Looking realistically at ourselves.

[Bob Estey]

Exaggerations.

It seems that YOU do not like to follow the instructions of the holy spirit that we received through the anointed ones of the first century.

The Bible is not God.

 

[Bob Estey]

What does this response have to do with what you first stated about the bible (book) worship?

2 Cr 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord;
and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

I was responding to the following:

That's just strange to me. The book tells us to pray to God (not to itself) or to worship and sing to God
(not to itself). I have never in my life seen someone singing to "the book", or praying to "the book."

Have you been bumping into these sorts of people somewhere?

 

[Bob Estey]

Mmmm. If Paul was inspired by the same holy Spirit as the prophets and the Son of God, then yes, Paul and Jesus spoke/ wrote with the same authority.
When Jesus quoted David, or Moses, did those words suddenly have more authority than when they were first penned?
I would suggest that when we speak the word of God in faith and in His name, that word has the same authority as if God Himself were speaking it.

“7 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink. 9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. 10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? 11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also. 12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. ”
Numbers 20:7-12 KJV

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Read the story of Balaam and Balak. Whose authority was exercised when Balaam spoke to Israel?

We all, I would hope, are inspired by the Holy Spirit, but none of us is perfect.

 

[ElieG12]

The Bible is not God.

You may not be able to see God, yet you can certainly explore His written word, should you choose to do so.

It seems that many individuals here share this perspective. Have you paused to reflect that you might be erring in your assessment?

 

[Bob Estey]

You may not be able to see God, yet you can certainly explore His written word, should you choose to do so.

It seems that many individuals here share this perspective. Have you paused to reflect that you might be erring in your assessment?

Paul was not God. The Bible is not God. God and Jesus are often quoted in the Bible, and the Bible does not lie. I try to do all that God and Jesus instructed us to do.

 

[ElieG12]

Paul was not God. The Bible is not God. God and Jesus are often quoted in the Bible, and the Bible does not lie. I try to do all that God and Jesus instructed us to do.

This is basic knowledge all Christians have:

Rom. 15:4 For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.

You may need some basic instruction.

 

[ElieG12]

We all, I would hope, are inspired by the Holy Spirit, but none of us is perfect.

Mmmh, I don't think so. Nothing you write is inspired, nothing you say is. Same about myself.

You think you don't need the Scriptures. Interesting.

All Christians consider the Bible the word of God. Are you a Mormon, a Bahai, a Muslim? Not judging, just curious.

 

[Verily]

....

I was responding to the following:

That's just strange to me. The book tells us to pray to God (not to itself) or to worship and sing to God
(not to itself). I have never in my life seen someone singing to "the book", or praying to "the book."

Have you been bumping into these sorts of people somewhere?

And to that response to you about worshiping a book you said,

But people act as if Paul had just as much authority as Jesus.

Had you have answered in this way rather...

But people act as if the book had just as much authority as Jesus

Just would have made far more sense in this trolling of yours

You switched your argument from worshipping a book to adding Paul into the equation (who is not a book) and began contrasting him to Jesus.

 

[Jack]

In the first century, Christians who learned directly from Jesus had to teach the same things they received. Those who learned from them, in turn, had to teach based on those same early teachings. Those were the received truths that had to be preached before the end.

When those truths were no longer the same because people began to speculate and philosophize on their own, trying to become teachers themselves instead of reviewing what they had already received, the church became corrupted. Religious arguments, sects, divisions, lies disguised as truth, struggles for power, etc. arose.

Jesus Christ said that he who does not gather with Him, scatters (Luke 11:23).

Have you ever wondered if spreading your own speculations, interpreting the Bible in your own particular and unique way, is actually scattering?

Do you agree that the Bible is the written Word of God? Or are you attacking the Bible?

 

[Bob Estey]

This is basic knowledge all Christians have:

Rom. 15:4 For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.

You may need some basic instruction.

You cannot equate the Bible to God.

 

[Bob Estey]

Mmmh, I don't think so. Nothing you write is inspired, nothing you say is. Same about myself.

You think you don't need the Scriptures. Interesting.

All Christians consider the Bible the word of God. Are you a Mormon, a Bahai, a Muslim? Not judging, just curious.

I think you should be careful when you are judging other people.

 

[Bob Estey]

....


And to that response to you about worshiping a book you said,

But people act as if Paul had just as much authority as Jesus.

Had you have answered in this way rather...

But people act as if the book had just as much authority as Jesus

Just would have made far more sense in this trolling of yours

You switched your argument from worshipping a book to adding Paul into the equation (who is not a book) and began contrasting him to Jesus.

A lot of people equate the Bible to God. You can't do that.

 

[Verily]

A lot of people equate the Bible to God. You can't do that.

I have never seen anyone pray to "the book" or sing "to the book" as one might to the God of the book, who are these people you are speaking about?

Do you have a Youtube video on this particular cult of people?

 

[ElieG12]

A lot of people equate the Bible to God. You can't do that.

You can't be Christian without the Bible.

 

[Verily]

You can't be Christian without the Bible.

Exactly, Me and my words

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Same here

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

And the word he has spoken (which was written) is that which will judge him in the last day also

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Bob Estey]

I have never seen anyone pray to "the book" or sing "to the book" as one might to the God of the book, who are these people you are speaking about?

Do you have a Youtube video on this particular cult of people?

Many put the Bible at the same level as God. It is true that God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible, but I don't believe you can put the Bible at the same level as God.

 

[Bob Estey]

You can't be Christian without the Bible.

It is true that God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible, but I do not believe you can put the Bible at the same level as God.

 

[Hey You!]

I don't get into debates over whether the Bible is God or not; how ridiculous! It reminds me of a time when some were trying to Deify Jerusalem, because the NKJV had a Verse that called it God. I don't remember the Verse, but some knuckleheads were doing their thing; and thought the Godhead was a Quadinity. That's what you get with Scripture without Systematic Theology; anything goes...

As Sproul said, "What’s wrong with you people??"

 

[Nancy]

Of course it's scattering.
We're supposed to be of one mind as both Jesus and Paul stated.
Philippians 2:2
Galatians 3:28
1 Peter 3:8
1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

So here's the problem:
I believe I'm a mainline Christian.
I read odd beliefs on these forums.
But they think their right.
And I think I'm right.

So does it matter who's right?
Should we not be posting to each other and just let everyone believe what they will?

Here's the question Elie:

How can we know who has the truth?

Much agreed Fran,
I think it takes time to tests the fruit of others over a period of time. If consistent in their behavior long enough, then I'm apt to give them a chance. Other than that, not sure we even can know who has the Truth.

 

[Verily]

Many put the Bible at the same level as God. It is true that God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible, but I don't believe you can put the Bible at the same level as God.

You have evaded the question three times, for the book to have attained to the level of God, the book would have to be "prayed to" or "sung to" and you have failed to show what you cant even show us lol!

The closest thing to treating God's written words with contempt is below when the words of the LORD here are being written by a scribe at the mouth of Jeremiah the prophet and of those that heard what was written and what was done to the writing (and how it says they were not afraid in doing this)

Jerm 36:11 When Michaiah the son of Gemariah, the son of Shaphan, had heard out of the book all the words of the LORD,

Jerm 36:13 Then Michaiah declared unto them all the words that he had heard, when Baruch read the book in the ears of the people.

Jerm 36:15 And they said unto him, Sit down now, and read it in our ears.

So Baruch read it in their ears.

Jerm 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, Tell us now, How didst thou write all these words at his mouth?

Jerm 36:18 Then Baruch answered them, He pronounced all these words unto me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book.

Jehudi read it also in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.

Jerm 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.

Jerm 36:25 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.

Jerm 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.

God spake by the prophets, so after this

Jerm 36:27 Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,

Jerm 36:28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.

Jerm 36:32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

Jerm 37:2 But neither he, nor his servants, nor the people of the land, did hearken unto the words of the LORD, which he spake by the prophet Jeremiah.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

And speaking of Jesus Christ God says,

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

As Jesus confirms the same concerning the word he had spoken

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For God has spoken to us by His Son as God did by the former prophets

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.