Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[Eternally Grateful]

Which can be interpreted as he would die physically...

physical death is a result of sin. it is not the punishment of sin.

the wage of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life.

death is the opposite of life..

 

[Ritajanice]

why are you being this way? Is it because you said something to another member and someone said you were incorrect? Is it pride?

Can you please stop getting personal...

Focus on God’s word please?

This is a discussion board..not everyone agrees ....

 

[Ritajanice]

thats not the death spoken of here.

That is why we must be born again. because we are dead in tresspasses and sins

Born of the spirit. spiritual birth, or spiritual life, as compared to spiritual death

That’s your opinion.

 

[MatthewG]

@Ritajanice

Genesis 3​

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King James Version​

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3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




My opinion not biblical......they started dying in physical form as soon as they ate the fruit.....my opinion is as valid as any other.....

Genesis 3:22​

ESVThen the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
NIVAnd the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'

They did start dying. Their connection from life was cut off - that connection with God who is spirit. Spiritual connection? Jesus said, documented in John's gospel, John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profits nothing; the words that i speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." There is definitely something here in my opinion to consider, such as God as a spirit.

Yeshua mentions, in John 4:24 God is spirit and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. God communed with Adam and Eve, I believe in the Gospel and they were free to also communicate with him. There are many questions that can come along with this... like why did not Adam just go to God, rather than eating the apple, or why didn't Adam warn his wife about the observer lurker around if he got to meet him first, (the devil - serpent.) Why did Eve desire the fruit, and partake by her own choice to do so, then go give such to Adam, why did she not go to God about what was going on during these transactions is something to be noticed in my opinion.

Even though they became spiritual / departed / away from this Garden of Eden which was near Pishon, Havilah, the river Ghion, and Cush, and another river called the Tigris, that flows east of Assyria, and the fourth river, Euphrates. What is interesting to me, is I do believe that Adam and Eve were the first people in spiritual connection with Yahava, they had access to him day or night, they had the most cleanest of form of earth in that land which was the Garden of Eden created and set up by God. God told them "The day you eat you shall surely die", from Genesis 2:16-17. Hundreds of years later, before the death of Adam or Eden, doesn't bear what the conclusion is of what God means by "the day you eat you shall surely die." One can relate it to real death if they choose too, however considering death is part of life, it seems there might be more to it than just death itself.

This on going availablity to connected and commune with Yahava, while on earth was cut off, and that in terms of death meant separation from him, because of what reason? God gave commandment, and they disobeyed, and because they disobeyed they will not longer partake in this Garden which was freely given to them by their creator. That day they ate, and Yahava was taking them out I could image the frustation on Adams face having everything taken away from him, Eve later on though, continued to praise God when she bore a son, however they no longer had that direction communication to freely talk to Yahava, and some of the hebrews back in the day would even suggest that Yahava would come by and talk to them through the wind, kind of like how he would be seen as fire, and a cloud, etc.


PS: I tend to see born-again faithful followers of the Lord Yeshua, are now awoken from the once - spiritual deadness, into newness of life - The death, burial, and resurrection attest to this in my opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

physical death is a result of sin. it is not the punishment of sin.

the wage of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life.

death is the opposite of life..

Again, your opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice




They did start dying. Their connection from life was cut off - that connection with God who is spirit. Spiritual connection?

Opinion

Jesus said, documented in John's gospel, John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profits nothing; the words that i speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." There is definitely something here in my opinion to consider, such as God as a spirit.

Of course God is Spirit..who said he isn’t?

Yeshua mentions, in John 4:24 God is spirit and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. God communed with Adam and Eve, I believe in the Gospel and they were free to also communicate with him. There are many questions that can come along with this... like why did not Adam just go to God, rather than eating the apple, or why didn't Adam warn his wife about the observer lurker around if he got to meet him first, (the devil - serpent.) Why did Eve desire the fruit, and partake by her own choice to do so, then go give such to Adam, why did she not go to God about what was going on during these transactions is something to be noticed in my opinion.

Even though they became spiritual / departed / away from this Garden of Eden which was near Pishon, Havilah, the river Ghion, and Cush, and another river called the Tigris, that flows east of Assyria, and the fourth river, Euphrates. What is interesting to me, is I do believe that Adam and Eve were the first people in spiritual connection with Yahava, they had access to him day or night, they had the most cleanest of form of earth in that land which was the Garden of Eden created and set up by God. God told them "The day you eat you shall surely die", from Genesis 2:16-17. Hundreds of years later, before the death of Adam or Eden, doesn't bear what the conclusion is of what God means by "the day you eat you shall surely die." One can relate it to real death if they choose too, however considering death is part of life, it seems there might be more to it than just death itself.

This on going availablity to connected and commune with Yahava, while on earth was cut off, and that in terms of death meant separation from him, because of what reason? God gave commandment, and they disobeyed, and because they disobeyed they will not longer partake in this Garden which was freely given to them by their creator. That day they ate, and Yahava was taking them out I could image the frustation on Adams face having everything taken away from him, Eve later on though, continued to praise God when she bore a son, however they no longer had that direction communication to freely talk to Yahava, and some of the hebrews back in the day would even suggest that Yahava would come by and talk to them through the wind, kind of like how he would be seen as fire, and a cloud, etc.

That is your own interpretation of scripture.

 

[marks]

Show me where God said.

On that very day he ate, on that day he would die?

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

That is your own interpretation of scripture.

It's always going to be simply faith in God, and looking to him that will matter. You may be right in your own interpretation, and that is okay with me, and I love you for who you are and just wanted to share overall something to consider; I have a friend who still believes that Jesus is still coming, however I do not. We still conjoin and interact with one another despite the differences, otherwise I do not think Jesus would have even ate with sinners.

 

[Ritajanice]

physical death is a result of sin. it is not the punishment of sin.

Show me scripture where it says this please?

 

[marks]

Which can be interpreted as he would die physically...

Yes, I agree. Death is not here defined.

From my studies, I've come to see death as referring to separation.

Physical death, the soul separated from the body.
Spiritual death, the soul separated from God.

Much love!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Thanks for that above and beyond attention, response. Now I know. But I am particular, so the discussion of the TRINITY pertains to 'what' exactly? Are we just talking about GOD....or am I not allowed to discuss man being triparte and not biparte? I ask and I support that question with a verse.

1TH 5:23 and the God of the peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your whole spirit, and soul, and body, be preserved unblameably in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ;

I break triparte down as;
spirit = WHAT you are (in the image of God)
soul = WHO you are (the motivating lifeforce of )
flesh = WHERE you live ("this earthly tent I live in; Paul")

Someone complemented you a few days ago on your signature line, which I always agreed with...BUT. And I couldn't figure out where that BUT came from. But after reading that text I feel like His word came to me, but I thought better to just not start another non theological conversation;

Believe what you will, but know this, his TRUTH will outlast your beliefs !​

BUT His word to me was; This is true UNLESS your beliefs are my truth. Oh, that was good Lord. But I still like your signature.

This very distinguishing of the tripartite of man invariably leads to the discussing God's essences..

My " but" was simply a conjunction, nothing more nothing less than the combining of two thoughts...lol

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can you please stop getting personal...

Focus on God’s word please?

This is a discussion board..not everyone agrees ....

I am focusing on Gods word.

I am asking you a question as a friend..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s your opinion.

prove me wrong,

if physical death is the wage of sin. No one will go to hell. because whoever dies physically has paid for his own sin debt.

 

[Ritajanice]

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Much love!

Which can mean they started to die physically...can you please answer my questions?.thanks.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again, your opinion.

again, show me another view..

 

[Ritajanice]

I am focusing on Gods word.

I am asking you a question as a friend..

You are being rude and personal, because I don’t agree with you theology.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Show me scripture where it says this please?

show me where physical death is the atonement for sin.

You realise Jesus died spiritually on the cross BEFORE he gave up the goast do you not?

 

[marks]

Which can mean they started to die physically...can you please answer my questions?.thanks.

I don't see how it can mean that. I have to just go with the passage itself. "The day you eat you die." I believe it's true.

What was your question, I'm sorry?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are being rude and personal, because I don’t agree with you theology.

No,

I am trying to find out why you are so mad.. I do not see this from you

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, I agree. Death is not here defined.

From my studies, I've come to see death as referring to separation.

Physical death, the soul separated from the body.
Spiritual death, the soul separated from God.

Much love!

Ok @marks and thank you for your insight.

Ephesians 2​

Made Alive in Christ​

1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.