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One more thing that comes to mind is how the Temple was set up. You had the outer court where anyone, no matter what nation they are from, they were welcome to go in the outer court and participate, during the celebrations, and sacrifices. They would stand out and look towards the temple, during the sacrifice festivities, and praise Yahava, the God of Israel for their sins having been forgive, when smoke came from the holy of holies, which was Yahava, showing his glory there to the not only the Jewish people, however other nations as well. This was called "The Way."

Then there was an inner court years, which only for the time Jewish people were only allowed here, these were the first ones to have been have access with Yahava, and it was set up this way, however they call this place "The Truth," and they would do there certain festivities there, and they would have a High Priest go in and offer the sacrifice, and they would tie a rope around him, in case he was to die and they had to drag his body out. Because they never knew if Yahava would accept their sacrifice that year or not, only hoped, and when the smoke rolled in, and out their connection with Yahava had been restored and they would shout and praise, some staying faith, some falling away from faith, and continuing to go without having faith. The more one comes in from following the way, and start to learn the truth, they start to grow.

While there was a separation between the outer court, and the inner court, there was the last place of the temple called the Holy of Holies, and that is where "life is found."

With this imagery made, think for a moment of what is proclaimed in Revelation 21-22, you can see, that all people are called to come into the Kingdom, and there is the outside world of the Kingdom itself, where people who never cared to enter in, doing about their own things. There are those, who are of the way - they look faithful towards Yahava, there are those are seek more for truth, truth to set them free, and then they can enter into where life is found, that connection with Yahava, by and through the Lord, or simply looking to the one whom made the Stars, Space, The Skies, the Earth, in faith and walking in love. There is a Kingdom that is setup, perhaps it has different sections, however there is no Jew, Gentile, Male, or Female, like in the past, there is all those who are in Christ, are now one together in him because of faith in Him, makes one right with Yahava, the Father, because of the righteousness of the Lord and his sacrifice on the cross, for the love God, and the love other others, while the sin of mankind killed him through the cup of suffering. Raised back up on the third day. Anyone who desires to be a child of God can become on by faith and looking towards him, those who want to mature, will grow through these stages that seem to be set up in the temple.

From outside, to the way, to the truth, to the life, which Yeshua said - "I am the way, the truth, and the life,." His words are spirit and life, all people must go through these phases of life, and make their overall decision, to remain faithful or to reject and give everything up for something else rather than faith towards God, and it all piles and stacks on one as they go through life. All of everyone has issues, and to get through this life can be tough, trusting God does help, and he is there to help, anyone who desires to call out to him, and to do his will in believing on his Son, and loving God first and loving others.
 

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It was a serpent, not a
primate !
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Hello Lamb,

Thank you for reading anything that was written. If you look that word up in a different language, that just english you can find it relates to also "observer." A snake can observe it's surroundings to some form or effect. The orangutang thing is not anything new, I believe a man named Adam Clarke, wrote something about it. I don't really worry about this conversation of genesis, It was something that was able to observe, and some how able to speak, in this earth, that was in connection with God. Idk what could happen, just am glad to share thoughts if anything, no one has to take anything I speak or say seriously, and I dont expect people too either.
 
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You are correct, friend.
The devil and his demons believe God and his word and can also quote it.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Here again is their form of deception.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for SATAN HIMSELF TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works.


Churches, affiliations, denominations and organizations are susceptible to deception and it is becoming more wide-spread in all of Christendom !
The betrayal and betrayer has come FROM WITHIN . Oh yes , FROM WITHIN .
to decieve and to allure many right into a lie .
As with judas the one called the son of perdition so too with this other spirit . Judas was as though he was one FROM WITHIN
And so too does this dark spirit of what is known and called of anti christ has inflitrated the realm known as christendom
to take captive many through its men . AND NO MARVEL . THIS is one of the major warnings of JESUS HIMSELF
THIS is one of the major warnings of paul to the leaders of ephesus in acts
and in his letters to the corinthians and others . THEY HAVE COME IN AS AMONGST US
as even jude wrote . THEY HAVE CREPT IN , IN , IN
into what , CHURCHES . they turn the grace of GOD into lascivouisness , denying the ONLY GOD and CHRIST JESUS .
THIS HAS GROWN MASSIVE NOW . it has filled its course and its cup runneth over with fornications against GOD .
THE HARLOT does not sleep she has poured her cup of fonication upon the world .
We see this at work even in the days of JERSUALEM . SHE TOO , her leaders too had turned the house of GOD
into a house of darkness and death . SHE HAS COME WITHIN CHRISTENDOM under the guise
she is of GOD , that she is no widow . SHE IS A HARLOT , her father is the dragon and many men , many leaders
WITHIN EVEN CHRISTENDOM DO HER WORK , DO IT in the name of JESUS CHRIST and yet KNOW NOT GOD OR CHRIST
but come to fleece the peoples . And many now sit under her teachers and simply LOVE TO HAVE IT SO .
but what will they do in the END THEREOF . the lambs WONT BE EATING NOR DRINKING OF HER ROTTEN TABLE .
Lambs eat OF THE MEAT OF THE LORD . HIS WORDS . HIS WORDS are our meat .
 

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What does a minister of the Devil teach?

Well, they Teach Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, Paganism, and other "ism's".
They teach RELIGION.
They teach that there are "many paths to God".

What does a false christian, (Devil's ministers) teach?

They teach the Gospel of water and works.
They teach the Gospel of law and commandments
They teach the Gospel of enduring
They teach the Gospel of holding onto faith
They teach the Gospel of "doing righteousness is to be righteous".

Paul says they "teach a FORM of Godliness, but deny the power of real Godliness".


And what is that Power? Its the Cross and the Blood Atonement that is "the preaching of the Cross".

Now here is the truly harmful part.
It can be that a Christian has become one of those..
Jesus refers to those here.. Luke 11:35

How do you find one?
Very simple.

Ask them if they believe that Jesus Keeps them saved.

And if they say.. "well, He does as long as i confess, and live right, and keep commandments, and do my SELF EFFORT LIST, and make sure i trust in WATER Baptism".

That's how you spot them.. As they DO NOT actually Believe that Jesus Keeps them saved.

They are "FALLEN... From... GRACE". "In the Flesh" and "Bewitched".......Paul teaches.
Watch the one big word that gets highlighted and you will see what the power truly is .
FOR i am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST , for it is THE POWER OF GOD unto all who do beleive .
YEAH , yet today all inclusive teaches but a form of godliness , teaching maybe do some good works and etc
YET IT DENIES THE POWER THEREOF . SO FROM IT I DO TURN AWAY . FLEE that hell hole my friends and never look back .
SHE is a liar and will teach indeed teach many paths to GOD . ITS ALL A SHAM . it is indeed a lie from the father of lies
THE DEVIL . And always remember any who teaches JESUS is a supporter of a ministir o sin , IS A LIAR .
JESUS DONT SUPPORT ANY SIN . JESUS would not be holding rainbow flags and saying hAPPY PRIDE DAY . What an abomination
to even dare to say HE WOULD . Folks better wake up and fast too .
 

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Judas was as though he was one FROM WITHIN

Judas is interesting..

Did you know that there is a teaching, ( i dont teach it).. but ive been around it... that teaches that "the Son of Perdition", the Anti Christ, is Satan as Judas, resurrected.
That's interesting isn't it. ?

Jesus said something interesting about Judas .....>Jesus said "one of you is A Devil".....
He didnt say, "has a devil, or has a demon".. .so that is interesting, isn't it?

And the question is... Had Judas not killed Himself, before Christ was slain on the Cross for Judas's sin, and all of ours,, could Judas have been redeemed?

After all, Peter also betrayed Jesus......not just Judas.

Just a difference regarding the degree.....of betrayal.
 
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Judas is interesting..

Did you know that there is a teaching, ( i dont teach it).. but ive been around it... that teaches that "the Son of Perdition", the Anti Christ, is Satan as Judas, resurrected.
That's interesting isn't it. ?

Jesus said something interesting about Judas .....>Jesus said "one of you is A Devil".....
He didnt say, "has a devil, or has a demon".. .so that is interesting, isn't it?

And the question is... Had Judas not killed Himself, before Christ was slain on the Cross for Judas's sin, and all of ours,, could Judas have been redeemed?

After all, Peter also betrayed Jesus......not just Judas.
It also cleary says satan entered into him too . at the table .
Judas was as one among them , but was not in heart truly of them . JESUS KNEW THAT TOO .
Judas could trick the desciples , but NOT JESUS THE CHRIST . and many can trick and decieve themselves
BUT NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST . TIME TO POINT TO JESUS CHRIST and all things HE did teach
to all things later the apostles left us in letters , to all pure and holy GOD INSPIRED scriptures .
Cause the spirit of the christ called anti has not been at rest nor asleep . JOHN spoke it even IN HIS DAYS
and what DID HE SAY , HE WHO DENIES JESUS AS THE CHRIST IS a liar , THIS IS ANTI CHRIST and deciever .
YEAH THE ALL INCLUSIVE FALSE LOVEY DO IS COMING FROM THAT WHICH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . and most folks are buying right into
the lie of its false love , sin accepting , many pathway to GOD LIE from the dragon . But the lambs , THEY WONT .
JESUS HAS THE SHEEP . THEY DONT HEED the voice of the stranger . THEY FOLLOW THE KING .
 
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They did lose that close personal connection with the LORD when they were lead out of the Garden; that is where the 'dying spiritually' comes in, cause God did promise they would die, if they partook, but die how? They both lived for a long time before dying.
Who says that "close personal connection" was lost the moment they ate, OR even in the 24 hour period after they ate? Does that come from scripture or just the church????

My scripture I am presently basing my opinion on is this;
GEN 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
 

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Judas is interesting..

Did you know that there is a teaching, ( i dont teach it).. but ive been around it... that teaches that "the Son of Perdition", the Anti Christ, is Satan as Judas, resurrected.
That's interesting isn't it. ?

Jesus said something interesting about Judas .....>Jesus said "one of you is A Devil".....
He didnt say, "has a devil, or has a demon".. .so that is interesting, isn't it?

And the question is... Had Judas not killed Himself, before Christ was slain on the Cross for Judas's sin, and all of ours,, could Judas have been redeemed?

After all, Peter also betrayed Jesus......not just Judas.

Just a difference regarding the degree.....of betrayal.
Peter did not betray JESUS . JUDAS DID . PETER did not help lead JESUS into a trap .
What peter did was SIMPLY DENY HIM . which is bad enough my friend . BUT PETER had no part in HIS betrayal .
that was judas . JUDAS BETRAYED , peter denied . always remember that . BUT ALSO remember this
ONCE PETER had been endued from on high by the POWER of the SPIRIT
he would not DENY JESUS again . HE went to his own crucifixation years later procliaming JESUS AS the CHRIST .
SO , yeah peter actually REPENTED of his wickedness . Let no man , woman or child
buy the lie of the all inclusive false unity rainbow sin accepting many path accepting lie , though it cometh in the name
of love , IT IS NOT LOVE and cometh NOT OF GOD but is of the world of the dragon and operates through men
and women whose love is of the world . Let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST sip not , eat not
at her table of compromise for unity . Its a puke filled , feces filled trough of fornication .
 
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well until you tell me what type of death they died. then i will have to stick with what I have been taught.

He does not have to say the word spiritual for us to know that is what type of death they died.. You have been shown in the NT, where everyone died when adam died..

what type of death..

I am not sure why you are being this way, I even tried to take it private.. This makes me sad
What died on the cross as the price for sin....which was death. Was it his ALIVE spirit that died? NO. Was it Jesus' "sinful FLESH" natured body? YES!

Adam/Eve both died physical deaths, although there is no record of Eve ever dying, but scripture does say Adam died at a ripe old age. But it was still in 'the day of the flood' which SPIRITUALLY was "as a 1,000. years". Not even Methuselah made it past 960. How did they die? Like all die. their alive "spirit returns to God who gave it".

2PE 3:8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The 'death sentence' is not "dead thou art dead". The literal morphology of that verse?????
YLT GEN 2:17* and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it - dying thou dost die.'

ECC 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
What good is a dead spirit born of the Holy Spirit of God?
 

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What died on the cross as the price for sin....which was death. Was it his ALIVE spirit that died? NO. Was it Jesus' "sinful FLESH" natured body? YES!

Adam/Eve both died physical deaths, although there is no record of Eve ever dying, but scripture does say Adam died at a ripe old age. But it was still in 'the day of the flood' which SPIRITUALLY was "as a 1,000. years". Not even Methuselah made it past 960. How did they die? Like all die. their alive "spirit returns to God who gave it".

2PE 3:8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The 'death sentence' is not "dead thou art dead". The literal morphology of that verse?????
YLT GEN 2:17* and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it - dying thou dost die.'

ECC 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
What good is a dead spirit born of the Holy Spirit of God?
Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one
 

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Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one
He did come in the same likeness of the same sinful flesh we all have . YET HE himself without sin .
HE had to come and overcome for our sakes what we could not overcome by the flesh .
HE had to be made in our same flesh . To save those in that same flesh what we could not save ourselves from , and that is death .
Jesus was tempted in all points , BUT HE NEVER SINNED . But he was made in the same likenss of our flesh .
The bible proves this . Yet again HE never sinned once . not even once . nope not even once .
And any who does teach he sinned , WELL YOU ALREADY KNOW THEY A LIAR . be encouraged my dear friend .
 

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1 John 4:3​


“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”


John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
 
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How could Adam sin, if he didn’t have a sin nature like Jesus..as a member posted?

I hope Jesus had flesh otherwise he’d have been walking around as a bag of bones.
Adam didn't have the sin nature (sin-corrupted flesh) to pin him to sinfulness, and he didn't have the indwelling Holy Spirit to pin him to righteousness, just an innocent righteous spirit, capable of choosing what he would do.

I think Jesus never made the wrong choice because He is intrinsically good. You can put Him to any test, and He will remain what He is, good.

I think Adam inevitably made the wrong choice because he did not have innate goodness, that is, he wasn't good in and of himself, having been fashioned that way by God.

I think that what God gives to us we can lose, unless it is made sure by God Himself. God did not put in place anything that would prevent Adam from choosing wrong, or from being destroyed by his choice. We have the Holy Spirit, God Himself, with His innate goodness, living in us. Adam, I don't think he had that. So I think it was just a matter of time.

I think this is the only way God could attain to His intent, which was to have a family of those who want to be His family. Without offering a choice you can't have that.

Much love!
 

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Adam didn't have the sin nature (sin-corrupted flesh) to pin him to sinfulness, and he didn't have the indwelling Holy Spirit to pin him to righteousness, just an innocent righteous spirit, capable of choosing what he would do.

I was just quoting another poster who said Adam had the same nature as Christ..they were both born/ created without a sin nature.....how would they know this firstly?

Secondly it’s not biblical.
I think Jesus never made the wrong choice because He is intrinsically good. You can put Him to any test, and He will remain what He is, good.

I think Adam inevitably made the wrong choice because he did not have innate goodness, that is, he wasn't good in and of himself, having been fashioned that way by God.

I think that what God gives to us we can lose, unless it is made sure by God Himself. God did not put in place anything that would prevent Adam from choosing wrong, or from being destroyed by his choice. We have the Holy Spirit, God Himself, with His innate goodness, living in us. Adam, I don't think he had that. So I think it was just a matter of time.

I think this is the only way God could attain to His intent, which was to have a family of those who want to be His family. Without offering a choice you can't have that.

Much love!
Thanks for your opinion...this is what they posted below.?

Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one.

Does that make sense to you?...


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God said they that would die. They continued in physical life, so the question becomes? Then did they die or not? And if so, in what way?

The NT teaches us about spiritual death, and Jesus' teaching that we have to be born again. Personally, I don't know another way to understand this.

How was it that condemnation came upon all men for his sin? Does that mean that sinless and innocent and uncorrupted babies are condemned when they become alive? Or does it mean that there are no sinless and innocent babies,because Humanity was permanently and irretrievably damaged by Adams sin?

Much love!
the NT does teach PHYSICAL/flesh death due to sin. But sin which is a death sentence which will take place WHEN?

JAM 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.

Hmm so DEATH doesn't happen the moment or 'the 24 day' you sin? Nope, not even since the ANTEDILUVIAN AGE where lifespans of 969 ended and even the oldest man living who was born late in the ANTIDELUVIAN age (Noah)died at 350 (I think).

So why did the covenant of "the law of sin and death" so affect lifspans? How about because SIN HAS INCREASED and the TARES of today are choking ME/THEE as I strive to be "perfect" as "the Father" and as /"holy as the son".

" In fact before wheat produces fruit, the tares look IDENTICAL to WHEAT. In the spring, wheat and tares grow together but the tares grow faster and shoot their branches over the wheat, preventing the wheat from growing and ripening. Therefore, the tares appear taller, stronger and healthier then wheat."
 
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I was just quoting another poster who said Adam had the same nature as Christ..they were both born/ created without a sin nature.....how would they know this firstly?

Secondly it’s not biblical.

Thanks for your opinion...this is what they posted below.?

Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one.

Does that make sense to you?...


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1698090059155.png man rita you quick . that looks like me after having to sit through but five minutes
of men who preach contrary to CHRIST . Rita are you following me around ................lol .
 
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