Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[marks]

No,

I am trying to find out why you are so mad.. I do not see this from you

You should listen to Ritajanice about this . . . I'm seeing what she's seeing. "Is it pride?" for instance.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

And, this should be read right along side other things Jesus said... where He said there are things believers can do that will result in them being lost

Jesus never taught that you can lose your salvation.

In Fact, He taught the opposite.

He said that if you believe in Him, He will give you eternal life and you shall never go to hell. (perish).


So @Big Boy Johnson ...... The verses you used, were all written before Jesus was Crucified, and from this blood atonement, comes the creation of the "Body of Christ"= the Church".

So, all your verses, were not written to the Church, the Body of Christ, as there was no body of Christ yet.

And also,

A person who has received Salvation, is Born Again, and this is a spiritual birth that is not related to behavior.

A believer can never stop being born again.

 

[MatthewG]

This very distinguishing of the tripartite of man invariably leads to the discussing God's essences..

My " but" was simply a conjunction, nothing more nothing less than the combining of two thoughts...lol

Hello Lamb,

Something you said here reminds me of the simple lay out.

God, God's Word, God's Spirit.

God breathed life into Adam - he became a living soul.

(Mind/will/emotions) - Image of God, mankind is created in.

Adam and eve are shown as the first two to have open relationship with God on earth, along with the fallen angel.

Adam and Eve - had spiritual life because they were able to communicate with God, while in the garden.

Disobeyed a command - Sentence was give, and they were departed out with their sentencing, yet God still loved them enough to sacrifice a animal to make them some better clothes. Eve later praised God for her son Abel, which means " breathe, vapor."

The spiritual connection of being able to have access with God so freely was cut off - and because of this leaving this place into the new world, seems to say that all people start of spiritually dead, until they become spiritually made alive. (Ephesians 2; Romans 5:1-17.)

It all comes by looking and having faith towards God - all people are born into a body, that has a soul with-in it, and new spiritually born again followers of Yeshua, have a choice to call out and pray to God every day, and ask him to be there and help despite the hardships of life, and they start building up their spiritual house on the foundation of Christ which in the end God will reward that follower for their faithfulness, and looking towards Yahava, and having fellowship with his Son Yeshua the Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't see how it can mean that. I have to just go with the passage itself. "The day you eat you die." I believe it's true.

Ok, we differ in our opinion....so you believe they died straight away, physically?...or do you believe they died in their spirit?...which in honesty, dying in their spirit doesn’t make sense to me....anyway I shall give it over to God...

What was your question, I'm sorry?

Much love!

Don’t worry @marks....be back later,I will have to scroll back to find it...

I will pray about it Brother...always a pleasure to discuss with you...Praise God.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for the discussion everyone.

 

[Behold]

Because, the OSAS peoples keep telling everybody that it's not possible to lose your salvation

Its very obvious to me that you do not understand Salvation as the Cross of Christ.... @Big Boy Johnson

And if you tried to explain Salvation, .. there wont be any Cross or Blood Atonement in it,..... however... there will be a lot of.. "what i have to do to try to Stay saved"..

See, once a person understands that Salvation is the Grace of God offered as the Cross of Christ.....then they will stop trying to earn it or keep it, and they will understand why it can't be "lost".

Its like this.. you can only LOSE what you've done, accomplished, or earned, ... And Salvation is not what you do. Its what God gives you, according to His mercy., as a GIFT.

"The GIFT of Salvation", and "The Gift of Righteousness"

= "And the GifTS and calling of God, are without Repentance"... = This means, He will never take them back, and they can never be ended. "without repentance". = FOREVER.
This is Romans 11, and once again, that is Paul's Doctrine.

A.) Salvation is JESUS. And when a person has Jesus in them, then that is their Salvation.

"Christ IN YOU< the hope of Glory" is Salvation eternally gained, and that cant be "lost".

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you for the discussion everyone.

You too...God Bless.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok, we differ in our opinion....so you believe they died straight away, physically?...or do you believe they died in their spirit?...which in honesty, dying in their spirit doesn’t make sense to me....anyway I shall give it over to God...

Don’t worry @marks....be back later,I will have to scroll back to find it...

I will pray about it Brother...always a pleasure to discuss with you...Praise God.

When adam and later eve were created they were not born again . But they were not yet dead in sin either .
The day they ate of that tree THAT DEATH CAME UPON THEM and from then on the only way back to GOD
to truly enter into LIFE , would come by JESUS CHRIST . He alone is how one can be born again .
Even adam , eve , to david , to all slept now in the dirt . These did die in faith beleiving in a COMING MESSIAH .
WHEN JESUS AROSE THESE AROSE too from the grave . And in mathew twenty seven we see them write about it .
Many of the saints that slept arose from graves and many seen them .
THE KEY is once adam and eve ate of the TREE DEATH came upon them and upon all mankind ever since .
THE KEY , BORN AGAIN . that which is of the flesh is fleshly but that which is of the SPRIIT is SPIRIT .
Its so very high time the church gets busy pointing everyone and all BACK to the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
and folks better make darn sure its the JESUS OF THE BIBLE and not some other version of him they be a following either .
Now raise those hands , Cause i do believe the time on deck is YET AGAIN , LORD PRAISING and THANKING TIME
in the building and round the earth . Dance a jig of praise to the glorious LORD .

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Hello Lamb,

Something you said here reminds me of the simple lay out.

God breathed life into Adam - he became a living soul.

Adam and Eve - had spiritual life because they were able to communicate with God, while in the garden.

Disobeyed a command - Sentence was give, and they were cast out with their sentencing, yet God still loved them enough to sacrifice a animal to make them some better clothes. Eve later praised God for her son Abel, which means " breathe, vapor."

The spiritual connection of being able to have access with God so freely was cut off - and because of this leaving this place into the new world, seems to say that all people start of spiritually dead, until they become spiritually made alive. (Ephesians 2; Romans 5:1-17.)

I edited your post in quote.

**"Something you said here reminds me of the simple lay out'. Matthew

Body ( dust of the earth; clay vessels formed by the potter unto which we decay and return)
Spirit ( the essence of man, who he is as opposed to an animal,which also has a spirit, but it lives by instinct whereas we have a cognitive ability to think & process our will, emotions and feelings)
Soul ( only by the breath of God aka the Spirit of God were we animated to become a living soul. One that has weight by our choices on how we live our lives and which will be held accountability to God, to eternal life or a second death )

 

[Ritajanice]

When adam and later eve were created they were not born again . But they were not yet dead in sin either .
The day they ate of that tree THAT DEATH CAME UPON THEM and from then on the only way back to GOD
to truly enter into LIFE , would come by JESUS CHRIST . He alone is how one can be born again .
Even adam , eve , to david , to all slept now in the dirt . These did die in faith beleiving in a COMING MESSIAH .
WHEN JESUS AROSE THESE AROSE too from the grave . And in mathew twenty seven we see them write about it .
Many of the saints that slept arose from graves and many seen them .
THE KEY is once adam and eve ate of the TREE DEATH came upon them and upon all mankind ever since .
THE KEY , BORN AGAIN . that which is of the flesh is fleshly but that which is of the SPRIIT is SPIRIT .
Its so very high time the church gets busy pointing everyone and all BACK to the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
and folks better make darn sure its the JESUS OF THE BIBLE and not some other version of him they be a following either .
Now raise those hands , Cause i do believe the time on deck is YET AGAIN , LORD PRAISING and THANKING TIME
in the building and round the earth . Dance a jig of praise to the glorious LORD .

Thank you for your opinion @amigo de christo ..

 

[marks]

Ok, we differ in our opinion....so you believe they died straight away, physically?...or do you believe they died in their spirit?...which in honesty, dying in their spirit doesn’t make sense to me....anyway I shall give it over to God...

I'm just saying at the moment that I believe God's Word was fulfilled, and that on the very day they ate, they died, regardless of how we understand that death, I believe it happened.

This is from another thread . . .

It's entirely possible that the time would have come when God would have permitted man to eat of the tree. Again, just my speculation, but here it is . . .

Why hadn't man eaten yet from the Tree of Life? Why hadn't he eaten that first? It was permitted, and was the Tree of Life, one of the two special trees. My guess, why that would be, is that the Tree of Life had not yet produced fruit.

And I wonder, if perhaps they had not eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, that fruit would have then formed on the Tree of Life. And had they not eaten from the forbidden tree, this would have shown the stability of Innocent Righteousness, and they could have eaten from the Tree of Life, becoming immortal in Innocent Righteousness.

And it may be that then they could have received the knowledge of good and evil without it corrrupting them, I don't know.
Or it may be that tree would remain ever uneaten.

The thing is, though, I don't think Innocent Righteousness is a stable state. God is good in and of Himself, that is, He is intrinsically good. Man was created good, his goodness imparted to him by God. But man was not intrinsically good. And therefore what man had received man could lose. And lose it he did! Boy oh boy did he!!

Like I said, just some thoughts on these things . . .

To add another . . . the difference between we who are in Christ, and Adam before he fell, is that his spirit was alive and in fellowship with God being created good, and being innocent, and therefore having remained good, righteous. We, however, having been born with our spirit dead, are now spiritually alive and in fellowship with God because we've joined to Jesus' life, and share His righteousness and fellowship with the Father.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm just saying at the moment that I believe God's Word was fulfilled, and that on the very day they ate, they died, regardless of how we understand that death, I believe it happened.

This is from another thread . . .

It's entirely possible that the time would have come when God would have permitted man to eat of the tree. Again, just my speculation, but here it is . . .

Why hadn't man eaten yet from the Tree of Life? Why hadn't he eaten that first? It was permitted, and was the Tree of Life, one of the two special trees. My guess, why that would be, is that the Tree of Life had not yet produced fruit.

And I wonder, if perhaps they had not eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, that fruit would have then formed on the Tree of Life. And had they not eaten from the forbidden tree, this would have shown the stability of Innocent Righteousness, and they could have eaten from the Tree of Life, becoming immortal in Innocent Righteousness.

And it may be that then they could have received the knowledge of good and evil without it corrrupting them, I don't know.
Or it may be that tree would remain ever uneaten.

The thing is, though, I don't think Innocent Righteousness is a stable state. God is good in and of Himself, that is, He is intrinsically good. Man was created good, his goodness imparted to him by God. But man was not intrinsically good. And therefore what man had received man could lose. And lose it he did! Boy oh boy did he!!

Like I said, just some thoughts on these things . . .

To add another . . . the difference between we who are in Christ, and Adam before he fell, is that his spirit was alive and in fellowship with God being created good, and being innocent, and therefore having remained good, righteous. We, however, having been born with our spirit dead, are now spiritually alive and in fellowship with God because we've joined to Jesus' life, and share His righteousness and fellowship with the Father.

Much love!

Thank you for your insight @marks ...very interesting read.....I’m going to get stuck into Genesis....God Bless....

 

[Behold]

From my studies, I've come to see death as referring to separation.

Physical death, the soul separated from the body.
Spiritual death, the soul separated from God.

Man is "body, soul, and Spirit"

He is "tri-part", exactly as God is Triune. or 3 in One.

God said.. "let US make man in OUR image", and this is 3, including the Holy Spirit.

So, a 3 in One Godhead, created a Tri-part Adam, who is "body, soul, Spirit".

What is that?

It means, you are a Spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body.

What is the soul? The soul is the "mind, will, and emotions".

What is the Spirit" ? The Sprit is the real you, that has to be born again.
The Spirit is what goes to HELL if its not born again.

In the Garden of Eden, .....Adam was Spiritually separated from God.. He "ate the apple" and lost "Spiritual union" and the Bible defines this as "death".
Its not death, as in, ended or ceased to exist....... Its death in the since of being separated from God's Spirit, which is LIFE.

This is 1st Spiritual Death... and the 2nd Death, is to go to Hell, and exist in spiritual separation from God, forever.

Jesus, who is the 2nd Adam, came to offer Himself as the Blood Atonement,, and this allows us to be BORN AGAIN.. which is to return to the eternal Spiritual Union with GOD.... that 1st Adam lost.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for your opinion @amigo de christo ..

Their are things we may not fully understand . BUT What i say next I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND .
And its WHY I shall continue to POINT TO THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE ,the ONLY ONE WHO GIVETH ETERNAL LIFE .
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST , learn him well for many decievers who preach another jesus have come within christendom
to lead the people as one astray FROM JESUS CHRIST and the dire need to even teach one must BELIEVE ON HIM .
They know how to decieve as does their father the devil . THEY will use the word love and recreate
another image of GOD and of CHRIST through their own version of what they teach as love .
IT has made the ROAD TO GOD VERY BROAD . IT WILL accept sins and other religoins as vaild . BUT IT BE A LIE
and it cometh of the father of lies , the prince of darkness , satan , the ol dragon , the serpent .
RITA its taking captive whole churches now and its moving in faster and faster under the words love and tolerance
and unity and we are one . ITS an all inclusive love rainbow but it cometh not OF GOD nor leadeth to GOD .
It cometh of that which is of anti christ and has led the religoins and more and more christendom and the world
to UNIFY more and more under what IT calls love . Beware it and all who do speak it .
From our lips shall proceed only THIS TRUTH , ONLY THIS HOPE , JESUS CHRIST , cause there is no other truth
no other hope , no other name THAT CAN SAVE . all else is winds of dark love that cannot save and its all in vain .

 

[MatthewG]

Thanks for that above and beyond attention, response. Now I know. But I am particular, so the discussion of the TRINITY pertains to 'what' exactly? Are we just talking about GOD....or am I not allowed to discuss man being triparte and not biparte? I ask and I support that question with a verse.

1TH 5:23 and the God of the peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your whole spirit, and soul, and body, be preserved unblameably in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ;

I break triparte down as;
spirit = WHAT you are (in the image of God)
soul = WHO you are (the motivating lifeforce of )
flesh = WHERE you live ("this earthly tent I live in; Paul")

Someone complemented you a few days ago on your signature line, which I always agreed with...BUT. And I couldn't figure out where that BUT came from. But after reading that text I feel like His word came to me, but I thought better to just not start another non theological conversation;

Believe what you will, but know this, his TRUTH will outlast your beliefs !​

BUT His word to me was; This is true UNLESS your beliefs are my truth. Oh, that was good Lord. But I still like your signature.

Hello Hillsage,

From my lessons and gleanings from the bible over the years, has gotten me to consider that the soul, is the image of God (it is the mind/will/emotions which all people have.) You can call it spirit if you would like to that doesn't bother me, however to me it is the soul which is the image of God and thus, all of us have a mind, all of us have our own individual will, and all of have some kind of handle or nonhandle on the emotions that one may go through in life.

The Spirit of God, which was there with God, and God's spoken word, is a spirit which is a helper according to Jesus, and also known as a comforter, like a compassionate, loving person who desires to comfort, a lot of Mothers are known for desiring to comfort their children when they are in pain, or are going through a rough sickness, and overall care. Yeshua told his chosen apostles when they received the spirit they would do great and wonderful things, in his name. Many people are out there today, doing the same thing, helping other people out by the Spirit of God within them, which Yeshua was raised back from the dead, by God's Spirit, and he was resurrected on the third day. In that those who are looking faithfully to God, can be comforted by the God of all comfort, and to find compassion, and mercy while turning to Yahava, and letting him know what is going on... mad, pissed, angry, distraught, uncaring, unloving, greedy, tell your Father what is going on with one or not... always a choice there.

Adam and Eve, in my opinion, had spiritual life, while they were there with God in the Garden. Remember when it was written 1000 years is like 1 day with the Lord, and 1 day with Lord is like a thousand years. Think abou their life for a minute and a day, and see what you would have done with such freedom and such unique place which was set by several rivers, I believe that this place existed on earth at one point in time. Mankinds first couple to commune with Yahava, the Lord God of Israel -> which would come shortly after these few years being with Yahava, and he would teach them how to sacrfice because later on you see Abel and Cain going to give sacrifice to Yahava, because mom and dad seen God do it, therefore you do it for him.

That day when the sneaky old orangutang watching and observing these two human beings, the Spirit of Satan, entered into the Animal and the orrangutang talked to the Woman, beguiling here the absurdity of God's authority, just do what you want to attitude. Lead the Woman - Life - Eve, to go and make her own decision looking into the fruit, she seen it was good for wisdom, and therefore she reached out from with-in her soul through her body, and grabbed the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Then went forward and gave to Adam, and Adam was look ... well hunny with a woman like you, ill do anything for you, (only to later blame God for the woman that he gave him!) Oh the absurdity. The Top Drama, of the first few chapters of the bible. And Sentence was given, and that day, when they left the Garden, they were spiritually cut off from that access with God... which now today people enter into because of Yeshua having restored what Adam lost.

Praise be!

 

[Ritajanice]

Their are things we may not fully understand

Very true Brother...I’m giving this one over to God....thank you for your input, very much appreciated...have a great day...and keep Praising the Lord!!!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Their are things we may not fully understand . BUT What i say next I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND .
And its WHY I shall continue to POINT TO THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE ,the ONLY ONE WHO GIVETH ETERNAL LIFE .
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST , learn him well for many decievers who preach another jesus have come within christendom
to lead the people as one astray FROM JESUS CHRIST and the dire need to even teach one must BELIEVE ON HIM .
They know how to decieve as does their father the devil . THEY will use the word love and recreate
another image of GOD and of CHRIST through their own version of what they teach as love .
IT has made the ROAD TO GOD VERY BROAD . IT WILL accept sins and other religoins as vaild . BUT IT BE A LIE
and it cometh of the father of lies , the prince of darkness , satan , the ol dragon , the serpent .
RITA its taking captive whole churches now and its moving in faster and faster under the words love and tolerance
and unity and we are one . ITS an all inclusive love rainbow but it cometh not OF GOD nor leadeth to GOD .
It cometh of that which is of anti christ and has led the religoins and more and more christendom and the world
to UNIFY more and more under what IT calls love . Beware it and all who do speak it .
From our lips shall proceed only THIS TRUTH , ONLY THIS HOPE , JESUS CHRIST , cause there is no other truth
no other hope , no other name THAT CAN SAVE . all else is winds of dark love that cannot save and its all in vain .

You are correct, friend.
The devil and his demons believe God and his word and can also quote it.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Here again is their form of deception.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for SATAN HIMSELF TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works.

Churches, affiliations, denominations and organizations are susceptible to deception and it is becoming more wide-spread in all of Christendom !

 

[Ritajanice]

Thanks for all of your opinions and interpretation of what God said to Adam and Eve.

What God said to Adam and Eve...is open to opinion and interpretation and that’s all it is.

Very interesting reading....

Interpretation and opinion differ greatly on this subject regarding Adam and Eve...not just on this page...all over the Internet....I guess it will continue to do so.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Hello Hillsage,

From my lessons and gleanings from the bible over the years, has gotten me to consider that the soul, is the image of God (it is the mind/will/emotions which all people have.) You can call it spirit if you would like to that doesn't bother me, however to me it is the soul which is the image of God and thus, all of us have a mind, all of us have our own individual will, and all of have some kind of handle or nonhandle on the emotions that one may go through in life.

The Spirit of God, which was there with God, and God's spoken word, is a spirit which is a helper according to Jesus, and also known as a comforter, like a compassionate, loving person who desires to comfort, a lot of Mothers are known for desiring to comfort their children when they are in pain, or are going through a rough sickness, and overall care. Yeshua told his chosen apostles when they received the spirit they would do great and wonderful things, in his name. Many people are out there today, doing the same thing, helping other people out by the Spirit of God within them, which Yeshua was raised back from the dead, by God's Spirit, and he was resurrected on the third day. In that those who are looking faithfully to God, can be comforted by the God of all comfort, and to find compassion, and mercy while turning to Yahava, and letting him know what is going on... mad, pissed, angry, distraught, uncaring, unloving, greedy, tell your Father what is going on with one or not... always a choice there.

Adam and Eve, in my opinion, had spiritual life, while they were there with God in the Garden. Remember when it was written 1000 years is like 1 day with the Lord, and 1 day with Lord is like a thousand years. Think abou their life for a minute and a day, and see what you would have done with such freedom and such unique place which was set by several rivers, I believe that this place existed on earth at one point in time. Mankinds first couple to commune with Yahava, the Lord God of Israel -> which would come shortly after these few years being with Yahava, and he would teach them how to sacrfice because later on you see Abel and Cain going to give sacrifice to Yahava, because mom and dad seen God do it, therefore you do it for him.

That day when the sneaky old orangutang watching and observing these two human beings, the Spirit of Satan, entered into the Animal and the orrangutang talked to the Woman, beguiling here the absurdity of God's authority, just do what you want to attitude. Lead the Woman - Life - Eve, to go and make her own decision looking into the fruit, she seen it was good for wisdom, and therefore she reached out from with-in her soul through her body, and grabbed the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Then went forward and gave to Adam, and Adam was look ... well hunny with a woman like you, ill do anything for you, (only to later blame God for the woman that he gave him!) Oh the absurdity. The Top Drama, of the first few chapters of the bible. And Sentence was given, and that day, when they left the Garden, they were spiritually cut off from that access with God... which now today people enter into because of Yeshua having restored what Adam lost.

Praise be!

It was a serpent, not a
primate ! Genesis 3

 

[Behold]

if his (The Devil's) ministers also be transformed as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS;

What does a minister of the Devil teach?

Well, they Teach Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, Paganism, and other "ism's".
They teach RELIGION.
They teach that there are "many paths to God".

What does a false christian, (Devil's ministers) teach?

They teach the Gospel of water and works.
They teach the Gospel of law and commandments
They teach the Gospel of enduring
They teach the Gospel of holding onto faith
They teach the Gospel of "doing righteousness is to be righteous".

Paul says they "teach a FORM of Godliness, but deny the power of real Godliness".


And what is that Power? Its the Cross and the Blood Atonement that is "the preaching of the Cross".

Now here is the truly harmful part.
It can be that a Christian has become one of those..
Jesus refers to those here.. Luke 11:35

How do you find one?
Very simple.

Ask them if they believe that Jesus Keeps them saved.

And if they say.. "well, He does as long as i confess, and live right, and keep commandments, and do my SELF EFFORT LIST, and make sure i trust in WATER Baptism".

That's how you spot them.. As they DO NOT actually Believe that Jesus Keeps them saved.

They are "FALLEN... From... GRACE". "In the Flesh" and "Bewitched".......Paul teaches.