MYSTERY, BABYLON... IS NOT THE CHURCH OF ROME

[TribulationSigns]

And there's another false doctrine FRAGMENT from men ADDED to The Word of God by the deceived and deceivers, the FALSE idea that the "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." of Revelation 17 represents the Roman Church.


The very last verse of Revelation 17 reveals what that "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." is...

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Where is that "great city" it speaks of, Rome?? Nope!

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Well, that is JERUSALEM where our Lord Jesus was crucified!

That is where you and many people here are wrong about the "great city." When someone reads this, they automatically think it must be a literal or physical city like Rome, Jerusalem (70AD or modern city), or New York City to build a doctrine upon—especially trying to insert two individual men as two witnesses there. Nope! None of this is biblically true.

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 are born again Christians who received power with the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel to the world. The church (woman) is a SPIRITUALLY great city, the home of Two Witnesses that expands with them wherever they go in the World. Not about a physical city at all.

When we allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, we see the church is often represented as the great city of Jersulaem throughout the Bible. The "Great City Jersualem" becomes that "Great City Babylon" that dwells WITHIN the world as it apostatizes turning away from the Words of God to the Words of man. That is a city WITHOUT light where it is now ruled by "lawless man," or as the Church as come to read it, "the man of sin."


Matthew 5:14

• "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid."

There is that Great City in the world that becomes Babylon as it loses its light. Nothing to do with any physical city.

Selah.

 

[The Light]

The Medes=the beast that comes out of the abyss kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem

Excuse me. I think you are making something up. The Medes are not the beast that comes out of the abyss. The Medes are God's instrument to bring judgement on Babylon........and Babylon is not Jerusalem.

3.5 days before the 7th Trump sounds.(The day of the Lord)

Where do you come up with 3.5 days before the 7th trumpet sounds and where do you come up with the 7th trumpet being the Day of the Lord. Can you post scriptures as to how you are drawing these erroneous conclusions?

The seventh seal is the one-year day of the Lord.

The city that is being attacked on the day of the Lord is Jerusalem.Muslims are instructed in the Quran and Hadith to kill every jew.

That certainly is their goal. But are they the northern army?

So your ignorance of scripture shined through when you said no city is being attacked on the day of the Lord.The word of God says Jerusalem(Babylon )will be.

As I said you posted scripture and asked a question based on what you posted. There was nothing in what you posted that agreed with your assessment that the nations attacked Jerusalem. What you posted said the Medes attacked Babylon.........WHICH IS THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS. You are confusing Babylon with mystery Babylon. And you are confusing Mystery Babylon which has a gold cup in her hand and dresses in purple and scarlet which is Vatican City with Jerusalem that dresses in BLUE, purple and scarlet and has no gold cup.

 

[The Light]

They also helped build Washington and London. And in the following telling picture, I don't see Jerusalem...
View attachment 59141

So who do you think is really in charge? The Rothschilds? Or the institution that has all their incredible wealth deposited with them?

Vatican Obelisk

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and the Lord has seen fit to be gracious and open my eyes to how many of the prophecies applied to Israel first, and then to the church. Even Jesus prophesying in Matt. 24 of the elect being deceived and the soon coming tribulation and destruction of Jerusalem was to Israel first, then the church. Kind of a dual prophecy, to the Jew first, then the Gentile. That is why He said that generation would not pass away until all these things happened. He wasn't lying....and to weep not for me but for your children....because the children of that generation would live/die through the wrath in 70 AD. The wrath of God and widowhood was visited upon Jerusalem in 70 AD for her spiritual harlotry and now it is the church's turn soon, all those warnings apply to us in our turn too....spiritual widowhood as the Lord departs the adulterous church and spews her out of His mouth. As well as that judgment will happen a second time to Jerusalem too......."double unto her double".....and "tell Israel she has paid double for her sins". She is unfortunately doubling down on her rejection of Christ with this new Temple and resumption of animal sacrifices, and the Lord showed and warned me that there will be a very strong deception associated with it all. Which many Catholics and evangelical Christians will also be taken captive by and deceived.....strong delusion.

Whether we believe Rome is specifically or uniquely Mystery Babylon or not........not long ago, the Lord also was gracious and merciful (because I never was quite sure how to look at it) to show me unequivocally that the spirit ruling the Catholic church is not the HOLY Spirit, but another spirit. Catholicism is not of God period...... we need to be unequivocal in understanding that, so as to not be unequally yoked and in friendship with it via human sentimental emotions. By all means love people and share the gospel with them, but we must have nothing to do with their false religions of any kind which hold them captive and lead them astray. The same with apostate Judaism.....the Lord no longer ordains animal sacrifices at all.......that is like eating rotting manna that they have tried to keep for another day, an abomination.

Isa 66:1-6

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

march onwards in the glorious LORD dear sister . you are loved and prayed for as well .

 

[tailgator]

You are not correct on this. The Medes are the modern Kurds. The Kurds are a people without a country. They live in northern Iraq, Turkey and did much of the fighting in Syria if I'm not mistaken. They are not Iranians. They actually did most of the fighting in Northern Iraq against the Iraqis as we did not have access to this region to land troops during the Gulf Wars. We sent in advisors and heavy supplies and equipment. They did the fighting.

Additionally, the Babylon being discussed is the land of Chaldeans and is not Jerusalem. You are confusing Babylon with mystery Babylon which is also not Jerusalem but is Vatican City.

Got to run right now. I will return to read and address the rest of your post later.

False
Tehran Iran is smack dab on the middle of the Medes kingdom.Tehran governs the majority of Media
The kurds govern dust.
Plus,any ole fool would know Iran wouldn't miss attacking Israel for the end of the world.

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

[tailgator]

Excuse me. I think you are making something up. The Medes are not the beast that comes out of the abyss. The Medes are God's instrument to bring judgement on Babylon........and Babylon is not Jerusalem.


Where do you come up with 3.5 days before the 7th trumpet sounds and where do you come up with the 7th trumpet being the Day of the Lord. Can you post scriptures as to how you are drawing these erroneous conclusions?

The seventh seal is the one-year day of the Lord.


That certainly is their goal. But are they the northern army?

As I said you posted scripture and asked a question based on what you posted. There was nothing in what you posted that agreed with your assessment that the nations attacked Jerusalem. What you posted said the Medes attacked Babylon.........WHICH IS THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS. You are confusing Babylon with mystery Babylon. And you are confusing Mystery Babylon which has a gold cup in her hand and dresses in purple and scarlet which is Vatican City with Jerusalem that dresses in BLUE, purple and scarlet and has no gold cup.

You saying all nations don't attack Jerusalem on the day of the Lord as Zechariah says?
You saying Zechariah is wrong and you are right,?

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.



The Medes will be in Babylon on the day of the Lord ransacking the houses and raping the women.

 

[tailgator]

Excuse me. I think you are making something up. The Medes are not the beast that comes out of the abyss. The Medes are God's instrument to bring judgement on Babylon........and Babylon is not Jerusalem.


Where do you come up with 3.5 days before the 7th trumpet sounds and where do you come up with the 7th trumpet being the Day of the Lord. Can you post scriptures as to how you are drawing these erroneous conclusions?

The seventh seal is the one-year day of the Lord.


That certainly is their goal. But are they the northern army?

As I said you posted scripture and asked a question based on what you posted. There was nothing in what you posted that agreed with your assessment that the nations attacked Jerusalem. What you posted said the Medes attacked Babylon.........WHICH IS THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS. You are confusing Babylon with mystery Babylon. And you are confusing Mystery Babylon which has a gold cup in her hand and dresses in purple and scarlet which is Vatican City with Jerusalem that dresses in BLUE, purple and scarlet and has no gold cup.

Jerusalem is attacked and conquered 3.3 days before the seventh Trump sounds.

Have you never read of the two witnesses that lay dead in the street ?
While they are laying dead,the houses and being ransacked and the women raped just as Zechariah and isaiah prophecied would happen after the nations take Jerusalem.There will be great celebrations throughout the middle east and beyond for those 3.5 days.Then on the day of the Lord the two witnesses stand on their feet and ascend into heaven in a cloud as their enemies looked on.

 

[tailgator]

Excuse me. I think you are making something up. The Medes are not the beast that comes out of the abyss. The Medes are God's instrument to bring judgement on Babylon........and Babylon is not Jerusalem.


Where do you come up with 3.5 days before the 7th trumpet sounds and where do you come up with the 7th trumpet being the Day of the Lord. Can you post scriptures as to how you are drawing these erroneous conclusions?

The seventh seal is the one-year day of the Lord.


That certainly is their goal. But are they the northern army?

As I said you posted scripture and asked a question based on what you posted. There was nothing in what you posted that agreed with your assessment that the nations attacked Jerusalem. What you posted said the Medes attacked Babylon.........WHICH IS THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS. You are confusing Babylon with mystery Babylon. And you are confusing Mystery Babylon which has a gold cup in her hand and dresses in purple and scarlet which is Vatican City with Jerusalem that dresses in BLUE, purple and scarlet and has no gold cup.

The northern army (US armed forces)who occupy Israel for 42 months are attacked and killed.Their dead bodies will lay in the street of Jerusalem.
The king of the norths armed forces place the abomination of desolation. (Nuke ) in Jerusalem 3.5 days after it is taken by the Iranians ,Iraqis,Egyptians,Lebanese,Jordanians,Turks,Syrians and all the rest of the Muslims who attack Israel.
That's what causes the earthquake in Jerusalem and the cloud to ascend from Jerusalem on the day of the Lord.Its Israel policy that all Israel's enemies be nuked including its enemies in the land of Israel itself.

 

[Brakelite]

I understand why many are so fearful to even acknowledge what i say is right .
Many here and in all places see this lamb as a judmental monster . and i understand you dont want folks
here to even think you are associated with me in any way . BUT BUD you still gotta warn them WHO that HARLOT IS .
Even if you despise me , DO what is best for this people . I long ago decided
no matter what people beleive orthink about me does not matter . What matters is HOW GOD SEES
what matters to me is WHAT DO HE APPROVE . HE approves HIS WORDS , HIS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT .
so even if you all tremble in fear to agree with me , EXPOSE THIS HARLOT .
hey i give you permission to name call me and make sure everyone knows you dont agree with me
BUT PLEASE WARN THIS PEOPLE . as for me , DONT you weep a tear one
I KNOW WHOM I SERVE and i have long known its gonna cause and has caused the very ones i love and desired good for
TO hate me . BUT i must do and i shall do what GOD bids me do . YOU warn this people brakelite . YOU WARN them
that THE RCC IS A PI*T of the dragon . as you see it has long not mattered what folks do to me .
They can ban me for life but they cannot silence my mouth .

Bro, seriously. Since when have I ever disagreed with you, called you out, despised you, or refrained my own lips from speaking the truth regarding the CC as the true Antichrist of scripture?

 

[MonoBiblical]

In Revelations, the whore is Jerusalem, and Babylon the Great is just Babylon which Peter visited.

 

[Davy]

Did Jerusalem reigneth over the kings of the earth? NO. End of story.

NOT end of story; the 10 kings of Rev.17 that rule "one hour" with the "beast" are not here yet today. And it is very... difficult to miss the subject of the Babylon Harlot Woman described in royal garb, and in Rev.18 she says she sits a queen, and is no widow, meaning she is married to a king, but what king? The coming "beast" king of Rev.17, the one John pointed to for the end of this world.

 

[MonoBiblical]

NOT end of story; the 10 kings of Rev.17 that rule "one hour" with the "beast" are not here yet today. And it is very... difficult to miss the subject of the Babylon Harlot Woman described in royal garb, and in Rev.18 she says she sits a queen, and is no widow, meaning she is married to a king, but what king? The coming "beast" king of Rev.17, the one John pointed to for the end of this world.

God is the king to which she is married, perhaps.

 

[Davy]

Thanks for the response.

Yes, I'm aware that Israel played the Harlot during the time of Ezekiel. And I'm aware that the same imagery and analogies are used in Ezekiel and Revelations. My problem again though, is that you are necessarily assuming that there cannot be two cities who both once belonged to God, both played the harlot, and both came under judgement from Him. It's the same as with my asking why there cannot be two different great cities in Revelation. I grant you, the correlations are very similar in many ways, but there are problems with equating the two cities in 11:8 and 17:18.

Let me read through all the responses first, since I wasn't able to get to this today, and blessings in Christ.

Sorry, I refuse to ADD... another city to what God's Word says as written. He is only talking about one specific "great city" in Revelation, and Rev.11:8 already defined it as the place where Lord Jesus was crucified. That means JERUSALEM.

So if you want to listen to a bunch mumbo-jumbo from men's false traditions that didn't get fulfilled like the old Reformers claimed about Rome and a pope, then go to, stay deceived by the doctrines of men.

 

[Davy]

Yes, and the Lord has seen fit to be gracious and open my eyes to how many of the prophecies applied to Israel first, and then to the church. Even Jesus prophesying in Matt. 24 of the elect being deceived and the soon coming tribulation and destruction of Jerusalem was to Israel first, then the church. Kind of a dual prophecy, to the Jew first, then the Gentile. That is why He said that generation would not pass away until all these things happened. He wasn't lying....and to weep not for me but for your children....because the children of that generation would live/die through the wrath in 70 AD. The wrath of God and widowhood was visited upon Jerusalem in 70 AD for her spiritual harlotry and now it is the church's turn soon, all those warnings apply to us in our turn too....spiritual widowhood as the Lord departs the adulterous church and spews her out of His mouth. As well as that judgment will happen a second time to Jerusalem too......."double unto her double".....and "tell Israel she has paid double for her sins". She is unfortunately doubling down on her rejection of Christ with this new Temple and resumption of animal sacrifices, and the Lord showed and warned me that there will be a very strong deception associated with it all. Which many Catholics and evangelical Christians will also be taken captive by and deceived.....strong delusion.

Yes, God is going to do some pruning of those who won't listen to Him in His Word of Truth. Paul says the "strong delusion" will happen upon the deceived because they received not the love of the Truth.

 

[Davy]

That is where you and many people here are wrong about the "great city."

Nope! Those who use their common sense with reading the Rev.11:8 verse well KNOW it is pointing to JERUSALEM as the "great city", simply because JERUSALEM is where Lord Jesus Christ was crucified.

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That's JERUSALEM as the "great city"! Easy Peasy!




BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Here's another Biblical proof that the "great city" of the Book of Revelation means JERUSALEM and not any other place on earth...

Rev 21:10-11
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
KJV

What's the difference brethren between that time of Jerusalem as that "great city" there in Rev.21 vs. the Jerusalem of Rev.11:8 where God's "two witnesses" will be killed?

The answer is simple, the Rev.11 events is a time about the "great tribulation" prior to Christ's future return. But the Rev.21 example is about future Jerusalem after Christ's future return.

 

[Davy]

God is the king to which she is married, perhaps.

For the time of the future coming "great tribulation" time?? NO, NO, NO, absolutely NOT!

Have you not understood Lord Jesus' warning SIGNS that are to happen at the end of this world just prior to His future return? He showed in Matthew 24 that a false-Messiah, or false-Christ will place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a stone temple in JERUSALEM, and demand all to bow to it, or be killed.

The Revelation 17 Babylon Harlot represents the "great city" Jerusalem with the coming FALSE "beast" king which John showed in Rev.17...

Rev 17:10-14
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Five beast kings are past history, the 6th one existed in Apostle John's day (Roman emperor Domitian). The 7th one is still yet to come, and will be the Antichrist/false-Messiah to JERUSALEM and will exalt himself in place of Christ.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Those "ten kings" have not manifested yet today, as they will only be revealed with that 7th beast king, the Antichrist, who will arrive at the end of this world and be exalted in Jerusalem as God.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
KJV

That 14th verse marks the time of the end of this world when all this will happen. It means those ten kings and that 7th beast king will exist in the generation that will see Christ's future coming.

 

[Davy]

In Revelations, the whore is Jerusalem, and Babylon the Great is just Babylon which Peter visited.

The Babylon title is used as a spiritual symbol by Christ in His Book of Revelation. Jesus is actually giving us a study Message by use of that Babylon title. It's like He is saying go back into The Old Testament and study the events involving historical Babylon, and what He did to it in final.

Even the phrase, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" is used again in Revelation from Isaiah 21 about the fall of historical Babylon...

Rev 14:8
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
KJV

Isa 21:9
9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.
KJV

It's like Solomon said, there's no new thing under the sun, what has been shall be again.

Thus the Old Testament histories are "ensamples" for us upon whom the ends of the world have come (per Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:11).

In the Book of Daniel, he was to be prepared to be delivered up to the king of Babylon after 3 years. That is a type symbolic for the latter 3 and 1/2 years of the future "great tribulation" to occur at the end of this world. The golden idol image which Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon had setup for all to bow in worship to, or be killed, parallels the "image of the beast" idol of Revelation 13.

 

[Davy]

Jerusalem is attacked and conquered 3.3 days before the seventh Trump sounds.

Have you never read of the two witnesses that lay dead in the street ?
While they are laying dead,the houses and being ransacked and the women raped just as Zechariah and isaiah prophecied would happen after the nations take Jerusalem.There will be great celebrations throughout the middle east and beyond for those 3.5 days.Then on the day of the Lord the two witnesses stand on their feet and ascend into heaven in a cloud as their enemies looked on.

Those events actually occur starting when the "two witnesses" stand up, and those seeing it are shocked. Their standing up represents the "caught up" event of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. WITHIN that same hour the 7th Trumpet sounds with Christ's coming, which is the 3rd Woe.

We have to remember when studying prophecy in the Book of Revelation. Certain specifics of the events can take more time when described written down than they actually do in real time.

 

[Davy]

You saying all nations don't attack Jerusalem on the day of the Lord as Zechariah says?
You saying Zechariah is wrong and you are right,?

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.



The Medes will be in Babylon on the day of the Lord ransacking the houses and raping the women.

Jerusalem being taken, and half of it going into captivity, happens just PRIOR to the "day of the Lord" which is the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. (Even right now, today, Jerusalem is half-taken by the nations of Islam). That is why those events are associated with the all nations being gathered against Jerusalem at the very end, just prior to Christ's coming. It's actually 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing of Revelation 11:1-10.

 

[amigo de christo]

Bro, seriously. Since when have I ever disagreed with you, called you out, despised you, or refrained my own lips from speaking the truth regarding the CC as the true Antichrist of scripture?

Perhaps i was thinking of another . We are in the very last of days and times running out .