Limited atonement !

[Ritajanice]

You should not be insecure of your salvation that you did nothing to get, because it is a gift that is irrevocable

My security is in Gods Living testimony, not in the testimony of a human....I have never once doubted my salvation....my spirit knows 100% that it’s Born Again...Praise God.

It’s Gods Living testimony who births our spirit into his....chosen and predestined to become a child of God.

If we don’t know who Gods Living Witness is...then how can we know God from within our spirit?

God is a Living Spirit...that’s how we communicate with him, from within our spirit...as it’s Born Again.

 

[brightfame52]

The onus is on YOU to prove the false 16th century invention of Limited Atonement.
My job was to DISprove it - which I have done.

You have repatedly failed to supp[ort it Scripturally . . .

Prove it

 

[Behold]

Where they saved or ever saved when Jesus said He never knew them ? Yes or no

Never saved.
They were only "disciples"/

See, until Jesus's Cross has been raised, the "church" had not begun......as it takes a SAVIOR dying on THE Cross to birth the Church of God.
So, when Jesus is talking to those he "never knew".......He is showing that they are not saved........as He has not died Yet.

For Jesus to "KNOW YOU".. He has to live inside you.......as "Christ IN YOU, the Hope of Glory" and until He died, there was no Salvation offered yet, as there was no SIN BEARER yet slain for the sin of the world yet.

 

[Behold]

Prove it

He did.

Here you go.

""Calvinism, emerged in the 16th century during the Protestant Reformation. It was primarily developed and systematized by John Calvin, a French theologian, and later expanded upon by his followers,"" (who evolved it into Hyper-Calvinism.)

 

[shepherdsword]

I did..you answered a few..not all.

Spirit gives birth to spirit?....

what do you want to know? it sounds like you are making a statement but you put a question mark at the end

Not at all... you just don’t like me giving my Living testimony....Gods Living testimony birthed my spirit into His...never ever to be denied...I have a new heart and spirit within..plus we are partakers Of the divine nature?

You did not answer my question..i asked you how you know God/ Jesus?

Or did I miss it?

I posted this is answer to this question:
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[Ritajanice]

what do you want to know? it sounds like you are making a statement but you put a question mark at the end

How do we know that Spirit gives birth to spirit?

I posted this is answer to this question:
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

You posted scripture..what does it mean..how do you know that it’s true, the scripture that you posted?

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Never saved.

Yet they did miracles, cast out devilsin Jesus name etc Matt 7 22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[brightfame52]

He did.

Here you go.

""Calvinism, emerged in the 16th century during the Protestant Reformation. It was primarily developed and systematized by John Calvin, a French theologian, and later expanded upon by his followers,"" (who evolved it into Hyper-Calvinism.)

I dont know anything about that,doesnt prove anything to me.

 

[shepherdsword]

How do we know that Spirit gives birth to spirit?

You posted scripture..what does it mean..how do you know that it’s true, the scripture that you posted?

I believe in the truth of the scripture because I have experienced it. His Spirit bears witness to my spirit. There is also fruit of the new creation, love where none was before and a hunger to fellowship with God. How about you?

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe in the truth of the scripture because I have experienced it. His Spirit bears witness to my spirit. There is also fruit of the new creation, love where none was before and a hunger to fellowship with God. How about you?

I believe in the Living truth of Gods Living testimony his Living Holy Spirit, he is the one who gave birth to my spirit = Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

Christs Death is limited to them that are the called !

Heb 9:12-15

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

It was Gods purpose in Christs Death that certain people might receive Eternal Life, or Eternal Inheritance, not everyone, but " they which are called" !

Now the called in Vs 15 are a specific, definite people since the writer uses the definite article for the called ! All without exception are not the called.

There are a specific group of people in this world that the called, Rom 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

See " them that are the called here" must be distinguished from all others

1 Cor 1:23-24

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

See how the called here are distinguished, set apart from the others, whether they be jews of gentiles, the called are set apart people from the rest of the world. Paul writes to the same Corinthians earlier 1 Cor 1:1-2
Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

The called have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, that is set apart from the rest of the world, and so it is for all for whom Christ died. Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body/death of Jesus Christ/ once for all. 13

 

[brightfame52]

New Covenant Blood of Christ wasnt shed for all mankind, but only for a Many Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

So the Many shall receive the result for which the Covenant blood was shed for them for, the remission or forgivenss of sins,

So Jesus gives all the New Covenant recipients repentance and forgivenss/remission of sins, which the shedding of His Blood demands for them Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

They are children of the Covenant Acts 3:25

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

 

[brightfame52]

Christs atonement is lmited because its efficacious effects, results are limited, for its effects are redemption from all iniquity as seen here Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Some may say, but this pertains to believers, which I respond, of course it pertains to believers, since they become believers by being redeemed from all iniquity, as unbelief is an iniquity they have been redeemed from.

Christs atonement is lmited because its efficacious effects, results are limited, for its effects are deliverance from this present evil world Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

The word deliver exaireó means to :

To take out, to deliver, to rescue
Meaning: I take out, remove; sometimes (mid): I choose, sometimes: I rescue.

Word Origin: From the Greek preposition "ἐκ" (ek, meaning "out of") and the verb "αἱρέω" (haireō, meaning "to take" or "to choose").

out of this present evil age,

The Greek word "αἰών" (aión) primarily denotes an age or a long period of time. It can refer to the present age, the age to come, or eternity. In the New Testament, it is often used to describe the temporal world in contrast to the eternal kingdom of God. It can also imply the spiritual or moral state of the world during a particular age. The term is frequently used to express the concept of eternity, especially when describing God's eternal nature or the eternal life promised to believers.

This denotes a conversion expreince will be effected unto them He gave Himself for. Now thats limited !

 

[Behold]

I dont know anything about that,doesnt prove anything to me.

Its Called "Calvinism" because He created it.
However He didnt name it after himself.
Others did.

 

[Behold]

New Covenant Blood of Christ wasnt shed for all mankind, but only for a Many Matt 26:28

The Blood of Jesius is shed for the sin of the world, and "all have sinned".

"Jesus came to save Sinners" and that is everyone.

The verse that says "many".. is not limiting Jesus's sacrifice.......its merely showing us that not all will receive God's forgiveness, but "many" will.

Free will decides all choices.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Prove it

That's what I thought you' say. I've already DISproved your false doctrine.
You've LOST this debate . . .