new version of OSAS?

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
But with what you say there, it seems to me that you are saying that you are not free to please God, in that, you said you are a slave to sin.

Oh my gosh, why aren't you understanding my posts????

"I could not please God before I was saved. Now I can. I used to be a slave to sin, now I'm not."

Please don’t act though I am the one having a short coming here. You could just gave a simple and direct answer to my question, were you free to please God before? A simple yes and no is clear. If no then no. If yes then yes. I am not asking if you can or you can not. But you went on answering that instead of my question. Well, I leave the people here to judge for themselves.

Moving on, do you affirm, that I am right to gather from your post that you are not free to please God before? A simple yes or no will be more than sufficient and clear. That is if you want to be clear.

Tong
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[BloodBought 1953]

Now you answer the questions in post 2056, they are important.

I whole- heartedly agree....responding to this is my #1 priority right now, but it will take awhile for me to collect my thoughts and evidence and present my argument.....will try to get to it before the night is over.....I stay up VERY late most night....35 year’s of Mid nite Shifts before I retired .....

 

[HisLife]

I have never verified if this is true or not, but I was taught that 'repent' is a military term to stop and do an about face and begin marching in the opposite direction. I've been out of the military so long I forgot what the English command was to do that, but we did it until we could do it in our sleep. Any vets out there that can help me remember? (I just looked it up, but let's see who remembers).

That's a great expression when you apply it to worshipping of Idols Then Turning To the true and Living God, You don't do that with Sins tho do you?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Once Saved, their should be a Natural Revulsion towards Sin and Sinning as God Transforms us from the inside out..... it is a Result Of Salvation —- NOT in any way the CAUSE of it.....to be Saved all you have to do is to do what God “ said” to do—— BELIEVE on the One that He sent.....For Salvation, it’s HIM..... NOT “ Me and Him” ......” Nothing But The Blood” means NOTHING .

You have to have a change of mind about sin or you will not 'do' what God says to do. You just won't. Repentance is a prerequisite, a state of mind, that you have to have in order to receive the gospel. That's not a works gospel. It's only a works gospel if you think changing your mind about sin and turning away from it as a result EARNS you salvation.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
In that sense, yes. But it does not take away the truth that it is with the children of Israel that God made a covenant with whose mediator was Moses. And that, what is said in those scriptures does not go out to those who are not in covenant with God whose mediator was Moses.

Any gentile was free to join in the covenant with Israel. The only thing that I know of in the law that a gentile who was in covenant with God along with a native Israelite was prohibited from participating in was the Feast of Tabernacles.

You are tackling an altogether different issue and point. Please refute my point properly if you will.

Tong
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[Ferris Bueller]

That's a great expression when you apply it to worshipping of Idols Then Turning To the true and Living God, You don't do that with Sins tho do you?

Yes, you do. Sinning—like being immoral or impure or greedy— is worshipping an idol.....

No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Ephesians 5:5​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are tackling an altogether different issue and point. Please refute my point properly if you will.

Tong
R3555

If I understand your point correctly, I did refute it. God made the first covenant with BOTH Israelites AND gentiles. Gentiles were allowed to attach themselves to the commonwealth of Israel and be in that covenant with God, too, just like the native Israelites. It was NOT just a covenant for Israelites ONLY.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
There is no issue that people are built on top of Christ, who is the foundation of God’s building, God’s building being made up of saved people, people God created in Christ.

No, that's where you're going wrong! The field and building of God is polluted with false people. They will be purged out by fire at the end of the age.

...at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:40-42​

The teachers who brought them into the field and building of God may in fact be saved. But their work, these false people, will not be. Those teachers did not build carefully. They will have no reward for work completed in the kingdom of God when Jesus returns. What (who) they built got burned up in the judgment and aren't present with them in the kingdom to be their crown of rejoicing. That's why Paul says the servant of God should be careful how he builds. If he puts up walls and floors and roofs of hay, wood, and stubble in the building of God those will get burned up in the judgment. And that servant will have no reward (those people) to rejoice in and boast over in the kingdom on the other side of the judgment.

Please go read my statement again.

You seem to not realize that if a building is built with hay, straw or wood and then of gold, silver and precious stones, as building building blocks, one on top of another, even without need of fire, the building will not stand and soon will collapse. You can try building say even a two storey building, with those materials placed on top of one another and see for yourself what happens.

Tong
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[Corlove13]

@Tong2020
In Genesis 15 what did Abraham believe God for?
I just understood this as I'm writing this...

 

[Corlove13]

@Tong2020
In Genesis 15 what did Abraham believe God for?
I just understood this as I'm writing this...

@Tong2020 you will see that Abraham believed God for a son.....This is the belief that God credited Abraham righteous...Another words it were to things pertaining to the life on earth he was then living.

 

[HisLife]

Yes, you do. Sinning—like being immoral or impure or greedy— is worshipping an idol.....

No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Ephesians 5:5

So you are going to turn and march away from your own sin? The ones that thought they could be righteous by doing all the things the law said Were the ones that were worshipping an Idol

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The mistake BB's theology makes is repentance doesn't just mean recognizing that you have thought wrongly in the past about God, but includes recognizing that you have thought wrongly about sin in the past and have changed your mind about it. You HAVE to change your mind about sin in order to receive God's grace for that sin. His theology says that's a works gospel. Of course, it is not, because repentance does not buy you salvation. Nothing can buy it. The only way to receive salvation is to receive the forgiveness of your sin and the imputation of God's righteousness as a free gift. A change of mind about your sin is the state of mind in which one receives that free gift.

Hey! Leave me out of this! I’m too busy working on OSAS 3.0 to get involved here.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Well , BB has this one RIGHT . I know it was God . I dont guess , I KNOW .
HE FLIPPED ME AROUND . He drew me to Christ .

I don’t remember saying this, but I agree with it....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s a fact that “ metanoia” does NOT mean “ repent from sins” .

We can see from this verse below that 'repent' means to have a change of mind and then act in accordance with that change of mind......

I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. Acts 26:20​

If you say you have repented but don't have any deeds commensurate with that repentance, you haven't repented. Repentance is both a change of mind and a corresponding change in behavior. That is the complete picture of repentance according to Paul. And we're not told to repent in order to earn salvation. That is NOT the argument. But, nonetheless, we are commanded to repent in order to receive remission of sin. That's not a works gospel. If it is, then we've all been wrong, because that's what the Bible tells us to do—repent, for the remission of sin.....

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out Acts 3:19​

That's not a works gospel. Don't tell people it is. Tell them they need to repent from sin and towards God so they can be saved. That's what the Bible says. And I see no reason why you can not tell them that their repentance is not buying them salvation. You have a burden for that issue in the church and I think that's okay, as long as it doesn't dismiss the necessity to repent from sin.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Hey! Leave me out of this! I’m too busy working on OSAS 3.0 to get involved here.....

Yes, I'm sure you are, lol.

Thank you for the light hearted attitude, bro. How's the foot doing?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Sounds like you want to stick in the box...
and until you come out you will see what you see....but God is not limited to OSAS box.

It was God that invented the OSAS “ box”...... if He steps out of it it would show that God was a Promise Breaker......and we all know that is impossible.... right ?

John 5:22..... the verse I have NEVER seen ANYBODY try to debate.....I bring it up....it completely destroys NOSAS , so rather than debate it, those confused and poorly taught “ Believers” just kinda “ sweep it under the rug” .....that’s all they “ can” do......

 

[Corlove13]

You are tackling an altogether different issue and point. Please refute my point properly if you will.

Tong
R3555

Clearly showing there are things He do

No, I was not free to please God before I was a new creation in Christ.

...without faith it is impossible to please God... Hebrews 11:6​

Even though I sometimes could do righteous things I would always default to my old ways. Now it's the other way around. Even though I sometimes do unrighteous things I always default to my new ways. As long as I keep believing, it will remain that way, the unrighteous things becoming less and less, and the righteous things becoming more and more.

Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

 

[michaelvpardo]

No, that's where you're going wrong! The field and building of God is polluted with false people. They will be purged out by fire at the end of the age.

...at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:40-42​

The teachers who brought them into the field and building of God may in fact be saved. But their work, these false people, will not be. Those teachers did not build carefully. They will have no reward for work completed in the kingdom of God when Jesus returns. What (who) they built got burned up in the judgment and aren't present with them in the kingdom to be their crown of rejoicing. That's why Paul says the servant of God should be careful how he builds. If he puts up walls and floors and roofs of hay, wood, and stubble in the building of God those will get burned up in the judgment. And that servant will have no reward (those people) to rejoice in and boast over in the kingdom on the other side of the judgment.

You're way off the reservation now, my friend, and you were doing so well. The field in the parable is not the church, but the world and you're confusing two kingdoms, one of light and one of darkness. Perhaps you should go back and read those passages at least a solid 7 times and ask the Lord to show you what He's talking about. Maybe you just need a good night's rest. If you attend a solid biblical church tomorrow, I suspect that your pastor will teach a relevant lesson from whatever book he's studying and if you pay attention, he'll be talking to you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Please go read my statement again.

You seem to not realize that if a building is built with hay, straw or wood and then of gold, silver and precious stones, as building building blocks, one on top of another, even without need of fire, the building will not stand and soon will collapse. You can try building say even a two storey building, with those materials placed on top of one another and see for yourself what happens.

Tong
R3556

It's a metaphor, Tong. Keep the metaphor in the boundaries that Paul has put it in. He has confined the metaphor to how a building is tested by fire, not by how it can stand, or not stand, if it is made of weak materials like straw. Hey, I've watched lots of Gilligan's Island reruns and they built some pretty tough huts out of straw, lol. But not ones that could withstand fire.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Well continue to pray that He can come out of that box...That is why I told Him to read Ephesian 2:8....It's better to direct them to scriptures....Like what are we saved from in EPHESIANS.........then what does scripture say the reason He saved us....

Thanks, but I think I will continue to remain in the same “ Box” that Jesus Himself built.....please continue to pray for me as I pray for you ....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You're way off the reservation now, my friend, and you were doing so well. The field in the parable is not the church, but the world and you're confusing two kingdoms, one of light and one of darkness. Perhaps you should go back and read those passages at least a solid 7 times and ask the Lord to show you what He's talking about. Maybe you just need a good night's rest. If you attend a solid biblical church tomorrow, I suspect that your pastor will teach a relevant lesson from whatever book he's studying and if you pay attention, he'll be talking to you.

Read Matthew 13:40-41. What is it about 'his kingdom' that you do not understand? I mean, you really aren't understanding it. Jesus is not lying. The kingdom of God in the earth is polluted with faulty building materials, and faulty plantings. There's no reward waiting for servants of God who put them there.