new version of OSAS?
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I’ll move around and see if I can spot who it is! They probably got a swollen uvula!
Are you now denying you said you would go to Heaven even if you were an unbeliever? I can quote you if you like.
I think I agree with you. OSASers attack works religion and that gives them a license to sin. They think.
Saying you're a Christian does NOT mean you are saved. It's an opinion.
If you are a Christian you would have answered my questions directly without the run around. Do you always answer questions with a question?
I repeat the questions: "Are you saved? And if you are by what means are you saved?"
To God Be The Glory
And your OSAS license to sin is just an opinion. A Satanic opinion.
When you avoid questions like plague, yes.
Do you believe in eternal Hell or are you JW? Why didn't you answer MY QUESTION?
Grailhunter
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Personally, I don't care if they are doing chicken sacrifices. Freedom of religions and all that.
But there are people that come to Christianity for help....they are no help and worse than that they can lead people to hell.
The kind of advise they give, these people can get from their drug pushers and pimps.
Every obedient born again Christian does.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! Roman's 7:21-25
What must be endured to the end? ONLY the SAVED endure.
Again, I repeat: "Are you saved? And if you are by what means are you saved?"
It seems you are having difficult time to answer my questions therefore I will take your non answer to mean you are not saved!!!
Sure OSASers can judge others "by their fruit" therefore OSASers bring the true Gospel to the world.
To God Be The Glory
If you don’t like scripture just re-write it
endure this life unto the end
Suffer
That’s the calling we have as Christians
Suffering Necessary part of Salvation!
Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
He is our model in everything!
Christian suffering!
Patience Implies suffering!
In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!
John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Verses of Christian suffering:
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
I feel so sad for you. You quote the right Scripture passages without realizing those verses are directed ONLY for the saved.
God indeed is so wise as He dictated in Romans 2:14
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves"
To God Be The Glory
If you mean it's an eternal place, NO! Hell is a condition meaning all the unsaved will be destroyed someday by death as God commanded in the Garden of Eden: "The wages of sin is death."
Even in the death of the unsaved, God shows His love and His mercy by NOT punishing them with "eternal punishment of fire" as many teach but rather "complete annihilation."
Do I sound like a JW? You are the first to say so. No I am not.
To God Be The Glory
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