list these events in sequence order

[quietthinker]

What are your thoughts on that regard?

It most definitely needs another look. The Gospel has been hijacked by popular theology and those who embrace it love it.....and so the deception is complete.
Clarity begins with asking the most fundamental of questions combined with the strong desire to be self honest calling out to God for enlightenment.

 

[ewq1938]

The Armageddon event begins with the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon. And concludes in Revelation 19:19-21.

The armies going to Arm is a pre-Arm event not the Arm event. Christ returns first, then the war at Arm can start and end found in Rev 19.

The only accurate way to list that would be this way:

1. the great tribulation
2. the Pre-Armageddon war army gathering
3. the Second Coming of Jesus
4. The Armageddon war
5. the 1000 year millennium
6. Satan's short period to once again deceive the nations

 

[ewq1938]

It's strange that God would release Satan from Hell so he can deceive and destroy again.

No more strange than allowing satan to rule the world and deceive nations/people before that. People go to prison, complete their legal sentence and are released and re-offend. This is like that.

 

[Douggg]

The armies going to Arm is a pre-Arm event not the Arm event. Christ returns first, then the war at Arm can start and end found in Rev 19.

The only accurate way to list that would be this way:

1. the great tribulation
2. the Pre-Armageddon war army gathering
3. the Second Coming of Jesus
4. The Armageddon war
5. the 1000 year millennium
6. Satan's short period to once again deceive the nations

ewq1938, Armageddon, Mount of Megiddo, is 80 miles north of Jerusalem. At its base is a broad plain. That is Armageddon the place of where the kings of the earth will gather their armies to prepare to make war on Jesus. Once assembled, they move a portion of their armies south to Jerusalem, to surround it, and takes half the city as hostage, in Zechariah 14.

Jesus's Second Coming is after the assembly at Armageddon. The assembly is not pre-Armageddon, i.e. not pre-going to Armageddon, but pre-movement to Jerusalem. The war is not at Armageddon, but at Jerusalem.

The assembly is the beginning of the Armageddon event. The conclusion of the Armageddon event is at Jesus's Second Coming, His return to Jerusalem to stand on the Mount of Olives. So put the beginning prior to the conclusion.

 

[ewq1938]

ewq1938, Armageddon, Mount of Megiddo, is 80 miles north of Jerusalem. At its base is a broad plain. That is Armageddon the place of where the kings of the earth will gather their armies to prepare to make war on Jesus. Once assembled, they move a portion of their armies south to Jerusalem, to surround it, and takes half the city as hostage, in Zechariah 14.

No, the armies that go to Armageddon will die there. No one leaves the area. They also would have no need to surround Jerusalem as the beast who is their leader ruled from Jerusalem for the previous 42 months. It belongs to the beast so no reason to surround it.

Jesus's Second Coming is after the assembly at Armageddon. The assembly is not pre-Armageddon, i.e. not pre-going to Armageddon, but pre-movement to Jerusalem. The war is not at Armageddon, but at Jerusalem.

No, the war of Rev 19 is at Armageddon not Jerusalem which is 66 miles away.

 

[Douggg]

No, the armies that go to Armageddon will die there. No one leaves the area. They also would have no need to surround Jerusalem as the beast who is their leader ruled from Jerusalem for the previous 42 months. It belongs to the beast so no reason to surround it.

No, part of them will move south to surround Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

No, the war of Rev 19 is at Armageddon not Jerusalem which is 66 miles away.

Jesus destroys those armies that surround Jerusalem. Jesus returns to Jerusalem, not 66 miles to the north.

They armies are of such size they sprawl the length of Israel. The ones surrounding Jerusalem will be destroyed by Jesus.

The rest are destroyed by an angel designated for that purpose.

Jesus in Revelation 14:14 is given a sharp sickle.

An angel in Revelation 14:17 is also given a sharp sickle. That angel is the one who destroys the armies at Armageddon.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

"without the city" is talking about areas not in the vicinity of Jerusalem. 1600 furlongs is 200 miles - i.e. the length of Israel north to south.

 

[ewq1938]

No, part of them will move south to surround Jerusalem.

Not in Rev 19. I already explained the beast owns Jerusalem and had for years. He has no need to surround it plus the two beasts and their armies will be destroyed at Arm according to Rev 19 so what you propose is both unscriptural and unnecessary.

Jesus destroys those armies that surround Jerusalem.

The only surrounding of Jerusalem in Rev is after the Millennium in Rev 20 and Jesus doesn't do any of the killing.

 

[Douggg]

Not in Rev 19. I already explained the beast owns Jerusalem and had for years. He has no need to surround it plus the two beasts and their armies will be destroyed at Arm according to Rev 19 so what you propose is both unscriptural and unnecessary.

Unnecessary? Just read the text of Zechariah 14. Revelation does not say that Jesus returns to Armageddon, 80 miles north of Jerusalem. Jesus returns to stand on the Mt. Olives, directly across from the temple mount where the beast-king, the false prophet, and Satan will be.

The only surrounding of Jerusalem in Rev is after the Millennium in Rev 20 and Jesus doesn't do any of the killing.

The surrounding of Jerusalem at Jesus's Second Coming is in Zechariah 14.

 

[Gottservant]

Please list in sequence order these events. Beginning with the first to the last. I have placed them in order as I believe correct.

EDIT:
the great tribulation
the Second Coming of Jesus
the 1000 year millennium
Satan's short period to once again deceive the nations
the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event/the Armageddon event

Armageddon does not come and go, around the great tribulation.

It will seem like war is on every side, but there will not be war (there will be oppression).

 

[Keraz]

No, part of them will move south to surround Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:1-2

You make the mistake of confusing the conquest of the Lords peoples in the holy Land, by the leader of the One World Govt That will happen at the mid point of the final 7 years before Jesus Returns. The fulfilment of Daniel 9:27....with one half spent......

As eqw1938 rightly says; the anti-Christ 'beast' will have control of Jerusalem for all of the last 42 months. Revelation 13:5-8
The plains of Harmageddon are the most suitable place for all the worlds armies to assemble. Close to the sea coast and is a convergence of the ancient trade routes.

Armageddon does not come and go, around the great tribulation.

Armageddon will be the fulfilment of the GT, the 6th and 7th Bowls. Revelation 16:12-21

 

[ewq1938]

Unnecessary? Just read the text of Zechariah 14.

That is unrelated to what Rev 19 describes.

Revelation does not say that Jesus returns to Armageddon, 80 miles north of Jerusalem.

Rev 19 shows Jesus in the air at Armageddon and killing the army.

Jesus returns to stand on the Mt. Olives, directly across from the temple mount where the beast-king, the false prophet, and Satan will be.

The beast and FP are defeated at Armageddon and cast into the LOF so no, they aren't at the temple mount. Jesus is described as standing on Mt Zion, not Mt Olives, in Rev 14.

The surrounding of Jerusalem at Jesus's Second Coming is in Zechariah 14.

That is not the second coming nor is Jerusalem surrounded until after the Mill in Rev 20. Jerusalem is occupied without violence or attack during the trib by the antichrist/beast. He at no time has to or will surround it in preface to an attack.

 

[Douggg]

That is not the second coming nor is Jerusalem surrounded until after the Mill in Rev 20. Jerusalem is occupied without violence or attack during the trib by the antichrist/beast. He at no time has to or will surround it in preface to an attack.

In Revelation 20, them who come up against Israel will be destroyed by fire coming down from heaven by God.

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Differently, in Zechariah 14 and Revelation 19, at Jesus Second Coming, the armies of the beast and the kings of earth, are destroyed by the words of Jesus speaking their destruction, which their flesh melts on the bones and eye recede in their sockets.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The beast and FP are defeated at Armageddon and cast into the LOF so no, they aren't at the temple mount. Jesus is described as standing on Mt Zion, not Mt Olives, in Rev 14.

Jesus is standing on Mt. Zion, the temple mount, with the 144,000 after his return.... and the temple mount cleansed of those abominations that made it desolate, namely, the statue image of the beast-king, Satan, the beast-king, and the false prophet.

Rev 19 shows Jesus in the air at Armageddon and killing the army.

No, it does not. Revelation 19:20 takes place in Jerusalem, where the false prophet, the beast-king, and Satan will be on the temple mount.

In Daniel 11:45 the beast king will make his final stand between the seas in the glorious holy mountain. And nobody is going to be able to help him from his fate.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

[Douggg]

You make the mistake of confusing the conquest of the Lords peoples in the holy Land, by the leader of the One World Govt That will happen at the mid point of the final 7 years before Jesus Returns. The fulfilment of Daniel 9:27....with one half spent......

Zechariah 14 takes place at the end of the 7 years, when Jesus returns to stand on the Mt. Olives splitting it in half in Zechariah 14:4.

 

[Douggg]

Armageddon does not come and go, around the great tribulation.

It will seem like war is on every side, but there will not be war (there will be oppression).

Armageddon (har-megiddo) in Revelation 16:12-16 is a gathering location - i.e. a staging location about 80 miles north of Jerusalem.

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

The he in that verse 16 is the sixth angel - due to his action of pouring out the sixth vial of God's wrath.

When his vial is poured out in verse 12, the Euphrates will be dried up making it easier for the kings of the east to proceed. In a prelude to Armageddon, the armies of the world converge to fight against the beast-king headquartered in Jerusalem, the battles of Daniel 11:40-44. As the fighting is going on, without warning like a thief in the night, the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven, Jesus sickle in hand.

That causes the fighting to stop, as fear grips the wicked of the world, knowing that their demise is at hand - the wrath of the Lamb has come in Revelation 6:12-17.

It then takes the convincing of the beast-king, the false prophet, and Satan in Revelation 16:13-14 that the kings of the earth should make war on Jesus to keep Him from executing judgment on them.

Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [the Revelation 6:12-17 event]

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven [Revelation 6:16-17]: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Between when the sign of the Son of man first appears in heaven - til the day Jesus descends to earth to the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14:4 - is 45 days.

45 days based on Daniel 12:11-12.

1290 days from the day the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount til the sign of the Son of the Man in heaven first appears.

And 1335 days from the day the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount til Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30b.

So, 1335 days - 1290 days = 45 days.

During that 45 days, the kings of the earth will assemble their armies at Armageddon. And also surround Jerusalem with their armies to take half of the city as hostages, Zechariah 14:2. All as part of their strategy to keep Jesus from executing judgement on them.

At the end of the 45 days, when Jesus does descend to earth, to the Mt of Olives, this happens....

 

[Keraz]

Zechariah 14 takes place at the end of the 7 years, when Jesus returns to stand on the Mt. Olives splitting it in half in Zechariah 14:4.

Not putting the relevant verse numbers, is confusion. As usual.

Zechariah 14 Prophesies a sequence of things to happen;
Zech 14:1-2 is the conquest of the people then living in all of the holy Land. The leader of the OWG breaks the 7 year peace treaty at the mid point. Half of the people will leave and half must remain, exactly as Revelation 12:14 and 17 describe.

Zech 14:3-11 describes the Return and the conditions in the Millennium.

Zech 14:12-15 describes the Battle of Armageddon, the destruction of the armies by plague; Revelation 19:17-21
NOT by fire, as the Lord will use at the Psalms 83, Sixth Seal; the next Prophesied event, when Iran tries to nuke Israel.

Zech 14:16-21 again describes how it will be in the Millennium.

 

[Douggg]

Zechariah 14 Prophesies a sequence of things to happen;
Zech 14:1-2 is the conquest of the people then living in all of the holy Land. The leader of the OWG breaks the 7 year peace treaty at the mid point.

Whoa, whoa ! Where is it saying anything about the leader of a OWG breaking a 7year peace treaty at the mid-point of the 7years - in Zechariah 14:1-2 ?

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Half of the people will leave and half must remain, exactly as Revelation 12:14 and 17 describe.

Revelation 12:14 has nothing to do with anyone going into captivity. Revelation 12:14 is about escape.

 

[Keraz]

Whoa, whoa ! Where is it saying anything about the leader of a OWG breaking a 7year peace treaty at the mid-point of the 7years - in Zechariah 14:1-2 ?

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

I told you where: Daniel 9:27 plainly says after the first half of that 7 year treaty, he will break it and stop the sacrifices....
'he' has to be the leader of the ungodly peoples, of the One World Govt.

Revelation 12:14 has nothing to do with anyone going into captivity. Revelation 12:14 is about escape.

The correct translation of Zech 14:2 is: half of the people shall go into exile......
That matches Rev 12:14...the faithful Christians will be kept in a safe place on earth for the 3 1/2 year duration of the Great Trib.
The other half of the people , the ones who violated the Covenant with God, Daniel 11:32, matches Revelation 12:17.

Time for you and everyone to get some real understanding of what God has planned for our future. Have the moral fortitude to bin all your 'charts', and see how God will send fire to clear and cleanse all of the holy Land, commencing all the end times Prophesies.

 

[Douggg]

I told you where: Daniel 9:27 plainly says after the first half of that 7 year treaty, he will break it and stop the sacrifices....
'he' has to be the leader of the ungodly peoples, of the One World Govt.

I understand that is your interpretation of Daniel 9:27.

But what I am pointing out, even with your interpretation of Daniel 9:27, there is nothing Zechariah 14 about a mid-point of a 7year period. Or the stopping of sacrifices.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

From verse 2, the actions of the housed rifled, the women ravished, indicate over a very short period of time.

The correct translation of Zech 14:2 is: half of the people shall go into exile......
That matches Rev 12:14...the faithful Christians will be kept in a safe place on earth for the 3 1/2 year duration of the Great Trib.
The other half of the people , the ones who violated the Covenant with God, Daniel 11:32, matches Revelation 12:17.

Again, there is no mention of 7 years nor half of 7 years in Zechariah 14:2

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

[Keraz]

But what I am pointing out, even with your interpretation of Daniel 9:27, there is nothing Zechariah 14 about a mid-point of a 7year period. Or the stopping of sacrifices.

There doesn't need to be. In all of Bible Prophecy, it is necessary to put together all of the relevant scriptures to make the whole picture.

What Zech 14:1-2 Prophesies is a horrible conquest of the peoples living in Jerusalem. it cannot be what will happen when Jesus Returns, as Armageddon takes place far away from Jerusalem and there is no raping and pillage then.

Zechariah 14:1-2 is clearly what will happen when the 'beast' takes world control for 42 months. Revelation 13:5-8
Just when do you think this nasty conquest will occur?

 

[ewq1938]

No, it does not. Revelation 19:20 takes place in Jerusalem, where the false prophet, the beast-king, and Satan will be on the temple mount.

Nope, that part of Rev 19 is at Armageddon. That is where the beast and FP die.