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What do you make of this?
How long will we not LACK any spiritual gift?

1 Corinthians 1:7 NIV
Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.

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God has Blessed His Born Again Children...we have beeb birthed in the Spirit...therefore in God’s spiritual Kingdom....

A Born Again has been given those spiritual eyes and ears...when the became Born Again....of course they/ we have to grow in this knowledge..which can only come from the Holy Spirit...he is our guide...his Spirit speaks to his children spirit....if you don’t have the Spirit of God....they are NOT his.

Ephesians 1:3
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Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

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All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ.

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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,

Berean Standard Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms.
 
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St. SteVen said:
I had a vision that took me to a geographic location to pray for a woman with advanced cancer.
A total stranger to me. (to make a long story short) Never saw her again.
I love it and believe it - but the I was quoting what "Ritajanice" - you saw that, right?

Why don't you tells us more, and what you believe the Lord told you about it all. :)
Yes, I knew you were quoting our beloved @Ritajanice
I had a comment on your post nonetheless.
Here's the story. The Bereans can bash away. - LOL

I recall it was a Sunday evening service at church. We had a local guest speaker I was familiar with.
After the sermon/teaching he was praying for people at the front of the church, the altar area.
I had gone down to help. Sometimes people go down when they are overwhelmed by the Spirit.
I was there as a catcher. I stood behind those being prayed for to make sure they had
a soft landing if they went down, Worship music was playing in the background.

Everyone had been prayed for, but I remained at the front worshiping God and enjoying his presence.
The song with a lyric "on eagles wings" was playing and so I stretched out my arms and swayed like and eagle in flight.
Just then the minister stepped forward and put a hand on my forehead declaring out loud, "Vision like an eagle!"
It startled me, I didn't anticipate it. But I received what he prophesied over me with a nod and a "Yes."

Nothing unusual happened in that moment. So I went me way thinking it was for another time. Indeed.

In the following weeks I began to have a recurring picture in my mind;s eye.
I recognized it as a familiar street in a neighboring city. I had no idea what it meant.
But it happened several times. And then stopped.

Several weeks later I was in the downtown area of my town on my bicycle.
I finished my business and was turning around to go home when I remember the area in the vision,
Since I wasn't far away, I thought I should ride over there and see if there was something there for me.

I rode up one side of the street looking at all the store fronts and anyone that might be there.
For some reason I was completely oblivious to what was happening right across the street. - LOL

I rode as far as I thought I needed to and decided to cross the street in the middle of the block
and go back on the other side. It was then that I notice a woman examining the back of her car as if it was damaged.
I also noticed that she looked rather sickly. A very pale complexion. Hmm... ???

I crossed the street and went past her. At that Moment God spoke to me loudly. "Go talk to that woman."
At that moment I also noticed the squad car at the scene of an accident that I had overlooked earlier.
As I turned my bike around, I asked God what I should say to her. My question was met with silence.
So typical for these encounters. - LOL

The woman was walking toward me so I stopped my bike. I needed to talk to her. What should I say?
As she neared I spoke up. "It looks like there was an accident here." She affirmed my comment and said she had been
hit by a car coming home from a doctor's appointment. At this point I was face to face with the woman.

She did look VERY sickly. I noticed that her hair was either falling out or growing back, not sure which.
And there were bumps on her head that looked like cancerous growths. So I asked here if she had cancer.

She conceded that she did indeed have cancer. I asked if I could pray for her. She agreed to let me do that.
I dismounted my bike and asked if I could lay a hand on her shoulder. Yes. I stumbled through an awkward prayer.
But I felt God's presence surrounding us. When I finished, she made the sign of the cross on her chest.
I assumed she was Catholic. I bid her well and left for home on my bicycle.

Tears streamed down my face as I considered what had just happened.
The logistics of this divine appointment blew my mind.

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St. SteVen said:
I had a vision that took me to a geographic location to pray for a woman with advanced cancer.
A total stranger to me. (to make a long story short) Never saw her again.

Yes, I knew you were quoting our beloved @Ritajanice
I had a comment on your post nonetheless.
Here's the story. The Bereans can bash away. - LOL

I recall it was a Sunday evening service at church. We had a local guest speaker I was familiar with.
After the sermon/teaching he was praying for people at the front of the church, the altar area.
I had gone down to help. Sometimes people go down when they are overwhelmed by the Spirit.
I was there as a catcher. I stood behind those being prayed for to make sure they had
a soft landing if they went down, Worship music was playing in the background.

Everyone had been prayed for, but I remained at the front worshiping God and enjoying his presence.
The song with a lyric "on eagles wings" was playing and so I stretched out my arms and swayed like and eagle in flight.
Just then the minister stepped forward and put a hand on my forehead declaring out loud, "Vision like an eagle!"
It startled me, I didn't anticipate it. But I received what he prophesied over me with a nod and a "Yes."

Nothing unusual happened in that moment. So I went me way thinking it was for another time. Indeed.

In the following weeks I began to have a recurring picture in my mind;s eye.
I recognized it as a familiar street in a neighboring city. I had no idea what it meant.
But it happened several times. And then stopped.

Several weeks later I was in the downtown area of my town on my bicycle.
I finished my business and was turning around to go home when I remember the area in the vision,
Since I wasn't far away, I thought I should ride over there and see if there was something there for me.

I rode up one side of the street looking at all the store fronts and anyone that might be there.
For some reason I was completely oblivious to what was happening right across the street. - LOL

I rode as far as I thought I needed to and decided to cross the street in the middle of the block
and go back on the other side. It was then that I notice a woman examining the back of her car as if it was damaged.
I also noticed that she looked rather sickly. A very pale complexion. Hmm... ???

I crossed the street and went past her. At that Moment God spoke to me loudly. "Go talk to that woman."
At that moment I also noticed the squad car at the scene of an accident that I had overlooked earlier.
As I turned my bike around, I asked God what I should say to her. My question was met with silence.
So typical for these encounters. - LOL

The woman was walking toward me so I stopped my bike. I needed to talk to her. What should I say?
As she neared I spoke up. "It looks like there was an accident here." She affirmed my comment and said she had been
hit by a car coming home from a doctor's appointment. At this point I was face to face with the woman.

She did look VERY sickly. I noticed that her hair was either falling out or growing back, not sure which.
And there were bumps on her head that looked like cancerous growths. So I asked here if she had cancer.

She conceded that she did indeed have cancer. I asked if I could pray for her. She agreed to let me do that.
I dismounted my bike and asked if I could lay a hand on her shoulder. Yes. I stumbled through an awkward prayer.
But I felt God's presence surrounding us. When I finished, she made the sign of the cross on her chest.
I assumed she was Catholic. I bid her well and left for home on my bicycle.

Tears streamed down my face as I considered what had just happened.
The logistics of this divine appointment blew my mind.

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We’re you baptised by the Holy Spirit?
 
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St. SteVen said:
What do you make of this?
How long will we not LACK any spiritual gift?

1 Corinthians 1:7 NIV
Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.
God has Blessed His Born Again Children...we have beeb birthed in the Spirit...therefore in God’s spiritual Kingdom....

A Born Again has been given those spiritual eyes and ears...when the became Born Again....of course they/ we have to grow in this knowledge..which can only come from the Holy Spirit...he is our guide...his Spirit speaks to his children spirit....if you don’t have the Spirit of God....they are NOT his.
I agree.
So, why did you quote 1 Corinthians 13 as a rebuttal?
Or did I misunderstand you? (I hope so)

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We’re you baptised by the Holy Spirit?
The short answer is, "Yes!"
But in the sense that Jesus meant. The Baptism WITH (in) the Holy Spirit.
As opposed to, or in addition to, water baptism.

Jesus said...

Acts 1:5 NIV
For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.”

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The short answer is, "Yes!"
But in the sense that Jesus meant. The Baptism WITH (in) the Holy Spirit.
As opposed to, or in addition to, water baptism.

Jesus said...

Acts 1:5 NIV
For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.”

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As you have said previously, everyone’s birthing is different.

Don’t you think our testimonies should line up with scripture?

So, God spoke to your spirit, is that what you are saying?

It’s the heart / spirit that God speaks to...not the mind..agree?
 
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@St. SteVen ..let’s just stay focused on the Spirit please.
Why would you say that?
I think everything I am writing is about the Spirit.

Are you blind to what I am saying to you?
Blinded by limiting doctrine that is taught by those who
teach you to close your ears to people like me?

Why do you think that Nicodemus couldn’t understand Jesus, when he said you must be Born Again?
Because what Jesus told him made absolutely no sense.
Easy for us to think he should have understood, and Jesus took that approach as well.
But I imagine no one had ever heard such an outrageous STRANGE teaching before.

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Are you blind to what I am saying to you?
Blinded by limiting doctrine that is taught by those who
teach you to close your ears to people like me?
Maybe I misunderstood your post. apologies.

Of course I’m not blind to what you are saying...remember we have those eyes and ears..

What do you mean people like you?

I class you as my Brother in Christ.
 
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As you have said previously, everyone’s birthing is different.
Yes, I still say that.
But the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is a subsequent event.
Sometimes it accompanies the initial conversion.

Did you have evidence of Spirit Baptism with your conversion?
In the book of Acts we see tongues, prophecy, and praising God.

If you were praising God, you may have received the Spirit baptism without knowing it.
If that is the case, you can operate in the other manifestations as the Spirit directs.

Check the context on this one.

1 Corinthians 12:11 NIV
All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,
and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Don’t you think our testimonies should line up with scripture?
Sure.
Are you claiming that mine doesn't?
I'll answer any questions you have about that.

So, God spoke to your spirit, is that what you are saying?
Yes, but it was MORE than that. Like an audible voice.

It’s the heart / spirit that God speaks to...not the mind..agree?
The heart is the mind. Our soul as I understand it.
We have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:16)

1 Thessalonians 5:23 NIV
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.
May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Did you have evidence of Spirit Baptism with your conversion?
In the book of Acts we see tongues, prophecy, and praising God.
I speak in tongues.....but in honesty..I haven’t spoken in tongues in years.

I also had a prophetic message as you know, delivered straight to my heart...by God’s Living word....you know the story.
 
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If you were praising God, you may have received the Spirit baptism without knowing it.
If that is the case, you can operate in the other manifestations as the Spirit directs.
I received the baptism in the Holy Spirit...by the mighty powerful word of God...delivered straight to my heart...I remember as he was indwelling me...his spirit testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children/Born Again....how else would I know I was Born Again?

Romans 8:16
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The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

New Living Translation
For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children.

English Standard Version
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,



It hit me like a bolt of lightning....there was NO way I could deny that...I was birthed in the Spirit and I know he is in my spirit 100%.....i am 100% Born Again...
He gave me those spiritual eyes and ears, the night I was saved from eternal damnation....of course they have had to grow and mature in the Spirit.

HEBREWS 4:12 (NIV)​

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.


Those who have doubted my testimony......I care not.....I only stand on the Living word of God.
 
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Hope this helps...LOL.

Satan is the author of confusion

Satan seeks to cause chaos, disorder, death, and destruction.

1. 1 Corinthians 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

2. 1 Peter 5:8 “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”

3. 2 Corinthians 2:11 “in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.”

4. Revelation 12:9-10 “And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.”

5. Ephesians 2:2 “in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.






The Motives Behind a Critical Spirit​

A critical spirit comes from within the heart of a person. Mark 7 tells us that sins such as evil thoughts, coveting, deceit, envy, and slander proceed from within a person. There are several factors that contribute to the development of a critical spirit.

1. Self-Factor​

This includes jealousy or envy, vengeance, anger, hatred, and holding grudges for the purpose of personal gain by destroying the other person.

2. Fear-Factor​

This involves feeling threatened by someone or feeling anxiety toward someone which produces a critical spirit as a way of self-protection.

3. Control-Factor​

This is feeling out of control and using manipulation and shaming someone in order to gain control.


What you are still missing is that Jesus Christ helps!!!

If you truly understood that it is Jesus Christ who helps us, then you would be seeking Him and what He has to say. Instead you put together a bunch of Scriptures are you own, and wind up putting together a number of steps that you feel will lead people to Him, or at least doing what you think He wants.

So it is common that "religious people", those leaning on their own understanding of God as opposed to actually talking to Him, so often want to make steps to God. It shows they "Misunderstand about hearing the Lord"!

Exo 20:26 ‘And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.'

You fail to understand the Bible, because you don't listen to Him!!!

You are telling yourself, and so other also: Do - #1, then # 2, then # 3, and you will be following the Lord, but that is not how it works!!!

We just seek Him and listen, that is all there is to it!!

The Lord once gave me this little parable:

There was an ant carrying a heavy who was looking up at this large hill, knowing that he had to take his load up to the top of the hill. At the same time there was this little boy looking down on a small ant hill, and the little boy just decided to jump on it for the fun of it. The question is; "What is your view point of the Kingdom of God?"

Mat 18:3 “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

So make your steps, pretend you are the help to other, copy and paste books of the Bible, but you will not get into the kingdom of heaven unless you are converted and become like children!!

Your religious attitude does not impress Him! So who has you confused?

Still, He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone, including you, decides to hear Him and open up to Him, He will come into you and eat with you and you with Him. (See Rev 3:20)

He will help you. He will reprove you. He will give you understanding. He will even guide your steps and tell you when to turn to the right and the left, but there are not steps to Him! Just seek Him and listen! He will even help you with discernment of spirits!

He will go over the test with you; have you use them so you will improve your hearing. He will sends His angels to minister to you so you can see how they are which helps you understand the difference between good and evil. He will show you little things in the Bible which are very important - like how the snakes first words were "Did God really say", and how the devils still often start in that pattern - so when you write to someone asking them something like "Did God really say" or "No one can prove God spoke to them." which is basically saying the same thing, then you will understand that you were not actually listening to Him, because you are passing on doubt and not faith!

So you need His help, and if you seek Him you will find Him, but it you lean on your own understanding you will get help from evil spirits to guide you down that path.

Prov 3: 5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

When you wrote the post above, you wrote on your own understanding, and you were wise in your own eyes. So you turn people to you and not Him. You say listen to me, instead of listen to Him!!

He once told me:

"Listen to me. listen to me. Karl, why to they say 'listen to me'? Isn't it because they are not listening to ME?"

Therefore, I make my message about listening to Him!! Do that. Listen to Him by faith! That is the One thing you must do!

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Luke 10:42 but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
 

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What you are still missing is that Jesus Christ helps!!!

If you truly understood that it is Jesus Christ who helps us, then you would be seeking Him and what He has to say. Instead you put together a bunch of Scriptures are you own, and wind up putting together a number of steps that you feel will lead people to Him, or at least doing what you think He wants.

So it is common that "religious people", those leaning on their own understanding of God as opposed to actually talking to Him, so often want to make steps to God. It shows they "Misunderstand about hearing the Lord"!

Exo 20:26 ‘And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.'

You fail to understand the Bible, because you don't listen to Him!!!

You are telling yourself, and so other also: Do - #1, then # 2, then # 3, and you will be following the Lord, but that is not how it works!!!

We just seek Him and listen, that is all there is to it!!

The Lord once gave me this little parable:

There was an ant carrying a heavy who was looking up at this large hill, knowing that he had to take his load up to the top of the hill. At the same time there was this little boy looking down on a small ant hill, and the little boy just decided to jump on it for the fun of it. The question is; "What is your view point of the Kingdom of God?"

Mat 18:3 “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

So make your steps, pretend you are the help to other, copy and paste books of the Bible, but you will not get into the kingdom of heaven unless you are converted and become like children!!

Your religious attitude does not impress Him! So who has you confused?

Still, He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone, including you, decides to hear Him and open up to Him, He will come into you and eat with you and you with Him. (See Rev 3:20)

He will help you. He will reprove you. He will give you understanding. He will even guide your steps and tell you when to turn to the right and the left, but there are not steps to Him! Just seek Him and listen! He will even help you with discernment of spirits!

He will go over the test with you; have you use them so you will improve your hearing. He will sends His angels to minister to you so you can see how they are which helps you understand the difference between good and evil. He will show you little things in the Bible which are very important - like how the snakes first words were "Did God really say", and how the devils still often start in that pattern - so when you write to someone asking them something like "Did God really say" or "No one can prove God spoke to them." which is basically saying the same thing, then you will understand that you were not actually listening to Him, because you are passing on doubt and not faith!

So you need His help, and if you seek Him you will find Him, but it you lean on your own understanding you will get help from evil spirits to guide you down that path.

Prov 3: 5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

When you wrote the post above, you wrote on your own understanding, and you were wise in your own eyes. So you turn people to you and not Him. You say listen to me, instead of listen to Him!!

He once told me:

"Listen to me. listen to me. Karl, why to they say 'listen to me'? Isn't it because they are not listening to ME?"

Therefore, I make my message about listening to Him!! Do that. Listen to Him by faith! That is the One thing you must do!

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Luke 10:42 but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
John 8:47
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Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

New Living Translation
Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don’t listen because you don’t belong to God.”

English Standard Version
Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

Berean Standard Bible
Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Berean Literal Bible
He who is of God hears the words of God; because of this, you do not hear, because you are not of God."

King James Bible
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear themnot, because ye are not of God.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJVBut the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 

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John 31Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council.2 He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. [1] "4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit [2] gives birth to spirit.7 You should not be surprised at my saying, `You [3] must be born again.'8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things?11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. [4]14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. [5]16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [6] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. [7]19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." [8]22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.23Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized.24(This was before John was put in prison.)25An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew [9] over the matter of ceremonial washing.26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified about--well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."27 To this John replied, "A man can receive only what is given him from heaven.28 You yourselves can testify that I said, `I am not the Christ [10] but am sent ahead of him.'29 The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.30 He must become greater; I must become less.31 "The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.33 The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful.34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God [11] gives the Spirit without limit.35 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
 

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John 10

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10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 And many believed on him there.
 

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John 8:47
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New International Version
Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

New Living Translation
Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don’t listen because you don’t belong to God.”

English Standard Version
Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

Berean Standard Bible
Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Berean Literal Bible
He who is of God hears the words of God; because of this, you do not hear, because you are not of God."

King James Bible
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear themnot, because ye are not of God.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJVBut the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The verses are fabulous, but if you believed them you would point people to Him and not yourself!

So read them, seek Him, and stop telling yourself that you are the help.