Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?
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The metaphor is about attitude or performance, not about the "prize" at the end. It's about zeal and faithfulness in the long run, as opposed to slothfulness and a "manana" attitude (if you're not familiar with the word, it's Spanish for "tomorrow.")
I'm not going to give any argument other that this explanation is consistent with that of Jesus Himself in His warning about that wicked servant.
"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. But if that evil servant says in his heart, "My master is delaying his coming," and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24:45-51
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"Find so doing" is indeed Jesus referring to performance, and is not referring to attitude. Learn to correctly speak and comprehend basic English, rather than giving patronizing hogwash.
CharismaticLady
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Read 2 Peter 1:2-11 and see.
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Fruitful Growth in the Faith
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Taken
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I was rejected in the womb...I was born with a speech impediment, A.D.D., and possible autism. I went through various types of abuse and neglect as a child. I was given Hep. C as a child by a legal adult. As well as a prescription for Quaalude. I inherited major depression and masonic generational curses. I sacrificed my college education in order to work to save my son from abortion. I injured my back at work. I got Lupus from work. Some use scripture to say God is scourging me, disciplining me, punishing me because I must have willful, hidden sin. At what point did He get angry at me?
There are purposes in the refiner's fire, but wrath and punishment are not them.
My point is, unless you have a firm grasp on the full council of scripture, and an intimate knowledge of another's life, how can you pass judgement on them?
Humility, mercy, and love would seem to be the order of the day here. We reap what we...and others, sow.
Who is arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned about the marginalized and weak in today's society?
What city was destroyed in the O.T. for the same sins? Looking at myself daily in the mirror of God's word is something I must do.
God usually points out my sin to me, not someone else's. Peace.
There are purposes in the refiner's fire, but wrath and punishment are not them.
My point is, unless you have a firm grasp on the full council of scripture, and an intimate knowledge of another's life, how can you pass judgement on them?
Humility, mercy, and love would seem to be the order of the day here. We reap what we...and others, sow.
Who is arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned about the marginalized and weak in today's society?
What city was destroyed in the O.T. for the same sins? Looking at myself daily in the mirror of God's word is something I must do.
God usually points out my sin to me, not someone else's. Peace.
Romans 8:4 Context
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
This seems to be saying that of someone does not stop sinning after they are saved, then they are not saved and will go to hell. Could someone explain this to me? Its verses like this that really worry me.
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
This seems to be saying that of someone does not stop sinning after they are saved, then they are not saved and will go to hell. Could someone explain this to me? Its verses like this that really worry me.
Grailhunter
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"Keep yourself as sinless as you can." That is good advise.
The first step is to know what are real sins. So you do not step on a real sin trying to avoid fake sins. And so you do not wrongly condemn others of things that are not sins.
On the average we sin, we repent, we ask forgiveness and our sins are forgiven by Christ and forgotten.
The sins you have to worry about are life style sins....Sins you do not intend to stop. You cannot repeat of sins you intend to keep doing. Cannot get forgiven for them.
The first step is to know what are real sins. So you do not step on a real sin trying to avoid fake sins. And so you do not wrongly condemn others of things that are not sins.
On the average we sin, we repent, we ask forgiveness and our sins are forgiven by Christ and forgotten.
The sins you have to worry about are life style sins....Sins you do not intend to stop. You cannot repeat of sins you intend to keep doing. Cannot get forgiven for them.
"Real Sins?" Show us the phrase "Real Sins" in Scripture. As well, show the word "Lifestyle."
People cannot stop sinning until they are broken before God's Holiness. That is the immediate realization of Isaiah as he fell before God in Isaiah 6.
Grailhunter
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They did not have to differentiate between between real sins and fakes...they only spoke the truth. Stick with the truth, not the commandments of man.
You wrote, "The first thing to know what are real sins."
If they did not differentiate between real sins and fakes, why should we?
Grailhunter
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Because they only preached real sins and told us to stood against the commandments of men.
Grailhunter
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Absolutely!
But you do not have to believe me, the Bible will tell you what real sins are.
There are some things we learned after the Bible...that slavery and polygamy are bad...wedding ceremonies are good...things like that. Christ prepared us for judging such things as looking at the fruits.
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