Legalism in religion

[Titus]

Peter makes it clear that baptism does not save us in putting away the filth of the flesh (Sin or the sin nature) but it is an answer of having a good and clean conscience towards God already (See: 1 Peter 3:21)

Peter makes it very clear that water baptism does now save us,
1Peter 3:20-21,
-who formerly were disobedient, when the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which few, that is eight souls, were saved by water by water
-There is an antitype which now saves us--baptism....

Peter taught water saved eight souls from the flood.
Which now saves us is baptism.
Peter goes on to say what baptism is not,
-(not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God)
, through the ressurection of Jesus Christ

Peter taught baptism washes away sins, Acts 2:38

 

[Charlie24]

Peter makes it very clear that water baptism does now save us,
1Peter 3:20-21,
-who formerly were disobedient, when the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which few, that is eight souls, were saved by water by water
-There is an antitype which now saves us--baptism....

Peter taught water saved eight souls from the flood.
Which now saves us is baptism.
Peter goes on to say what baptism is not,
-(not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God)
, through the ressurection of Jesus Christ

Parter taught baptism washes away sins, Acts 2:38

Read it again, Titus! Does it not say "The like figure" whereas even baptism does also now save us?

What do you suppose "the like figure" means?

 

[rockytopva]

I went to a church a couple Sunday nights ago where the people were decent and the preaching was anointed. It was an hour trip through the mountains where the two lane road turned to one, and then to a dirt road before getting there. I was very much surprised to find a wonderful church that can seat 400 with what looked like a four story high sanctuary made with mountain rock. Very much worth the trip! No need of legalistic talk when the Holy Spirit is among us!

 

[Titus]

Read it again, Titus! Does it not say "The like figure" whereas even baptism does also now save us?

What do you suppose "the like figure" means?

Water saved Noah
The like figure is baptism. Peter said baptism now saves us,
Acts 2:38,
.... Then Peter said to them, Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins
Peter taught baptism washes away our sins.

 

[Charlie24]

Water saved Noah
The like figure is baptism. Peter said baptism now saves us,
Acts 2:38,
.... Then Peter said to them, Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins
Peter taught baptism washes away our sins.

The "figure" is a symbol. The "like figure" is the symbol of water baptism saving us!

We are saved by spiritually being baptized into the death of Christ, Rom. 6:3.

Water baptism is the "like figure" or symbol of this spiritual salvation.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Peter makes it very clear that water baptism does now save us,
1Peter 3:20-21,
-who formerly were disobedient, when the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which few, that is eight souls, were saved by water by water
-There is an antitype which now saves us--baptism....

Peter taught water saved eight souls from the flood.
Which now saves us is baptism.
Peter goes on to say what baptism is not,
-(not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God)
, through the ressurection of Jesus Christ

Peter taught baptism washes away sins, Acts 2:38

Think. Noah and his family were not facing a crowd of people who were imminently trying to kill them and a giant wave of water came in to save them at the last moment. They were saved from that evil world by being removed from it. So it was the influence of evil that they were being saved from. They no longer had to remember that sinful world and they can now start again brand new. Just as when Christ cleanses our conscience of our past sins by being saved by God’s grace and we start brand new. 1 Peter 3:21 says that baptism saves us so to give an answer of having a good conscience.

Hebrews 9:14 says:
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

You are first saved by God’s grace. THEN you serve the living God by being baptized (as a part of your service).
Our conscience is cleansed by the blood of Christ.

As for Acts 2:38:

First, it is important to understand that these were Jews (who rejected their Messiah) and not Gentiles. The Jews were supposed to know God’s ways and the Scriptures. So it was a call back to repentance for them in accepting their Messiah (as written in OT Scripture). Nowhere does Peter or any other apostle say these words for Gentile Christians. In fact, they did not know the Gentiles were included until Peter encountered Cornelius and the Spirit came upon him. But the point here is that the Jews were not learning about God for the first time. So this was not Initial Salvation but a call back to God. Second, if you wanted Acts 2:38 to apply to Gentiles (Which it is not), then this still does not really help you because the word “for” can be translated as “because” (Which is how the Amplified Bible translates it). In fact, the word, “for” can be defined as “because“ in definition 14 in the Webster’s 1828 dictionary (Which you can check out the link below).

King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - For

For, King James Bible Dictionary

kingjamesbibledictionary.com

But if you are hard pressed to not accept this, one could understand that baptism is symbolic of Christ’s death according to Romans 6. So repentance (Seeking forgiveness with God) is what actually remits sin, and baptism is the symbolic picture of the remission of sins. So it’s a true statement. So the statement in Acts 2:38 is one part literal, and one part symbolic. So either way you slice it, you cannot use just one verse to support you here. We know Cornelius received the Spirit before being water baptized (Which proves one can be saved without water baptism).

 

[amigo de christo]

None of us are worthy of anything from God! The Scripture says, "there is none righteous, no not one."

The righteousness we receive at salvation is not ours, it's the righteousness of Christ that He earned, freely given to us through faith in His finished work.

Legalism is no better defined than in one who seeks earn the Grace of God. It can't be done. And one who thinks he is worthy of that righteousness, or believes he is worthy of the Kingdom of God, has not humbled himself at the foot of the Cross.

Through faith we have been given something we don't deserve! I question the salvation of one who thinks he is worthy of anything from God. On the other hand, one should see that only by the Grace of God is there any hope for us.

Through the regeneration of one who has believed in the Christ, there comes a humbleness, a sense of knowing he is at the mercy of God, at the mercy and promise of the Almighty God that He has granted you eternal life for believing in His Son.

And there is nothing you can do but believe Him, trust Him that even though you know you are not worthy, He has pardoned you through His great love.

Our works are solely out of love for God, The mercy we have found, we want others to experience!

The only thing i was worthy of from GOD was the second death punishment i had fully earned .
Now excuse me while i praise the KING , the SOLE REASON i have eternal life and a real good end . KING JESUS
by the grace of GOD . Let all that draws breath praise the glorious KING .

 

[Titus]

The "figure" is a symbol. The "like figure" is the symbol of water baptism saving us!

We are saved by spiritually being baptized into the death of Christ, Rom. 6:3.

Water baptism is the "like figure" or symbol of this spiritual salvation.

Romans 6 is water baptism.
-Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?
-Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
-for if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His ressurection,

Paul is teaching literal water baptism.
This water baptism is spiritual baptism.
Paul taught only one baptism in the gospel,
Ephesians 4:5,
-one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
There is only one baptism according to Paul.
That baptism is water as we see recorded in The Ethiopian Eunuch's conversion.
Acts 8:37-39.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The only thing i was worthy of from GOD was the second death punishment i had fully earned .
Now excuse me while i praise the KING , the SOLE REASON i have eternal life and a real good end . KING JESUS
by the grace of GOD . Let all that draws breath praise the glorious KING .

Revelation 3:4 says:
”Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.”

 

[Charlie24]

Romans 6 is water baptism.
-Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?
-Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
-for if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His ressurection,

Paul is teaching literal water baptism.
This water baptism is spiritual baptism.
Paul taught only one baptism in the gospel,
Ephesians 4:5,
-one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
There is only one baptism according to Paul.
That baptism is water as we see recorded in The Ethiopian Eunuch's conversion.
Acts 8:37-39.

NO, afraid not!

Col. 2:11-12
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

It is the circumcision made without hands, spiritually baptized into Christ. This is our actual salvation that takes place the very moment we believe in the finished work of Christ.

Water baptism is the symbol of this salvation, as Peter said.

 

[amigo de christo]

Revelation 3:4 says:
”Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.”

So long as we continue in CHRIST we are counted worthy . Yep . He alone is the only hope this man truly has .
And if we are TRULY of HIM would not HIS SPIRIT be within us having us to do the good and to flee the evil .
YEP . ITS why the early church was often seen writing IFS . IF ye , IF YE
SO on that note , seeing that we know these things already , let none be moved away from the hope of the gospel .
Let none be moved away in the error of the delusion of the all inclusive many path lie from hell .
in fact let us learn those bibles well . Simply believe and obey and exhort daily , lest any does become
hardened through the decietfulness of sin , lest any follow another jesus which cannot save .
IF the jesus one came to holds a rainbow flag and says all is well god is love , I GOT REAL bad news , ya jesus is the devil
simply using the name of jesus to justify evil .
IF ya jesus is saying , oh there are many paths to GOD and one does not have to believe in CHRIST alone for salvation
I got real bad news , ya jesus is none other than satan using the name OF JESUS to impart his lies and get the worship of man .
Just saying .

 

[Titus]

Think. Noah and his family were not facing a crowd of people who were imminently trying to kill them and a giant wave of water came in to save them at the last moment. They were saved from that evil world by being removed from it. So it was the influence of evil that they were being saved from. They no longer had to remember that sinful world and they can now start again brand new. Just as when Christ cleanses our conscience of our past sins by being saved by God’s grace and we start brand new. 1 Peter 3:21 says that baptism saves us so to give an answer of having a good conscience.

Hebrews 9:14 says:
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

You are first saved by God’s grace. THEN you serve the living God by being baptized (as a part of your service).
Our conscience is cleansed by the blood of Christ.

As for Acts 2:38:

First, it is important to understand that these were Jews (who rejected their Messiah) and not Gentiles. The Jews were supposed to know God’s ways and the Scriptures. So it was a call back to repentance for them in accepting their Messiah (as written in OT Scripture). Nowhere does Peter or any other apostle say these words for Gentile Christians. In fact, they did not know the Gentiles were included until Peter encountered Cornelius and the Spirit came upon him. But the point here is that the Jews were not learning about God for the first time. So this was not Initial Salvation but a call back to God. Second, if you wanted Acts 2:38 to apply to Gentiles (Which it is not), then this still does not really help you because the word “for” can be translated as “because” (Which is how the Amplified Bible translates it). In fact, the word, “for” can be defined as “because“ in definition 14 in the Webster’s 1828 dictionary (Which you can check out the link below).

King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - For

For, King James Bible Dictionary

kingjamesbibledictionary.com

But if you are hard pressed to not accept this, one could understand that baptism is symbolic of Christ’s death according to Romans 6. So repentance (Seeking forgiveness with God) is what actually remits sin, and baptism is the symbolic picture of the remission of sins. So it’s a true statement. So the statement in Acts 2:38 is one part literal, and one part symbolic. So either way you slice it, you cannot use just one verse to support you here. We know Cornelius received the Spirit before being water baptized (Which proves one can be saved without water baptism).

But the point here is that the Jews were not learning about God for the first time. So this was not Initial Salvation but a call back to God. Second, if you wanted Acts 2:38 to apply to Gentiles (Which it is not), then this still does not really help you because the word “for” can be translated as “because

No the Greek word eis never ever means because of. You are no Greek scholar Bible Highlighter.

Your two gospels gospel is unbiblical and contradory.

You say first we are saved, justified by Grace alone, faith alone.
If by Grace alone then it cannot also be by faith alone, Bible Highlighter.

The word alone excludes everything else.
Look up the definition!

Also you claim first you are saved by faith.
Then you say no one can be saved by faith alone!
You then teach the second gospel that contradicts the first.
We must be saved by faith and works. Faith alone can no longer save us.

If faith alone can no longer save us Bible Highlighter,
THEN WE WERE NEVER SAVED BY FAITH ALONE.

Your two gospels salvation tries to ride the fence on two opposing theologies.
It is a mess, makes no sense, therefore it cannot be Jesus' gospel

 

[amigo de christo]

The early church taught be ye hearers and doers
SO we ought to be hearers and doers of all things they did teach . LEST we decieve ourselves .
Remember if ya jesus is preaching some things contrary to THE BIBLICAL ONE , guess what jesus ya following . a hint i didnt captilize that jesus did i ...........the devil using the name of JESUS to create another image of jesus that serves the devil .
I keep it real . WE aint got the time folks think we do . and way too many within even the churches
are following a jesus created by satan to serve SATAN not GOD and not CHRIST . and too many who love the flesh
just love this other jesus getting sold under the guise of yet a false love which serves , YOU GOT IT SATAN and the flesh .
KEEP IT REAL .

 

[Titus]

NO, afraid not!

Col. 2:11-12
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

It is the circumcision made without hands, spiritually baptized into Christ. This is our actual salvation that takes place the very moment we believe in the finished work of Christ.

Water baptism is the symbol of this salvation, as Peter said.

Colossians 2:11-12 is water baptism. Water baptism is spiritual baptism.
Paul said one baptism, Ephesians 4:5. Therefore you have two baptisms in Jesus' gospel Charlie24.
That is adding to Paul's one baptism.
When all of the folks obeyed the gospel in the book of Acts.
All was water baptized.
Therefore water baptism is the one gospel, Ephesians 4:5.
Paul water baptized, 1Corinthians 1
Paul would then be teaching two baptisms not one if he included Holy Spirit baptism as the baptism that washes away our sins.

Paul's sins were washed away in water baptism,
Acts 22:16,
-and now why are you waiting, Arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[amigo de christo]

Revelation 3:4 says:
”Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.”

The early church warned , so we warn . Every WORD of GOD , INSPIRED BY GOD is good for our soul .
GOD knows howto keep us safe . We better HEED HIM and not the flesh .

 

[Charlie24]

Colossians 2:11-12 is water baptism. Water baptism is spiritual baptism.
Paul said one baptism, Ephesians 4:5. Therefore you have two baptisms in Jesus' gospel Charlie24.
That is adding to Paul's one baptism.
When all of the folks obeyed the gospel in the book of Acts.
All was water baptized.
Therefore water baptism is the one gospel, Ephesians 4:5.
Paul water baptized, 1Corinthians 1
Paul would then be teaching two baptisms not one if he included Holy Spirit baptism as the baptism that washes away our sins.

Paul's sins were washed away in water baptism,
Acts 22:16,
-and now why are you waiting, Arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Do you remember Paul saying that we have become a new creature in Christ?

This is what he is referring to. The "operation of God" whereby we are baptized (immersed) into the death of Christ, not immersed in water!

Salvation does not take place in water! And immersion is not always in water.

The word Paul uses here for baptism is "baptisma" it refers to the placing of a person or thing into a new environment, and into union with something that changes its previous condition to a new condition.

It's referring to the Roman soldiers who dip their swords into a bowl of blood before battle., or a Smith that places a piece of hot iron into water, tempering it. It's referring to a change of condition. It's the change of condition in the heart of man at the moment of salvation.

This change is represented in water baptism. We are lowered into the water, baptized into the death of Christ, and raised a new creature in Christ.

 

[Titus]

Do you remember Paul saying that we have become a new creature in Christ?

This is what he is referring to. The "operation of God" whereby we are baptized (immersed) into the death of Christ, not immersed in water!

Salvation does not take place in water! And immersion is not always in water.

The word Paul uses here for baptism is "baptisma" it refers to the placing of a person or thing into a new environment, and into union with something that changes its previous condition to a new condition.

It's referring to the Roman soldiers who dip their swords into a bowl of blood before battle., or a Smith that places a piece of hot iron into water, tempering it. It's referring to a change of condition. It's the change of condition in the heart of man at the moment of salvation.

This change is represented in water baptism. We are lowered into the water, baptized into the death of Christ, and raised a new creature in Christ.

Colossians 2:12 is water immersion. If not why was Paul water baptized to wash away His sins?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No the Greek word eis never ever means because of. You are no Greek scholar Bible Highlighter.

Your two gospels gospel is unbiblical and contradory.

You say first we are saved, justified by Grace alone, faith alone.
If by Grace alone then it cannot also be by faith alone, Bible Highlighter.

The word alone excludes everything else.
Look up the definition!

Also you claim first you are saved by faith.
Then you say no one can be saved by faith alone!
You then teach the second gospel that contradicts the first.
We must be saved by faith and works. Faith alone can no longer save us.

If faith alone can no longer save us Bible Highlighter,
THEN WE WERE NEVER SAVED BY FAITH ALONE.

Your two gospels salvation tries to ride the fence on two opposing theologies.
It is a mess, makes no sense, therefore it cannot be Jesus' gospel

I don’t want to be a scribe (scholar) because Jesus said to beware of them.

I also did not say that there were two gospels, either. There is only one gospel. I said there are two aspects of salvation. This is because they appear to operate differently.

 

[Charlie24]

Colossians 2:12 is water immersion. If not why was Paul water baptized to wash away His sins?

Ananias told Paul to go and be baptized, washing away his sins, calling on the name of the Lord, as the confession of his faith.

Paul was saved on the road to Damascus when He said, Lord, what will you have me do.

He was water baptized 3 days later, publicly confessing the name of the Lord, the baptism was the symbol of his sins being washed away, that proved he had accepted Christ as his Saviour.

 

[Titus]

I don’t want to be a scribe (scholar) because Jesus said to beware of them.

I also did not say that there were two gospels, either. There is only one gospel. I said there are two aspects of salvation. This is because they appear to operate differently.

I know you believe your gospel is one. But there is truly one gospel, 1Corinthians 15:1-4; Mark 16:15-16. Jesus gospel never says you are saved by anything alone. I understand that you are teaching two gospels. I know you dont see it that way. Your theories contradict themselves.