Your bible, yes. There be other gospels with their own bibles written for them.
Many Are Called But Few Chosen = Matthew 22;1-10
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The good news is that if any man now repents of sinning, that man can now come to Christ to be chosen of God to walk with Him in all manner of holiness.
The gospel call is to repent and come freely. Them that repent and come are chosen to be conformed to Christ. Them that are conformed faithfully are rewarded and raised from the dead unto life.
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Calling is by hearing, chosen is by repentance, inheritance is by faithfulness.
The unrepented are not chosen, and the unfaithful do not inherit.
quietthinker
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@Ghada
The Gospel is the Good News that Christ has been exalted to give repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31
31 Him[Christ] hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Thats the Gospel Jesus told them to Preach Lk 24:47
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
The Gospel is the Good News that Christ has been exalted to give repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31
31 Him[Christ] hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Thats the Gospel Jesus told them to Preach Lk 24:47
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
quietthinker
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@Ritajanice It's no joke. The confusion is basic; people cannot tell the difference between the good news and good advice. The responsibility is shuffled off onto the various selectively quoted texts.
John the Baptist preached a message of good advice....repent and be baptised. This appears to be the favourite narrative. Dismissing Grace or reinterpreting it because it doesn't fit into their way they think God should do things. They haven't 'heard' the 3.5yrs of Jesus' unremitting activity. They reinterpret him to fit into the narrow confines of carnality.
May I offer a progression?
1...The Law required sacrifices offered before sins could be forgiven. 2....John negated the Law's requirements by saying 'repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sins' ie, John gave them advice without the requirement of spilt blood. 3...Jesus ups the ante and forgives before any confession, any repentance, any baptism, any blood sacrifice.
His first words to the paralytic being let down through the roof before anything else was, 'your sins are forgiven' and the religious crowd took offence.
The man paralysed at the pool for 38 yrs didn't know who Jesus was yet he was healed.
The blind man who washed the mud off his eyes that Jesus applied couldn't identify Jesus either
GRACE is beyond what the carnality of man imagines so they reinterpret it to fit their faulty paradigm.
John the Baptist preached a message of good advice....repent and be baptised. This appears to be the favourite narrative. Dismissing Grace or reinterpreting it because it doesn't fit into their way they think God should do things. They haven't 'heard' the 3.5yrs of Jesus' unremitting activity. They reinterpret him to fit into the narrow confines of carnality.
May I offer a progression?
1...The Law required sacrifices offered before sins could be forgiven. 2....John negated the Law's requirements by saying 'repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sins' ie, John gave them advice without the requirement of spilt blood. 3...Jesus ups the ante and forgives before any confession, any repentance, any baptism, any blood sacrifice.
His first words to the paralytic being let down through the roof before anything else was, 'your sins are forgiven' and the religious crowd took offence.
The man paralysed at the pool for 38 yrs didn't know who Jesus was yet he was healed.
The blind man who washed the mud off his eyes that Jesus applied couldn't identify Jesus either
GRACE is beyond what the carnality of man imagines so they reinterpret it to fit their faulty paradigm.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God....period....Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Of course the carnal mind wouldn’t and couldn’t understand this.?
Own knowledge of Gods word means NOTHING!....unless one is Born of God?
Romans 8:7-11
Romans 8:7-11 KJV
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.So...why wouldn’t the “ carnal mind” understand this scripture above?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Progression?
We’re under the New Covenant..the Old Covenant doesn’t apply to a Born Again.
Those who were chosen by the Father in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
So this is new to you ? You never heard of Gods elect before in scripture ?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Would a new babe understand that scripture?...I certainly didn’t when I was one...I was led to understand why God chose me,..by the Holy Spirit...as one must be Born Again and mature in God to understand that scripture...the Spirit testifies the truth of Gods word to our spirit ....imo.
Its up to God who understands scripture, I do know that Election in Christ is a foundational Gospel Truth.
You think so?
The good news is the sure promise of God to fulfill His prophecy of a NT to give a whole new heart and clean life to them that repent of their sins for His sake.
The commandment to all men is to repent. The promise is a whole new life and walk with Himself through His Son.
1stCenturyLady
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Many are called but few are chosen does not have to do with salvation. The called means calling everyone to salvation but the chosen are who God chooses for an office.
Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, He may give it you.
One passage that refers to the apostles has been misused to be about all the saved. John uses key words in his writings. John 17 when Jesus is praying for the apostles we see the key word "give" and its derivatives that shows the Father giving special men to Jesus as apostles, even Judas. But God still "gave" Judas to Jesus for the fulfilling of Scripture. The verse misused is in John 10. It is the number one verse Calvinists use to prove OSAS, but they are wrong, unfortunately. There is another verse they should adapt that has more truth and doesn't cause the abomination of license to sin associated with it and the modern OSAS doctrine has.
John 17:6-19
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
For real assurance without hypocrisy study 1 John 3:21-24.
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, He may give it you.
One passage that refers to the apostles has been misused to be about all the saved. John uses key words in his writings. John 17 when Jesus is praying for the apostles we see the key word "give" and its derivatives that shows the Father giving special men to Jesus as apostles, even Judas. But God still "gave" Judas to Jesus for the fulfilling of Scripture. The verse misused is in John 10. It is the number one verse Calvinists use to prove OSAS, but they are wrong, unfortunately. There is another verse they should adapt that has more truth and doesn't cause the abomination of license to sin associated with it and the modern OSAS doctrine has.
John 17:6-19
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
For real assurance without hypocrisy study 1 John 3:21-24.
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Wouldnt it seem proper that God first give a new heart and then command to repent ?
Yes, few chosen doesn't mean the countless millions of so-called or self professed Christians in the world that all believe and practice something different and adhere to man contrived doctrine.
Matthew 7:14
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I see your point, and I understand you are trying to make a practical argument. And on the face of it, it seems entirely practical and logical: Shouldn't we need the new heart of Christ with power to repent? And so keep the commandment of God to repent of our sinning?
The simple answer is by a simple question: Proper to who? To God or to man? Afterall, it's God, not sinful man, who commands men everywhere to repent, in order to receive the promised NT heart of Christ from God. It's God who holds all the cards, not man. And it's man who needs God, not God who needs man.
And so we see it's not just a matter of practical logic about man's power, but of belief in God's word of commandment. The nature of unrepentant sinful man, is that If the heart believes not, then the mind argues against it.
And so it's sinful man that ought and must please our Creator, and satisfy the demands of the true God, and not our Creator that needs satisfy the objections of man to His commandment.
This is the cliff notes answer, that you can consider and answer, if you want. (I'll draw it out in as much detail as I can in more posts.)
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First off, the error is using our own practical logic. We are not speaking of the things of man only, but of the things of the true God, whose ways are not our ways, and our ways are not His ways.
What is practical to God is not practical to man, but with God all things are possible for man to do. Why? Because we are in fact made in His image in the first place. Since God does command all sinners to repent, then it is in deed and in truth possible for any man to repent, even while being sinners separated from God by their sinning.
And this is true in practice. People repent of all manner of things at any given time, if they so choose to from the heart. And it doesn't have to do with God.
And so, we see that indeed, the very commandment to man by the all powerful God, is proof and confession of God, that man does have practical power to do so. Arguments against it proves even more so the power of man to resist the power of that true God.
By God's commandment to any and all men, He is arguing for man's power to obey. Any arguments against doing so, is for the weakness of man. And the source of that weak argument? The god of this world, not the only true God.
Man has power to choose whom to obey or not ,and any argument against that power is a weak lie to justify choose another god and christ, than the true God Jesus Christ.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
This is a clear statement by the God of the Bible, that man chooses whom to obey, ands so has power to do so. It is man that yields his own power to serve another.
The Scripture is the opposite of unwilling servants, but of willingness from the heart. The Bible Light in fact shines in a world of darkness, contrary to the 'natural selection' lie of despots: All men everywhere do have power to choose whom to obey and serve. That truth is revealed by the power all people have by virtue of being created in the image of the true God, and also is lighted by Christ Himself when coming into the world.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Conclusion: Any sinful man does have power to repent of sinning, which is proven by the all powerful God commandment every sinner to do so.
Next, The ignored elephant in the room is that God in the Bible does certainly command men everywhere to repent (Acts 17). And He does so in order to give that man the promised NT heart of Christ.
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And it is this pain commandment, that is the only reason any argument about it is made. Arguing about it first acknowledges the commandment (Which in itself proves man's power to do so), and so in turn proves the unwillingness to obey.
It's only an unbelieving heart, that argues against doing what man can do from the heart. Therefore, unrepentant sinful man only turns to a any argument of 'practical logic' for cover.
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Jesus is flatly saying that if God had not commanded all men to repent, then men would indeed have a cover for sinning, under the banner of 'weakness' of power. Which of course is the lie of the devil given to any man that repents now, and seeks to justify it.
All disobedient sinners are not dishonest with themselves nor God. But hypocrites are known for not being honest with God nor themselves. Rather than just saying, No, I don't want to, they instead come up with 'practical reasons' not to.
Honest children of disobedience are like the one that flatly says not to the master, but then repents and does the master's will. Doing good only begins with being honest to God and ourselves.
Conclusion: The commandment from God is good. It proves man has power to do it. Some men choose to do so. Some choose not to. And some choose to lie to God, themselves, and others and say they have no power nor choice in the matter.
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