Limited atonement is a false gospel

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Ritajanice

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The Word of God IS God!
John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.

The Bible is NOT the Living Spirit Of God..
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Genesis 1:2
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Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

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The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

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The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Berean Standard Bible
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
 

Ritajanice

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Nothing you have said lines up with scripture. You get something in your head and run with it, with all your made up definitions and phrases ....none of which are scriptural.
Yes it does..instead of accusations...discuss where my posts are none scriptural.

Try and use exegesis for a change as anyone can post scripture...?
Anyone can post scripture..doesn’t mean that they are Born Again?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?...biblical ...so how would we know that Spirit has given birth to our spirit?

That’s of course if you actually understand the question..which I don’t think that you do.
Discuss?
 

Ritajanice

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Yeah, I see no point in continuing with her. It's pointless.
Ditto.."I see no point in discussing with you either..pointless..most of my questions go unanswered..

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...Praise God.
 

TLHKAJ

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I'll make the distinction; the written word of God is not God, but the Word of God is God.

Revelation 19:13 -He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Yes, and yet....

2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17]That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 

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Again , it depends on what you mean by truth..your truth of scripture or Brightfame truth of what he believes scripture to be saying.

Again, according to you...Brightfame believes the same way as you.according to what he believes scripture to be saying...he believes limited atonement...you don’t believe in limited atonement.

But it does..I’ve posted scripture supporting limited atonement, from other people’s commentaries...you do the same..you post scripture that proves in your opinion that there is no such thing.

Both sides are supported by scripture..that is my opinion by what I have read..
The term limited atonement is not found in the bible, therefore we don't need to understand or believe it. Over and over again where I have seen "extra-biblical" terminology it has turned out to be from the mind of man.....it's a construct of the carnal mind trying to make sense of things that need to be spiritually discerned. Where we see scriptures that appear to the carnal mind to contradict themselves, we need the Holy Spirit to reconcile them to our understanding by the Spirit, because we know God doesn't contradict Himself or lie.
 

Ritajanice

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The term limited atonement is not found in the bible, therefore we don't need to understand or believe it.

There are verses found in scripture that supports limited atonement ..I posted other believers commentaries on the subject..
Over and over again where I have seen "extra-biblical" terminology it has turned out to be from the mind of man.....it's a construct of the carnal mind trying to make sense of things that need to be spiritually discerned. Where we see scriptures that appear to the carnal mind to contradict themselves, we need the Holy Spirit to reconcile them to our understanding by the Spirit, because we know God doesn't contradict Himself or lie.
According to your own commentary, yes...according to others, no.
 
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The term limited atonement is not found in the bible, therefore we don't need to understand or believe it. Over and over again where I have seen "extra-biblical" terminology it has turned out to be from the mind of man.....it's a construct of the carnal mind trying to make sense of things that need to be spiritually discerned. Where we see scriptures that appear to the carnal mind to contradict themselves, we need the Holy Spirit to reconcile them to our understanding by the Spirit, because we know God doesn't contradict Himself or lie.
Limited atonement is a modern term just as being indwelled by the Holy Spirit is not found in scripture, since indwell is a modern term, yet we understand its meaning.

RC Sproul writes;
Limited atonement is taught in Scripture. Under the old covenant, on the Day of Atonement, the high priest of Israel offered an atoning sacrifice only for the people of Israel, not for everyone on the planet (Lev. 16). In the new covenant, Jesus tells us that He lays His life down for His sheep and only for His sheep (John 10:1–18). Some people are not His sheep but are goats. Jesus died not for the goats but for the sheep—His people. Some people have objected to limited atonement because of texts such as 1 John 2:2, which says Jesus is the propitiation not for our sins only but “for the sins of the whole world.” Yet, that text is not talking about the intent of the atonement; rather, it refers to the way of salvation more generally. God has provided only one way of salvation—through Christ (John 14:6). If anyone in the world is going to be saved, it is going to be through Him. There is no other way. The point of 1 John 2:2 is that Christ is the only atonement that can save anyone, not that He has atoned for the sins of every individual.
 

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Limited atonement is a modern term just as being indwelled by the Holy Spirit is not found in scripture, since indwell is a modern term, yet we understand its meaning.
As Paul writes in Romans 8:7-9, “The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
 

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There are verses found in scripture that supports limited atonement ..
Carnally interpreted, to the complete exclusion of multitudes of other scripture that states the opposite of "limited atonement."
 

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Carnally interpreted, to the complete exclusion of multitudes of other scripture that states the opposite of "limited atonement."
According to you...not according to thousands of commentaries out there.

I suggest that you address my other posts, instead of your usual accusations....?
 

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Limited atonement is taught in Scripture. Under the old covenant, on the Day of Atonement, the high priest of Israel offered an atoning sacrifice only for the people of Israel, not for everyone on the planet (Lev. 16).
And yet any Gentile who was willing could join with Israel by entering the old covenant and have the atonement applied to them.

Propitiation for the sins of the world means as opposed to Israel only....it was and is available to the Gentile nations of the world, whosoever was and is willing of them.

The bible says we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God". God foreknew who would receive Christ from before we were created. It's not an easy thing to understand His sovereignty, and how much of His rule and reign is based on His foreknowledge. He gives both man and devil a lot of leeway to exercise their will and yet He remains sovereign over it all.
 
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Ritajanice

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The bible says we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God". God foreknew who would receive Christ from before we were created
That is not what God’s word says...that is you adding your own words to scripture?

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
 
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There are verses found in scripture that supports limited atonement ..
Yes and there are lots of cherry-picked verses that appear to support all kinds of evil as well. Holy scripture in the hands of the carnal mind can be a dangerous thing. But this was foreseen by God, and I believe it is one way hearts are tested.
 

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According to you...not according to thousands of commentaries out there.

I suggest that you address my other posts, instead of your usual accusations....?
I cannot and will not entertain concepts that aren't scriptural, but are constructs of your own mind. You've been shown scripture over and over and over ...yet, when scripture contradicts what you want to believe, you go back to repeating your phrases that have no root in scripture. Your only basis is that you believe the Spirit of God has told you these things in your spirit ...things which are contradictory to scripture, which is God's Word.
 

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Yes and there are lots of cherry-picked verses that appear to support all kinds of evil as well
Including your cherry picked verses.
. Holy scripture in the hands of the carnal mind can be a dangerous thing. But this was foreseen by God, and I believe it is one way hearts are tested.
Carnal mind is hostile to God...as it’s not Born Again.period.
 

Ritajanice

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I cannot and will not entertain concepts that aren't scriptural, but are constructs of your own mind. You've been shown scripture over and over and over ...yet, when scripture contradicts what you want to believe, you go back to repeating your phrases that have no root in scripture. Your only basis is that you believe the Spirit of God has told you these things in your spirit ...things which are contradictory to scripture, which is God's Word.
Prove my posts are unscriptural...you have shown me nothing?...I’m waiting?

Scripture verses don’t testify with our spirit...you don’t seem to know who Gods Living testimony is?

You should know the Spirit Of God....within your own spirit, that’s if Spirit has given birth to spirit?

Instead of throwing out your nonsensical accusations as usual..with no back up to support your unscriptural nonsense.