But your conclusions about what constitutes this natural order are just declarations
Yes, my arguments contain "declarations", we call them assertions. I couched my argument in terms that another Bible-believing person would understand. God created the earth and everything on it. The created order is rational and works according to laws because he gives order to his creation. In fact, the term "cosmos" comes from the Greek word for "order." Paul argues that God's existence can be deduced or inferred from the created order.
He made them male and female. And he created them to reproduce. Anything that keeps humanity from reproducing is a violation of the created order. Some people are unable to have children due to a malady of some kind. These are unable to reproduce against their will. Others choose to violate the created order voluntarily.
and the average human uses them for reproduction twice maybe three times in their lifetime.
Genitalia have multiple purposes, not just one
In my video, I give a simple analogy that is easily understood. Consider a nut and a bolt. Both are needed to make a structural connection. Two bolts together can't make the connection; two nuts together can't make the connection. The nut and bolt were designed to make a connection.
Well if this were the case then good Christians would be preventing the infertile from getting married as they cannot facilitate reproduction they violate the created order and are therefore immoral.
There are two main reasons to be infertile: voluntary and involuntary infertility. Since the basis for morality is action; those who involuntarily remain infertile are not blameworthy. Those who voluntarily remain infertile are subject to moral judgment.
But Christians don't prevent the infertile from getting married. If fact such marriages are celebrated in Churches with friends and family.
Again, voluntary infertility versus involuntary infertility. Morality s an evaluation of an action. Homosexuality is an action.
Its simple enough. Orientation is independent of biological sex. just like both are independent of gender roles.
Orientation is not independent of biological sex. What does orientation even mean unless it involves sexuality? Either someone is oriented the right way or they are oriented the wrong way with regard to the physical design.
But again, even if a woman happened to be oriented toward other women, she can choose to go unfulfilled.
So we have fingers specifically to type on a keyboard and using fingers to feed yourself is therefore immoral.
Or do body parts have multiple uses after all.
If you want to use your genitals exclusively for reproduction and absolutely nothing else you go right ahead. But please remember that your bladder with rupture if you don't drain it regularly.....and you of course know what humans use to urinate don't you?
How does urination violate the created order? Your arguments are specious because you refuse to face the obvious. The design of a nut and bolt dictate function and any deviation from the designed function has obvious consequences.
It happens naturally and occurs in nature. pretty much the definition of natural.
Sickness and disease are also part of nature. And so is self-harm. I argued earlier that homosexuality (habitual practice) results in a damaged psyche. The damage is self-inflicted. A man burning for another man is evidence of a damaged psyche. All of this is found in nature. But the habitual practice of homosexuality is a pattern of behavior committed by a free-will agent. That is why homosexuality is damnable.
But homosexuality can be forgiven also.
No, you went on a little rant because your view wasn't being supported.
I didn't go on a rant; I simply said that he was an idiot. He was not healing people; he was making them feel better about being sick.
No need to pretend that I was.
I hear you.
One need not argue the obvious.
It does indicate a state of being as one can be hetero or homo or bi without ever having engaged in any sexual practices.
Incorrect. One cannot legitimately claim to be a belly dancer without actually belly-dancing. One cannot legitimately claim to be a doctor without actually practicing medicine. One cannot legitimately claim to be an airline pilot without actually flying an airliner. Understand?
and you then dismiss science that doesn't support your dogmatic beliefs
I didn't dismiss science. I dismissed out of hand the work product of those scientists whose conclusions disagree with the created order. God would never create a woman who had an orientation toward another woman. She came to her orientation through training or trauma.
And yet he hid his discoveries so he would not face persecution. He knew revealing them would mark him as a heretic. and his discoveries were rejected as being against the natural order for years and years after his death.
Your argument is with authoritarian-based knowledge. I don't know if you noticed, but our culture has not eliminated authoritarian-based knowledge. "Yeah meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." Weren't you paying attention during Covid?
The view of what the natural order changes over time, it is not constant and it is subject to political manipulations.
Of course. Remember, I never made an appeal to an authority. I asked you to look at your own body.
you suppress truth because you don't like it.
You say that because you are done with your argument.
You just said LGBT people are not worthy of being called human "end up with a mind that is not worthy of being called a mind"
Denying the humanity of people is the benchmark of hate.
You are putting words in my mouth. To say that someone has a mind not worthy of being called a mind is not an antihuman declaration. It speaks to the privation of the human soul. I maintain that homosexuality is self-hatred, a malady inflicted on oneself. I don't hate them; they hate themselves, which is why they seek pleasure for the sake of entertainment. A troubled mind needs distraction in order to cope with guilt.
Ever see a car driving down the street with the music turned up so loud that the music can be heard for blocks? This is a person who doesn't want to hear their own thoughts. It's an escape.
You want to know why God made them male and female? He is forcing us to deal with "the other", a person who doesn't look like me; and a person who doesn't think like me.
Why are some men attracted to other men? Because the prospective partner isn't one of the "others" -- a woman. Why are some women attracted to other women? Because the prospective partner is not one of the "others" -- a man.
Homosexuals are cowards. They are afraid of the opposite sex; they are unable to face the strange.
