MYSTERY, BABYLON... IS NOT THE CHURCH OF ROME

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tailgator

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I'll go with the king of the North but not the rest of it.
So you believe none these nations will attack Israel?

Psalms ,83

2 See how your enemies growl,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”
5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.[b]


Revelation 17
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb
, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
 

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The papacy didn't exist in Peter's time, so how could he have related mystery Babylon symbolizes the papacy?
Rome was considered Babylon long before the emergence of the Catholic Church. The Roman Empire believed in the Babylonian Religion with Nimrod being the sun god and his mother wife Semiramis being the "queen of heaven". The Pontifex Maximus was the highest priest in this Roman religion long before the Pope was placed over the Roman Catholic Church after it was formed. Tertullian and Irenaeus also referred to the Roman empire as Babylon.
 

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Rome was considered Babylon long before the emergence of the Catholic Church. The Roman Empire believed in the Babylonian Religion with Nimrod being the sun god and his mother wife Semiramis being the "queen of heaven". The Pontifex Maximus was the highest priest in this Roman religion long before the Pope was placed over the Roman Catholic Church after it was formed. Tertullian and Irenaeus also referred to the Roman empire as Babylon.
So is Rome Babylon, or Jerusalem. Make up your mind. Revelation 17 affirms the whore IS Babylon, not that some other entity whored with Babylon.

Revelation reveals the merchant of the earth are made rich from the power of Babylon’s luxurious living,

Revelation 18:
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living." ESV

The Romans made the merchants rich during John’s time, not the Jews, which exposes the folly of preterism and futurism. The Jews couldn’t even sit down and eat with the Gentiles, so how could they have committed fornication with the kings of the earth and enriched the merchants before 70 AD? Furthermore, history affirms the Romans invented the “law merchant” to maintain economic hegemony in their empire, which collapsed at the end of their empire, ending the political status of the merchants in the kingdoms that supplanted Rome. With the rise of the papacy, the merchants were relegated to an inferior position in society and kept there until the rise of Protestantism. It was the Protestants that held intercourse with the kings of the earth and established secular societies in the world in which the merchants were enriched, in fulfillment of the prophecy that there would be a great falling away before the Day of the LORD,

2 Thessalonians 2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. KJV

Furthermore, the Romans were pagans and couldn’t fall from moral rectitude; that’s a covenantal issue, which is only applicable to the covenantal people of God. The first-century Jews don’t fit the prophecy in any substantive study, and neither do the Jews in our time; only apostate, liberal Protestantism fits the prophecy of the Mystery of Babylon, and from a Historicist’s hermeneutic, according to Daniel 2.
 

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So you believe none these nations will attack Israel?
I believe none of those nations are in the verses that you quoted which I will requote for you. Please point out these nations in the verses below as I am unable to find them.


Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.


17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
 

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Babylon is a mystery, but it doesn't solve the enigma saying Jerusalem whored with Babylon! As Revelation 17 states, the whore IS Babylon, not that another entity whored with Babylon. That's eisegesis.
I speak neither for you or against you . So when you read what i next type , PLEASE DO
so with that mindset . This is just general knowledge not an attack or an support of you .
The unholy RCC is not of GOD .
now if we do read the book of revelations
we can see real clearly where THIS WHORE sitteth .
Where also our LORD was crucified . that wasnt in rome it was in JERSUALEM .
but make no mistake
The RCC IS A WHORE and
it is SHE who is the one behind the LIE and that which is of anti christ . BUT and this is also key
SHE HAS MANY protestant daughters who do her will .
Did GOD not well plant JERSUALEM and yet years later SHE BECAME A HARLOT .
Well GOD well planted Christendom , but FRIEND SHE IS A HARLOT now .
Both the forewarning of the falling away of JERUSALEM
and the falling away of CHRISTENDOM was all foretold . We got us a new love god in town
and it is the DEVIL not GOD . many flock to her all inclusive interfaith finding common ground call .
BELIVING her judge not correct not was love and that judge not correct not of satans seeker friendly
produced the most UNHOLY , MOST UNGODLY generation within Christendom and the world
we have ever seen . YET THEY holler ten thousand times a day GOD IS LOVE and know neither GOD OR HIS LOVE .
WE GOT US A MEGA DELUSOIN and many sure seem to love its sin accepting , unbelief accepting , YET BIBLE HATING
fake love . we got a problem in the house .
 

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I believe none of those nations are in the verses that you quoted which I will requote for you. Please point out these nations in the verses below as I am unable to find them.


Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.


17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Are you saying Psalms 83 is wrong or you saying revelation 17 is wrong or both?
 

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I believe none of those nations are in the verses that you quoted which I will requote for you. Please point out these nations in the verses below as I am unable to find them.


Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.


17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Have you noticed that the day the Medes are in babylon ransacking houses and raping women is the same exact day all nations are in Jerusalem ransacking houses and raping women?
I do believe all nations would include the Medes.
 

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So is Rome Babylon, or Jerusalem. Make up your mind.
Wow. That's confusing.

Don't you mean is Babylon........Rome or Jerusalem?

And I don't recall flip flopping on the issue. Point out the post where I changed my mind so I can correct it, if there is one.
 

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I'm saying that you are wrong. Is that not clear to you?
You believe all nations including the Medes will not be in Jerusalem ransacking houses and raping the women as zech 14 says?

Zech 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


You believe Zechariah is right or wrong?
 

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Have you noticed that the day the Medes are in babylon ransacking houses and raping women is the same exact day all nations are in Jerusalem ransacking houses and raping women?
I do believe all nations would include the Medes.
The Medes are a people without a country.
 

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You believe all nations including the Medes will not be in Jerusalem ransacking houses and raping the women as zech 14 says?

Zech 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


You believe Zechariah is right or wrong?
I believe tailgator is wrong.

Who is the king of Babylon?
 

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what would you say if i told you that just cause a man can turn an economy around
this does not mean that man be of GOD and rather is deadly dangerous .
Now before you think i am attacking trump . LETS JUST LEAVE HIM out of this for a second
and you answer as though its not TRUMP i speak of
but just a general question . Has any man ever risen to power
with the promise of turning the country around
and EVEN DONE SO , SO wonderously that even historians marveled
and had he not died before WW TWO he had went down as HITLER THE GREAT .
OOPS i kinda slipped and gave the answer away . YOU BET ITS BEEN DONE .
The key is NOT IN TRUSTING IN MEN for economic hope or for anything
THE KEY IS DO WE TRUST IN GOD THROUGH ALL SITUATIONS or do we hope in men to save us .
You see i seem to notice something .
Many from both sides sure seem to hope and to trust in their leaders
and beleive their leader is a man or woman of GOD .
Believing harris could have saved us , or trump can save us
YET both sides do the same thing that will result not in being saved
but in being destroyed . What spares a nation . REPENTANCE , what destroys it IS when its in sin
and it wont repent but just keeps getting worse .
INTERFAITH IS GONNA GRAVE THIS WORLD . i dont give a rip if something sounds like a good solution .
IF that there solutoin TRODS THE DIRE NEED to BELEIVE on CHRIST and also makes him into some kind of minstir of sin
BABY ITS ALL BEEN SHIP WRECKED and ONLY DESTRUCTION COMETH and shall come upon them all .
The liberals , the conservatives are being DECIEVED . and wont a one of them
attain to the very peace n safety their false love god promised them . SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH
because this people WILL NOT REPENT and no matter how often they warned THEY WONT , and rather cling
to men , trust in men and thus continue to be decieved . DO remember
i shunned not to warn us that satans interfaith is but destruction . THUS the blood of all who read this
WELL IT AINT ON ME . I DID WARN , I DID REMIND , I DID DO what i could to get this people BACK INTO THE BIBLE
 

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The Medes are a people without a country.
The Medes are Iranians.

The Medes were an ancient Iranian people who lived in the Zagros Mountains of northwestern Iran. They were one of the first Iranian tribes to migrate west, and they established the first Iranian empire.
 

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I believe tailgator is wrong.

Who is the king of Babylon?
The same king who has been smiting the philistines for more than a year now.

Isaiah 14
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.



Palestinians will be celebrating in the streets the day the king of Babylon is overcome by the Medes.
They will rejoice for 3.5 days.
 

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Another Jesus?
I've never heard of another Jesus .What Jesus are you talking about?

Read the New Testament.... "another jesus" and "a different gospel" is referencing false doctrine and a false christ

There's only One Real Jesus... but demons bring false doctrine will try to imitate the Lord which results in people following what they think it the Lord Jesus but in reality they are following demons claiming to be speaking for the Lord who are actually servants of satan speaking lies in behalf of satan to lead people away from the Lord in to hell.
 

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Read the New Testament.... "another jesus" and "a different gospel" is referencing false doctrine and a false christ

There's only One Real Jesus... but demons bring false doctrine will try to imitate the Lord which results in people following what they think it the Lord Jesus but in reality they are following demons claiming to be speaking for the Lord who are actually servants of satan speaking lies in behalf of satan to lead people away from the Lord in to hell.
Who in the Catholic Church claims to be or call themselves Jesus?