TRUE . Yes my head believed
through knowledge . But my heart was far from Him . THEN later by grace GOD would lead to me TO TRUE BELIEF
to TRUE FAITH . TRUE AGAPE LOVE and not the sensual love of this world which i once had .
TRUE BELIEF , WOULD HAVE OBEDIANCE . TRUE LOVE IS OBEDIANCE . TRUE FAITH IS OBEDIANCE .
FOR if one has the SPIRIT , would it not give them both the desire and ability to DO SO . Exactly BB .
Now remember its a not a sin to warn folks TO BE DOERS and not hearers only . OR james , EVEN JESUS himself and paul and others
would have been in error . THEY ALL WARNED one must continue in Christ to the end . THEY all warned
Not to deny Christ . AND paul knew what that entailed . Cause by NOT DOING , we DO DENY HIM .
JUST as paul said , But he who provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has denied , THE FAITH
and is worse than an infidel .

We will keep marching on in the Lord right to the end. Our last breath. Until either the Lord returns, or He calls us Home.

 

[amigo de christo]

We will keep marching on in the Lord right to the end. Our last breath. Until either the Lord returns, or He calls us Home.

Yes indeed my dear sister . The call is CHOOSE YE THIS DAY WHOM YE SHALL FOLLOW . As for the lambs ITS GONNA BE
the ONE , the ONLY , can i have a drum roll please .....................................BIBLICAL JESUS .
Some folks might not have expected to see the word BIBLICAL . But we both know , any other jesus aint JESUS .
BIBLE . KJV BEAUTIFUL BIBLE . haters gonna hate it , but lambs LOVE IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Uh .... astounded at your comment!
Salvation is a gift of God Offered to men.

I know that sounded real scary what Tong said . Salvation was offered . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST .
IN order to obtain salvation , ONE MUST BELEIVE . GOD brought salvation . And not for works which we did ,
but by grace are you saved . IT IS a gift . STAND ON THAT TO THE LAST BREATH .
But hammer not at the ones who remind us , AS DID JESUS and the Apostels , and JESUS From heaven , THAT YOU MUST CONTINUE IN HIM
to the END . Yea i say attack not that reminder . Nor the reminder ye must be doers and not hearers only deceiving your own selves .
BUT OH YES , YE are saved SOLEY BY THE GRACE OF GOD WHO DRAWS US TO JESUS , FAITH IN JESUS . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I know that sounded real scary what Tong said . Salvation was offered . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST .
IN order to obtain salvation , ONE MUST BELEIVE . GOD brought salvation . And not for works which we did ,
but by grace are you saved . IT IS a gift . STAND ON THAT TO THE LAST BREATH .
But hammer not at the ones who remind us , AS DID JESUS and the Apostels , and JESUS From heaven , THAT YOU MUST CONTINUE IN HIM
to the END . Yea i say attack not that reminder . Nor the reminder ye must be doers and not hearers only deceiving your own selves .
BUT OH YES , YE are saved SOLEY BY THE GRACE OF GOD WHO DRAWS US TO JESUS , FAITH IN JESUS . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[amigo de christo]

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes indeed my dear sister . yes indeed . Let the LORD be praised .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post# 4153

let me know what you believe "comitt sin" means

I believe this:

"All unrighteousness is sin" (1 John 5:17)

To do any unrighteousness is to commit sin.

I disagree with your assessment, but it’s all good. We can disagree without being enemies.