Limited atonement is a false gospel

[Ritajanice]

"Can never" or "will never"?

"With man it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26)

I go by the Living testimony of the Spirit..I don’t need scripture verses..to know that I can never be un- birthed by the Living Spirit..
Born Again of imperishable seed..?...what seed has our spirit been Born Again of ..the Living Spirit or the Bible?
If one’s spirit hasn’t been Born Again, then what I’m posting would be complete alien to them...even to a new believer.....we grow in Spirit knowledge..all in God’s timing...my spirit became Born Again 33 years ago...and I’ve been working out my salvation ever since...asking to know more of my Spirit Father’s heart and more of his Spirit knowledge...I have spiritual eyes and ears, the moment my spirit was birthed...the Spirit helps me develop them....I’m no longer Of this world..I’m in the spiritual realm...learning and being taught by the Living Spirit who gave birth to my spirit.

You don’t understand the way I understand we can see that and I certainly don’t understand the way that you believe...there we have it.

Becoming Born Again...one does not need any Bible for that supernatural divine event to happen...it’s exactly how Jesus explains to Nicodemas...no one knows the time, day or place...” mind blowing “.well, it was for me!

God is Alive and Active..his Spirit is everywhere...nothing can be hidden from the Living God...he knows what we are going to do, before we even do it...he is all knowing...he knows the beginning and he knows the end of a persons life..

So, there we have it...you believe what you believe the word to be saying....I believe the word to be saying how I understand it....this is where the conflict lies...when someone tells you to STOP.....when they start telling you what to believe..their way or the highway....so instead of a civilised discussion.

It turns into...my truth is the truth..NO it isn’t my truth is the truth...LOL...

 

[Lambano]

I go by the Living testimony of the Spirit..I don’t need scripture verses..

Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' Bible...

Sigh. @Ritajanice, you're a dear, but any testimony your spirit may or may or may not be receiving is totally internal to you and not available to anybody else. We have no idea what you're hearing. I've seen too many arguments that go "The Holy Spirit told me this." "Well, the Holy Spirit told ME that." It might as well just be your "opinion/belief". How do we check it? We've tacitly agreed to use the scripture as our standard.

Otherwise, there's no point in having a discussion, and I should stick to prayer requests and the funny threads.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' Bible..

Who said it was a “ stinkin” Bible?

I said the Bible doesn’t testify with our spirit...it confirms how the Spirit testifies with our spirit.that we are Gods children...no need for nastiness and flying accusations

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Sigh. @Ritajanice, you're a dear, but any testimony your spirit may or may or may not be receiving is totally internal to you and not available to anybody else

That’s your twisted understanding of my posts...I said no such thing..sigh..

I also think you need to reread your own posts to me...full of accusations..never addressing what I’m posting.

. We have no idea what you're hearing. I've seen too many arguments that go "The Holy Spirit told me this." "Well, the Holy Spirit told ME that." It might as well just be your "opinion/belief". How do we check it? We've tacitly agreed to use the scripture as our standard.

I’m not interested in your opinion of what I hear..I go by Gods Living witness who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children..Spirit gives birth to spirit...I know that by the testimony of the Living Spirit...no by reading a bible verse or two..the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit.

Otherwise, there's no point in having a discussion, and I should stick to prayer requests and the funny threads.

Again...sigh...twisting to say that I say that I am the only Born Again....those are your words.

Address my posts please..instead of the same old twisting of my words from you and your accusations saying that I’m the only Born Again..nonsense....I explain my understanding of Born Again.

For some reason it clearly upsets you.

 

[shepherdsword]

The only way to be Born Of The Spirit is exactly how Jesus explains it to Nicodemas...nothing more needs to be added to scripture...you have added the rest. because that is how you understand..I don’t understand your way.

Plus we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness..not by scripture verses.

You missed these verses out...

John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Yes....and after tells him he must be born again he explains it is by belief. I didn't add that...it came from the scriptures you ignore. So....I challenge you...explain how you "think" we are born again. It is impossible to be condemned if you have faith in Jesus
Jn 3:14-18

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes....and after tells him he must be born again he explains it is by belief. I didn't add that...it came from the scriptures you ignore. So....I challenge you...explain how you "think" we are born again. It is impossible to be condemned if you have faith in Jesus
Jn 3:14-18

By the Gods Living testimony?...how else can we know that we are the children of God?

Who testifies with our spirit?

How do you know that your spirit is Born Again?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?...how would you know this?

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That is not how Jesus says that we are Born Again...how do you know that Jesus is who he says he is..or God for that matter?

Where do you know God and by whose testimony do we know God?

Yes....and after tells him he must be born again he explains it is by belief. I didn't add that...it came from the scriptures you ignore. So....I challenge you...explain how you "think" we are born again. It is impossible to be condemned if you have faith in Jesus
Jn 3:14-18

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

No he doesn’t..he explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit..if we believe then we must be Born Again..Faith is a gift from God a supernatural gift..you can’t believe or know God unless one’s spirit is Born Again..then we can begin to walk in faith.

I challenge you to post how you know that your spirit is Born Again of imperishable seed..which means what?

You have added the extra scripture, to understand your way...I don’t need to do that, as I was Born Of The Spirit exactly the way that Jesus explains to Nicodemas...The Spirit is like the wind...now please explain that...?

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes....and after tells him he must be born again he explains it is by belief

He doesn’t explain that it’s by belief...he explains that we are Born Of The Spirit...that’s a Living spiritual birth by Gods Living testimony....Born Of The Spirit...Born Again of imperishable seed?

. I didn't add that...it came from the scriptures you ignore. So....I challenge you...explain how you "think" we are

So, tell me where I ignored scripture...Jesus already explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit...no need to read any further...you read further, because you understand scripture that way..I don’t..as I was Born Of The Spirit..you are the one who is denying how we are Born Of The Spirit..not me...like the wind..we never know the time, day or place.just as the word says...which clearly you are denying .because its a supernatural Living spiritual birth...which you don’t seem to have any understanding of?

born again. It is impossible to be condemned if you have faith in Jesus
Jn 3:14-18

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Plus..who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...?

What in us has been Born Again and by whose seed?

 

[shepherdsword]

By the Gods Living testimony?...how else can we know that we are the children of God?

Who testifies with our spirit?


No he doesn’t..he explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit..if we believe then we must be Born Again..Faith is a gift from God a supernatural gift..you can’t believe or know God unless one’s spirit is Born Again..then we can begin to walk in faith.

I challenge you to post how how know that your spirit is Born Again of imperishable seed..which means what?

You have added the extra scripture, to understand your way...I don’t need to do that, as I was Born Of The Spirit exactly the way that Jesus explains to Nicodemas...The Spirit is like the wind...now please explain that...?

You have absolutely no scriptural comprehension whatsoever. The entire 3rd chapter is about the new birth and how it happens...by believing. That is not something I added. It is within the contextual flow and disputes your errant position. Claiming you are born of the Spirit because "it's like a wind" is some gnostic hyper-spiritual gobbly gook you have dreamed up. It's some gnostic concept that violates the scriptures.
I know I am born again by this:
Ro 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

How did it happen? Like this:
Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.(eternal life only come by the new birth)

"The Spirit is like the wind" is a reference to the new birth being one that is not visible to the eye but you can still detect it by the effect it has on the surroundings...just like the wind. It's not saying it is how one is born again.

So tell me....How were you born again?

 

[Rockerduck]

Just make sure your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life. Whether you believe in limited atonement or not.

Philippians 4:3 And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life.

Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Revelation 13:8 - All who dwell on the earth will worship him(the dragon), whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[shepherdsword]

Just make sure your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life. Whether you believe in limited atonement or not.

Amen to that brother!

 

[Ritajanice]

You have absolutely no scriptural comprehension whatsoever. The entire 3rd chapter is about the new birth and how it happens...by believing.

According to you, which I disagree with.

That is not something I added. It is within the contextual flow and disputes your errant position. Claiming you are born of the Spirit because "it's like a wind" is some gnostic hyper-spiritual gobbly gook you have dreamed up.

Not biblical ..

It's some gnostic concept that violates the scriptures.

Then you show me where I have violated scripture?

According to you..yes...which is not Gods truth, it’s just your opinion..
No it’s not like a wind..that is not how Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit..that’s how you have come to understand scripture...which makes no sense to me..

I know I am born again by this:
Ro 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

How did it happen? Like this:
Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.(eternal life only come by the new birth)

Eternal life comes by being Born Again by the Living testimony of God....then we believe in him from within our spirit as it’s been supernaturally birthed by the Living testimony of God....you obviously have no ideas who Gods Living testimony is...you call it gnostic gibberish ..yet can’t refute it using scripture...
According to your own testimony that’s how it happened..not according to scripture..the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...testifies with “ our spirit “..how else can we know that our spirit is Born Again?

"The Spirit is like the wind" is a reference to the new birth being one that is not visible to the eye but you can still detect it by the effect it has on the surroundings...just like the wind. It's not saying it is how one is born again.

So tell me....How were you born again?

No, that is not how Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit..those are your confusing words.

I’ve already explained how I was Born Of The Spirit..only you don’t understand..

Plus all of my questions as usual go unanswered...How do you know God / Jesus?

Just by reading scripture...if it is, then I’m afraid imo you have no understanding of who Gods Living testimony is...as you have yet to explain who he is?

The Spirit testifies with our “ spirit “...so..how would he do that?

Reading that in scripture...is confirming how the Living Spirit testifies with our” spirit “...that is the Living spiritual rebirth..it’s not something that you can read Into being.

Born Again of imperishable seed...again you never answered the question?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Atonement is meant for all. However, it is limited in respect that it only profits those who have faith.

Romans 12:3
[3]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

[shepherdsword]

According to you, which I disagree with.

Of course...because you lack understanding

No it’s not like a wind..that is not how Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit..that’s how you have come to understand scripture...which makes no sense to me..

It doesn't make sense because you have never been discipled. You just read the bible and jump to your own conclusions

According to your own testimony that’s how it happened..not according to scripture..the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...testifies with “ our spirit “..how else can we know that our spirit is Born Again?

Yes....according to scripture salvation is by faith. This started in Gen 15:6

No, that is not how Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit..those are your confusing words.

Jesus explains that being born of the Spirit is something that can't be seen but can be heard...just like the wind. It is a metaphoric reference.

I’ve already explained how I was Born Of The Spirit..only you don’t understand..

What you said didn't make any sense. Can you please elaborate or are you afraid of the challenge?

Plus all of my questions as usual go unanswered...How do you know God / Jesus?

I explained in my last post but I guess you didn't read it:

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Just by reading scripture...if it is, then I’m afraid imo you have no understanding of who Gods Living testimony is...as you have yet to explain who he is?

Jesus is God's living testimony. He is the Son of the Living God and the savior of all mankind.

 

[TLHKAJ]

No one is under God’s authority on this thread to preach his truth...you are posting like everyone else.

No one but you? lol

 

[TLHKAJ]

You just read the bible and jump to your own conclusions

Oh, she doesn't need to read the Bible... didn't you see her say that over and over? This is her mantra throughout the whole forum for as long as she's been here.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Do you even understand what I post...because I never see you address what I post...if you don’t understand me, then just say?..

Nothing you have said lines up with scripture. You get something in your head and run with it, with all your made up definitions and phrases ....none of which are scriptural.

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course...because you lack understanding

As do you...as I’ve yet to see you acknowledge Gods Living testimony.

It doesn't make sense because you have never been discipled. You just read the bible and jump to your own conclusions

Again..according to you...the Spirit is my leader/ helper..only he can bring the word to my understanding.

Yes....according to scripture salvation is by faith. This started in Gen 15:6

Jesus explains that being born of the Spirit is something that can't be seen but can be heard...just like the wind. It is a metaphoric reference.

No...that is not how we are Born Of The Spirit..those are your unbiblical words...

What you said didn't make any sense. Can you please elaborate or are you afraid of the challenge?

I’ve already explained to you..why would I be afraid of your challenge?

I’m still waiting for you to explain who Gods Living testimony is?

It seems that you don’t know him in your heart/ spirit..for that is what has been Born Again?

I explained in my last post but I guess you didn't read it:

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

So how would he do this...by whose Living testimony....?..just by reading what you read in the Bible...or by Gods Living testimony ?

You haven’t explained what in us is Born Again?...you’ve just posted scripture with no testimony.

Jesus is God's living testimony

How do you know that that your spirit is Born Again?...posting scripture verses is not Gods Living testimony ...

. He is the Son of the Living God and the savior of all mankind.

He is the saviour of his children the Born Again...plus how would you know this...?

Where do you know God/ Jesus...?

Easy question....

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh, she doesn't need to read the Bible... didn't you see her say that over and over? This is her mantra throughout the whole forum for as long as she's been here.

Prove it wrong?

What is your mantra..posting scripture over and over with no exegesis...all ove the forum since you’ve been here.
Why would I need to read a Bible..to know that my spirit is Born Again?

Who testifies with our spirit that it’s Born Again..the Bible or Gods Living testimony?

Try and give your testimony..instead of keep posting scripture..anyone can post scripture..where’s your exegesis?

Scripture after scripture..with no exegesis...that’s the way you have always posted..no Living testimony..or better still, who is Gods Living testimony?

 

[TLHKAJ]

The Bible is not God...God is a Living Spirit...do you understand that?...

The Word of God IS God!
John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Word of God IS God!
John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning was a Living God!..he hovered over the waters.

[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The written word of God is not God..God is a Living Spirit..try and post exegesis..instead of only quoting scripture...who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children..the Bible Or God’s Living Spirit?

We are Born Again of imperishable seed..how would we know this?

Is it a Living seed?..that our spirit has been Born Again of...

 

[Rockerduck]

I'll make the distinction; the written word of God is not God, but the Word of God is God.

Revelation 19:13 -He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.