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well these are false teachers.

The problem is I see people attack true believers and say they love sins. This is a prety big problem (I have been accused of this myself
If one sins it is right that believers confront the sinful behaviour.

Often people find it hard to distinguish between miss-guided ambition and aspirations with actual sinful behaviour.
Others condemn themselves over feelings rather than seeing sin is hurtful actions, not the temptations or drives that lead to sin.

Learning our personal emotional life is critical to changing how we respond and what we like and appreciate and what we
run away from. If one goes into bars, flirts and gets aggressive, it is a small step to fall into sin.
If one socializes with good people and encourages good pursuits, it is amazing how good fruit results.
 
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I don't know what all this is pertaining to, but while a forum is not "a" church, wherever you have believers it is "the church" in a more general sense. Each one may bring either what they receive from the Lord to bring and/or just to discuss and converse about things of God. In this way I even believe a forum more resembles a true ekklesia to some extent.....where it says when you come together every one of you hath a word, a revelation, a prophecy etc. I'd say there is more building up of the Body and growing in this format than in the vast majority of churches run by one man. It is supposed to be "the body building itself up in love" as it is being led by the Head of it, not just one man trying to build it up by himself being only one member/part, while he himself is not being built up by the rest of the Body who sit passively in pews saying and doing nothing. And the word of God is not confined to special buildings or formal gatherings, surely.
 
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This is not a Church-this is online Internet with over 32'000 different denomination. You have your work cut out for you

True-however this here is not a "church"

Agree-however this is not a Church-this is an online Forum.

Agree-however this is not a ekklesia-
Eph 6:11 You must put on God's full armor, so as to be able to stand up against the devil's stratagems.
Eph 6:12 For our contest is not with human foes alone, but with the rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of this dark world; that is, with the spirit-forces of evil challenging us in the heavenly contest.
Eph 6:13 So you must take on God's full armor, so as to be able to take a stand in the day when evil attacks you, and, after having completely finished the contest, to hold your own.
Eph 6:14 Hold your position, then, with your waist encircled with the belt of truth, put on right-doing as a coat of mail,
Eph 6:15 and put on your feet the preparation the good news of peace supplies.
Eph 6:16 Besides all these, take on the shield which faith provides, for with it you will be able to put out all the fire-tipped arrows shot by the evil one,
Eph 6:17 take the helmet salvation provides, and take the sword the Spirit wields, which is the word of God.
Eph 6:18 Keep on praying in the Spirit, with every kind of prayer and entreaty, at every opportunity, be ever on the alert with perfect devotion and entreaty for all God's people,
Eph 6:19 and for me that a message may be given me when I open my lips, so that I may boldly make known the open secret of the good news,
Eph 6:20 for the sake of which I am an envoy in prison: so that, when I tell it, I may speak as courageously as I ought.
Williams Bible


Qualifications for Elders
Tit 1:5 I left you in Crete for this express purpose, to set in order the things that are lacking, and to appoint elders in each town, as I directed you --
Tit 1:6 each elder must be above reproach, have only one wife, and his children must not be liable to the charge of profligacy or disobedience.
Tit 1:7 For as God's trustee a pastor must be above reproach, not stubborn or quick-tempered or addicted to strong drink or pugnacious or addicted to dishonest gain,
Tit 1:8 but hospitable, a lover of goodness, sensible, upright, of pure life, self-controlled,
Tit 1:9 and a man who continues to cling to the trustworthy message as he was taught it, so that he may be competent to encourage others with wholesome teaching and to convict those who oppose him.
Tit 1:10 For there are many insubordinate people, mere talkers with nothing to say, but deceivers of their own minds, especially those of the circumcision party,
Tit 1:11 whose mouths must be stopped, for they upset whole families by teaching things they ought not to think, for the sake of dishonest gain.
Tit 1:12 One of them, a prophet of their own countrymen, has said, "Cretans are always liars, wicked brutes, lazy bellies."
Tit 1:13 Now this tendency is true. So continue correcting them severely, that they may be healthy in faith,
Tit 1:14 by ceasing to give attention to Jewish myths and to the commands of men who turn their backs on the truth.

Tit 1:15 To the pure everything is pure, but to the impure and unbelieving nothing is pure, but their very minds and consciences are impure.
Tit 1:16 They profess to know God, but by their actions they disown Him; they are detestable, disobedient, and useless for anything good.

Your verse you use frequently-out of context may I add.

False teachers and cult groups can be quickly identified by three characteristics.

1. exploitation of money

2. exploitation of sexual freedom

3. a claim to unique and direct revelation

If your religious leaders want your money, your wife, and claim God told them — run!

1:12 "One of themselves a prophet" Epimenides lived in the sixth century b.c. and was from Crete. The fact that Paul quotes one of their poets shows the Greek influence on this island and in the heresy. Paul quotes from Greek philosophers and poets at least three times in his writings (cf. Acts 17:28; 1 Cor. 15:13; Titus 1:12). His home town of Tarsus was known for its educational institutions. Paul was highly educated in both Greek and Hebrew culture.

Paul may have called Epimenides a prophet because he wrote truly about the inhabitants of Crete or possibly because the Cretans considered him a speaker inspired by the Greek gods. He was known as one of the wisest men of Crete.

"Cretans are always liars" This is in hexameter poetic form. The Cretans believed and bragged that Zeus was buried on their island. The term "cretinous" meant "a liar." In this context this characterization seems to relate to the false teachers, not the churches or the general public.

"lazy gluttons" The basic meaning of the phrase is greed (cf. Phil. 3:19).

1:13 "reprove them severely" This literally means "cut off with a knife." This is a present active imperative. This strong term is used only here in the NT. Additional admonitions to strongly rebuke can be seen in 1 Tim. 5:25; 2 Tim. 4:2; Titus 2:15.

See-I'm giving you ammunition!

"so that they may be sound in the faith" This shows that discipline is to be redemptive, not punitive (cf. 1 Cor. 5:5; Heb. 12:5-13). The pronouns in Titus 1:13 refer to the false teachers (cf. 2 Tim. 2:25-26).

The term "sound" is a recurrent theme in the Pastoral Letters, which refers to something being healthy (cf. 1 Tim. 1:10; 2 Tim. 1:13; 4:3; Titus 1:9,13; 2:1,2,8).

1:14 "Jewish myths" These myths may be connected to Jewish speculation about the genealogy of the Messiah (cf. Titus 3:9; 1 Tim. 1:4; 2 Tim. 4:4). For a good discussion of the differing connotations of "myth" see G. B. Caird, The Language and Imagery of the Bible, pp. 219-242.

"and commandments of men" This, in context, seems to refer to the Oral Tradition of the Jews, later codified in the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds (cf. Isa. 29:13; Mark 7:7-8; Col. 2:16-23).

"who turn away from the truth" This is a present middle participle. These false teachers continue to turn away from the gospel. See Special Topic: Truth at 1 Tim. 2:4.

1:15 "To the pure, all things are pure" "Everything" is put first in the Greek sentence for emphasis. This truth is hard for some believers to understand (cf. 1 Tim. 4:4; Mark 7:15-23; Luke 11:41; Rom. 14:14,20; 1 Cor. 10:23-33)! This possibly relates to asceticism so common in Greek religious philosophical traditions (cf. 1 Tim. 4:3; Col. 2:20-22). Legalistic Christians often lose the biblical balance at this very point (cf. Rom. 14:1-15:13)!

"but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure" The first cognate verbal is a perfect passive participle and the second is a perfect passive indicative, which speaks of a settled state produced by an outside agent, here possibly the evil one. This type of person twists everything and everyone for personal interest (ex. Acts 20:29).


1:16 "They profess to know God" "God" is placed first in the Greek sentence for emphasis. These false teachers claim to be religious! They claim godliness based on human regulations (cf. Isa. 29:13; Col. 2:16-23), but in reality, they are defiled. Some see this as another evidence of the Jewish element of the heresy because of the term "God" rather than Christ. For "profess" see SPECIAL TOPIC: CONFESSION at 1 Tim. 6:12.

"but by their deeds they deny Him" This is a present middle indicative. Believers' lifestyle choices give evidence of their true conversion (cf. Matt. 7:16,20; 1 John and James).

"detestable" This is a term used often in the Septuagint translated "abominable" (cf. Rev. 17:4) and is often associated with idolatry. It literally means "smelly" (cf. Rev. 21:8).
"and disobedient and worthless for any good deed" What a shocking phrase (cf. 1 Cor. 3:10-15; 2 Pet. 1:8-11)!

The word "disobedient" is also used in Titus 3:3 to describe how believers lived before the grace of God/Christ changed them (3:4)!

The word "worthless" literally means "failure to pass the test" (dokimos with the alpha privative, cf. 1 Cor. 9:27; 2 Tim. 3:8). See Special Topic: The Greek Term for "Testing" at 1 Tim. 6:9.


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your number one identifyer of wolves would be correct my friend .
But watch out . cause many wolves can have a pretence they aint doing things for money .
IF doctrine is getting pushed out in order to make folks feel welcome , YOU GOT YOU A WOLF in the house
But the emegent realm is of the devil and it TOO preached against the deadly false prosperity gospel .
SO WATCH out . watch out . many wolves know how to seduce and to allure . OH THEY DO my friend . and we gots many ..
You number two . Is also true . if they do exploit sexual freedom , OH THEY false all right
but watch out , for even some who still preach against such stuff , BE WOLVES IN WOOL .
Your number three . NOT all men who decieve the flocks be coveting another mans wife . Might be her husband .
Got real bad news johann .
d with not only the denominations
BUT THE FALSE RELIGOINS .
THATS RIGHT . THE FINAL DELUSION to gather the false to merge AGAIN AS ONE , no longer divided
but now united , THEY ALL UNDER IT NOW parnder .
THEY gonna merge the denominations under the guise we all brethren we all believe
they gonna merge us .
 

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I don't know what all this is pertaining to, but while a forum is not "a" church, wherever you have believers it is "the church" in a more general sense. Each one may bring either what they receive from the Lord to bring and/or just to discuss and converse about things of God. In this way I even believe a forum more resembles a true ekklesia to some extent.....where it says when you come together every one of you hath a word, a revelation, a prophecy etc. I'd say there is more building up of the Body and growing in this format than in the vast majority of churches run by one man. It is supposed to be "the body building itself up in love" as it is being led by the Head of it, not just one man trying to build it up by himself being only one member/part, while he himself is not being built up by the rest of the Body who sit passively in pews saying and doing nothing. And the word of God is not confined to special buildings or formal gatherings, surely.
its all about silencing the remiders of truth that so wounds the conscious of those being warned .
THEY want to silence the voices of those who DO correct sins and errors and make them seem as though they are judgmental .
The truth is , TRUTH exposes darkness . OH but IT DOES .
and the truth is most dont like the truth that exposes their darkness .
And the truth is a whole ton of leaders , for years and for decades , have desired the eaisest path to make money
keep seats and get numbers . THEY the ones who taught churches long ago
about this other junk they call love and they consider loving .
THEY wont expose . they wont look out for the sheep . THEY IN IT as a business . hirelings .
And when they were being corrected by a few , well they made the few look to be as judgers and condemers .
cause TRUTH dont keep seats filled , thus money aint gonna keep flowing on in , NOW IS IT .
TRUTH exposes darkness . ANY THING that be LIGHT exposes , it dont cover up , IT EXPOSES darkness .
JESUS was not in it for a minstiry and a gathering and the easy life .
HE actually LOVED THE SHEEP . these wolves DONT . they love this life , this world , this utopia , this best life now crap .
TRUTH aint gonna keep their pews filled and offerings coming . THEY gotta GET RID OF TRUTH
to keep the numbers . ITS WHAT THEY DID and i plan to expose every last one of them and their false doctrine .
TRUE men LOOK OUT FOR THE SHEEP no matter the cost for doing so . THESE HIRELINGS and their so called scholars
can get the heck out of my way as far as i be concerned . SOMEONE has to do something .
The people are led into darkness , the hirelings sure as heck dont care , AS LONG AS PEWS BE FILLED .
I AM GONNA DO SOMETHING . and i know its cost gonna me all in the days ahead . SO BE IT . THE LORD
is with the lambs and our end IS GOOD .
 
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your number one identifyer of wolves would be correct my friend .
But watch out . cause many wolves can have a pretence they aint doing things for money .
IF doctrine is getting pushed out in order to make folks feel welcome , YOU GOT YOU A WOLF in the house
But the emegent realm is of the devil and it TOO preached against the deadly false prosperity gospel .
SO WATCH out . watch out . many wolves know how to seduce and to allure . OH THEY DO my friend . and we gots many ..
You number two . Is also true . if they do exploit sexual freedom , OH THEY false all right
but watch out , for even some who still preach against such stuff , BE WOLVES IN WOOL .
Your number three . NOT all men who decieve the flocks be coveting another mans wife . Might be her husband .
Got real bad news johann .
d with not only the denominations
BUT THE FALSE RELIGOINS .
THATS RIGHT . THE FINAL DELUSION to gather the false to merge AGAIN AS ONE , no longer divided
but now united , THEY ALL UNDER IT NOW parnder .
THEY gonna merge the denominations under the guise we all brethren we all believe
they gonna merge us .
Correct.
 
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I don't know what all this is pertaining to, but while a forum is not "a" church, wherever you have believers it is "the church" in a more general sense. Each one may bring either what they receive from the Lord to bring and/or just to discuss and converse about things of God. In this way I even believe a forum more resembles a true ekklesia to some extent.....where it says when you come together every one of you hath a word, a revelation, a prophecy etc. I'd say there is more building up of the Body and growing in this format than in the vast majority of churches run by one man. It is supposed to be "the body building itself up in love" as it is being led by the Head of it, not just one man trying to build it up by himself being only one member/part, while he himself is not being built up by the rest of the Body who sit passively in pews saying and doing nothing. And the word of God is not confined to special buildings or formal gatherings, surely.
If you wanna know if someone knows the bible . first off we ourselves need to have been in the bible for ourselves .
Now i am about to tell you something that is probably gonna get me put on ignore by most everyone .
YOU watch how people answer you .
DO THEY they often bring cut copy and pastes and THEN A MANS INTERPREATION .
cause that be all i seem to be seeing from a lot . ITS LIKE they DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE THEMSELVES .
ALL THEY KNOW is how MEN taught them the bible .
THEY can cut , they can copy , and they can paste , and always YOU GONNA SEE SOME mans name on it
some leaders name . WHAT THEY CANT DO , is seem to bring you just scrips and actually talk with you .
IF you ask questiosn , THEY RUN TO screens , to google , to their already prepared cheat sheets of their leaders
and their web sites . THEY SURE DONT SEEM TO KNOW the BIBLE . they seem to know
PRE PROGAMMED responses of men . THAT IS WHAT I NOTICE SISTER .
 

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Johann what i am about to say is to HELP you .
I have glanced at your responses to some people . On many threads .
You bring these cut and copy posts , with just a place to find certain scrips
MOST FOLKS aint gonna bother to read it johann . You gonna have to dig down
and start actually talking TO THEM . you let GOD give YOU the WORDS to tell them .
NOW do BRING SCRIPS too . But you bring a lot of cut copy and past and sites and etc .and they aint gonna bother with it .
TALK to them johann . LET the LORD give you the Words .
Cause most folks aint gonna read it johann . i am just trying to help you my friend .
 

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Johann , i want you to honestly do something .
Please just do it .
You begin fresh in just the scriptures for yourself . just read them .
Also when you go to try and debate or to help someone
dont just cut copy and paste . Talk to them and quoate the actual scrips too .
 

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I don't know what all this is pertaining to, but while a forum is not "a" church, wherever you have believers it is "the church" in a more general sense. Each one may bring either what they receive from the Lord to bring and/or just to discuss and converse about things of God. In this way I even believe a forum more resembles a true ekklesia to some extent.....where it says when you come together every one of you hath a word, a revelation, a prophecy etc. I'd say there is more building up of the Body and growing in this format than in the vast majority of churches run by one man. It is supposed to be "the body building itself up in love" as it is being led by the Head of it, not just one man trying to build it up by himself being only one member/part, while he himself is not being built up by the rest of the Body who sit passively in pews saying and doing nothing. And the word of God is not confined to special buildings or formal gatherings, surely.
Whether in a house a hill , a forum , a building . the church IS THE PEOPLE . you spot on right sister .
The hill , the house , the boat , the forum , the etc , THAT IS JUST A PLACE .
YOU are spot on right sister .
 
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I don't know what all this is pertaining to, but while a forum is not "a" church, wherever you have believers it is "the church" in a more general sense. Each one may bring either what they receive from the Lord to bring and/or just to discuss and converse about things of God. In this way I even believe a forum more resembles a true ekklesia to some extent.....where it says when you come together every one of you hath a word, a revelation, a prophecy etc. I'd say there is more building up of the Body and growing in this format than in the vast majority of churches run by one man. It is supposed to be "the body building itself up in love" as it is being led by the Head of it, not just one man trying to build it up by himself being only one member/part, while he himself is not being built up by the rest of the Body who sit passively in pews saying and doing nothing. And the word of God is not confined to special buildings or formal gatherings, surely.
JESUS taught on a hill , in a boat , in the temple , in a house , on the street .
WHERE the peoples were . and Those who sat under him , THEY HIS . WE THE CHURCH SISTER .
its not the place , its the people .
YOU are RIGHT ON SISTER . too many try and say KEEP CHURCH IN THE CHURCH .
I DO . The thing is the church can be anywhere the people are .....................
TO THE TRENCHES , no man gonna silence the truth . They might kill us , but they cannot silence the truth .
If a lamb goes down in glory , if another man kills that lamb , The TRUTH that lamb did speak
WILL GO ON , GOD always has him SHEEP who do speak truth . THEY cant STOP IT SISTER . they can try
and they can kill , BUT THEY CANNOT STOP THE TRUTH . they can kill the messengers who bring truth
but they cannot KILL THE TRUTH . and wherever a lamb goes , you can bet truth is with it and shall keep it
and guide it . THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH , as EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH , AS JESUS IS TRUTH .
them hirelings and they sold out fake scholars i do not heed . THE GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS SPIRIT
and that bible shall be my meat . MY mind was LONG ago made ready by the LORD .
I am fully persauded and onward in my mission i do go . no matter the cost to me . ITS THE SOULS i love
it dont matter what happens to me sister . . THE ONLY thing that matters to me is SAVED SOULS
and a fat healthy church . DOCTRINE MATTERS sister .
 
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I don't know what all this is pertaining to, but while a forum is not "a" church, wherever you have believers it is "the church" in a more general sense. Each one may bring either what they receive from the Lord to bring and/or just to discuss and converse about things of God. In this way I even believe a forum more resembles a true ekklesia to some extent.....where it says when you come together every one of you hath a word, a revelation, a prophecy etc. I'd say there is more building up of the Body and growing in this format than in the vast majority of churches run by one man. It is supposed to be "the body building itself up in love" as it is being led by the Head of it, not just one man trying to build it up by himself being only one member/part, while he himself is not being built up by the rest of the Body who sit passively in pews saying and doing nothing. And the word of God is not confined to special buildings or formal gatherings, surely.
IT some have not tried to already , they will sister . men will come behind the scenes
to try and turn your mind against me and others .
WHEN or if they do , YOU SAY THIS , WELL LETS JUST BRING THIS TO HIM , LETS ALL DISCUSS IT together .
 
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If you wanna know if someone knows the bible . first off we ourselves need to have been in the bible for ourselves .
Now i am about to tell you something that is probably gonna get me put on ignore by most everyone .
YOU watch how people answer you .
DO THEY they often bring cut copy and pastes and THEN A MANS INTERPREATION .
cause that be all i seem to be seeing from a lot . ITS LIKE they DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE THEMSELVES .
ALL THEY KNOW is how MEN taught them the bible .
THEY can cut , they can copy , and they can paste , and always YOU GONNA SEE SOME mans name on it
some leaders name . WHAT THEY CANT DO , is seem to bring you just scrips and actually talk with you .
IF you ask questiosn , THEY RUN TO screens , to google , to their already prepared cheat sheets of their leaders
and their web sites . THEY SURE DONT SEEM TO KNOW the BIBLE . they seem to know
PRE PROGAMMED responses of men . THAT IS WHAT I NOTICE SISTER .
Don't be a hypocrite @amigo de christo since we all know who you are referring to.

Discernment out the back door and you haven't answer any of my questions.
I don't know who you are and what your vocation is-but I have this "check" in my spirit telling me to stay the heck away from you and your comrades.


HUMAN SPEECH

I. OPENING THOUGHTS FROM PROVERBS

A. Language is part of the image of God in mankind (i.e., creation is spoken into existence and God talks to His human creation). It is a vital part of our personhood.

B. Human speech enables us to communicate to others how we feel about life. Therefore, it reveals who we really are (Pro. 18:2; 4:23,20-27). Speech is the acid test of the person (Pro. 23:7).

C. We are social creatures. We are concerned with acceptance and affirmation. We need it from God and from our fellow humans. Words have the power to meet these needs in both positive (Pro. 17:10) and negative (Pro. 12:18) ways.

D. There is tremendous power in human speech (Pro. 18:20-21)—power to bless and heal (Pro. 10:11,21) and power to curse and destroy (Pro. 11:9).

E. We reap what we sow in this area (Pro. 12:14).

II. PRINCIPLES FROM PROVERBS

A. The negative and destructive potential of human speech

1. the words of evil men (1:11-19; 10:6; 11:9,11; 12:2-6)

2. the words of the adulteress (5:2-5; 6:24-35; 7:5ff; 9:13-18; 22:14)

3. the words of the liar (6:12-15,19; 10:18; 12:17-19,22; 14:5,25; 17:4; 19:5,9,28; 21:28; 24:28; 25:18; 26:23-28)

4. the words of the fool (10:10,14; 14:3; 15:14; 18:6-8)

5. the words of false witnesses (6:19; 12:17; 19:5,9,28; 21:28; 24:28; 25:18)

6. the words of a gossip (6:14,19; 11:13; 16:27-28; 20:19; 25:23; 26:20)

7. the words too quickly spoken (6:1-5; 12:18; 20:25; 29:20)


8. the words of flattery (29:5)

9. too many words (10:14,19,23; 11:13; 13:3,16; 14:23; 15:2; 17:27-28; 18:2; 21:23; 29:20)

10. perverted words (17:20; 19:1)

B. the positive, healing and edifying potential of human speech

1. the words of the righteous (10:11,20-21,31-32; 12:14; 13:2; 15:23; 16:13; 18:20)

2. the words of the discerning (10:13; 11:12)

3. the words of knowledge (15:1,4,7,8; 20:15)

4. the words of healing (15:4)

5. the words of a gentle answer (15:1,4,18,23; 16:1; 25:15)

6. the words of a pleasant answer (12:25; 15:26,30; 16:24)

7. the words of the law (22:17-21)

III. THE OT PATTERN CONTINUES IN THE NT

A. Human speech enables us to communicate to others how we feel about life; therefore, it reveals who we really are (Matt. 12:33-37; 15:1-20; Mark 7:2-23).

B. We are social creatures. We are concerned with acceptance and affirmation. We need it from God and from our fellow man. Words have the power to meet these needs in both positive (2 Tim. 3:15-17) and negative (James 3:2-12) ways.

C. There is tremendous power in human speech; power to bless (Eph. 4:29) and power to curse (James 3:9). We are responsible for what we say (Matt. 12:36-37; James 3:2-12).

D. We will be judged by our words (Matt. 12:33-37; Luke 6:39-45) as well as our deeds (Matt. 25:31-46). We reap what we sow (Gal. 6:7).
Utley.

Characteristics of a Hypocrite in Biblical Language:
Outward Display without Inner Transformation: A hypocrite presents themselves as devout or righteous outwardly, while their inner life remains untransformed by true faith or repentance. They follow religious rituals but lack the internal qualities of humility, justice, and love for God.

Self-Righteousness: Biblical hypocrites are often those who elevate their own moral standing while judging others. This is evident in Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14, where the Pharisee exalts himself for his religious deeds but fails to see his own spiritual poverty.

Deception and Pretense: Hypocrisy involves pretending to be something one is not. A hypocrite deceives others by projecting an image of holiness or virtue while harboring sin or selfish motives. This pretense is what makes hypocrisy especially harmful, as it can lead others astray or cause them to stumble in their own faith.

Seeking Approval from Men Rather Than God: Hypocrites are primarily concerned with how they are perceived by others rather than being genuinely pleasing to God. Jesus repeatedly condemned the Pharisees for doing their religious works "to be seen by men" (Matthew 23:5).

Neglecting the Weightier Matters of the Law: Hypocrites tend to focus on minor religious details, while neglecting more important moral obligations, such as justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23). Their focus is on external compliance with rules rather than inner obedience to God’s heart.
Utley.


You have a blessed day and work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling-accuser of the brethren.

J.
 

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This is not a Church-this is online Internet with over 32'000 different denomination. You have your work cut out for you

True-however this here is not a "church"

Agree-however this is not a Church-this is an online Forum.

Agree-however this is not a ekklesia-
Eph 6:11 You must put on God's full armor, so as to be able to stand up against the devil's stratagems.
Eph 6:12 For our contest is not with human foes alone, but with the rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of this dark world; that is, with the spirit-forces of evil challenging us in the heavenly contest.
Eph 6:13 So you must take on God's full armor, so as to be able to take a stand in the day when evil attacks you, and, after having completely finished the contest, to hold your own.
Eph 6:14 Hold your position, then, with your waist encircled with the belt of truth, put on right-doing as a coat of mail,
Eph 6:15 and put on your feet the preparation the good news of peace supplies.
Eph 6:16 Besides all these, take on the shield which faith provides, for with it you will be able to put out all the fire-tipped arrows shot by the evil one,
Eph 6:17 take the helmet salvation provides, and take the sword the Spirit wields, which is the word of God.
Eph 6:18 Keep on praying in the Spirit, with every kind of prayer and entreaty, at every opportunity, be ever on the alert with perfect devotion and entreaty for all God's people,
Eph 6:19 and for me that a message may be given me when I open my lips, so that I may boldly make known the open secret of the good news,
Eph 6:20 for the sake of which I am an envoy in prison: so that, when I tell it, I may speak as courageously as I ought.
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Qualifications for Elders
Tit 1:5 I left you in Crete for this express purpose, to set in order the things that are lacking, and to appoint elders in each town, as I directed you --
Tit 1:6 each elder must be above reproach, have only one wife, and his children must not be liable to the charge of profligacy or disobedience.
Tit 1:7 For as God's trustee a pastor must be above reproach, not stubborn or quick-tempered or addicted to strong drink or pugnacious or addicted to dishonest gain,
Tit 1:8 but hospitable, a lover of goodness, sensible, upright, of pure life, self-controlled,
Tit 1:9 and a man who continues to cling to the trustworthy message as he was taught it, so that he may be competent to encourage others with wholesome teaching and to convict those who oppose him.
Tit 1:10 For there are many insubordinate people, mere talkers with nothing to say, but deceivers of their own minds, especially those of the circumcision party,
Tit 1:11 whose mouths must be stopped, for they upset whole families by teaching things they ought not to think, for the sake of dishonest gain.
Tit 1:12 One of them, a prophet of their own countrymen, has said, "Cretans are always liars, wicked brutes, lazy bellies."
Tit 1:13 Now this tendency is true. So continue correcting them severely, that they may be healthy in faith,
Tit 1:14 by ceasing to give attention to Jewish myths and to the commands of men who turn their backs on the truth.

Tit 1:15 To the pure everything is pure, but to the impure and unbelieving nothing is pure, but their very minds and consciences are impure.
Tit 1:16 They profess to know God, but by their actions they disown Him; they are detestable, disobedient, and useless for anything good.

Your verse you use frequently-out of context may I add.

False teachers and cult groups can be quickly identified by three characteristics.

1. exploitation of money

2. exploitation of sexual freedom

3. a claim to unique and direct revelation

If your religious leaders want your money, your wife, and claim God told them — run!

1:12 "One of themselves a prophet" Epimenides lived in the sixth century b.c. and was from Crete. The fact that Paul quotes one of their poets shows the Greek influence on this island and in the heresy. Paul quotes from Greek philosophers and poets at least three times in his writings (cf. Acts 17:28; 1 Cor. 15:13; Titus 1:12). His home town of Tarsus was known for its educational institutions. Paul was highly educated in both Greek and Hebrew culture.

Paul may have called Epimenides a prophet because he wrote truly about the inhabitants of Crete or possibly because the Cretans considered him a speaker inspired by the Greek gods. He was known as one of the wisest men of Crete.

"Cretans are always liars" This is in hexameter poetic form. The Cretans believed and bragged that Zeus was buried on their island. The term "cretinous" meant "a liar." In this context this characterization seems to relate to the false teachers, not the churches or the general public.

"lazy gluttons" The basic meaning of the phrase is greed (cf. Phil. 3:19).

1:13 "reprove them severely" This literally means "cut off with a knife." This is a present active imperative. This strong term is used only here in the NT. Additional admonitions to strongly rebuke can be seen in 1 Tim. 5:25; 2 Tim. 4:2; Titus 2:15.

See-I'm giving you ammunition!

"so that they may be sound in the faith" This shows that discipline is to be redemptive, not punitive (cf. 1 Cor. 5:5; Heb. 12:5-13). The pronouns in Titus 1:13 refer to the false teachers (cf. 2 Tim. 2:25-26).

The term "sound" is a recurrent theme in the Pastoral Letters, which refers to something being healthy (cf. 1 Tim. 1:10; 2 Tim. 1:13; 4:3; Titus 1:9,13; 2:1,2,8).

1:14 "Jewish myths" These myths may be connected to Jewish speculation about the genealogy of the Messiah (cf. Titus 3:9; 1 Tim. 1:4; 2 Tim. 4:4). For a good discussion of the differing connotations of "myth" see G. B. Caird, The Language and Imagery of the Bible, pp. 219-242.

"and commandments of men" This, in context, seems to refer to the Oral Tradition of the Jews, later codified in the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds (cf. Isa. 29:13; Mark 7:7-8; Col. 2:16-23).

"who turn away from the truth" This is a present middle participle. These false teachers continue to turn away from the gospel. See Special Topic: Truth at 1 Tim. 2:4.

1:15 "To the pure, all things are pure" "Everything" is put first in the Greek sentence for emphasis. This truth is hard for some believers to understand (cf. 1 Tim. 4:4; Mark 7:15-23; Luke 11:41; Rom. 14:14,20; 1 Cor. 10:23-33)! This possibly relates to asceticism so common in Greek religious philosophical traditions (cf. 1 Tim. 4:3; Col. 2:20-22). Legalistic Christians often lose the biblical balance at this very point (cf. Rom. 14:1-15:13)!

"but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure" The first cognate verbal is a perfect passive participle and the second is a perfect passive indicative, which speaks of a settled state produced by an outside agent, here possibly the evil one. This type of person twists everything and everyone for personal interest (ex. Acts 20:29).


1:16 "They profess to know God" "God" is placed first in the Greek sentence for emphasis. These false teachers claim to be religious! They claim godliness based on human regulations (cf. Isa. 29:13; Col. 2:16-23), but in reality, they are defiled. Some see this as another evidence of the Jewish element of the heresy because of the term "God" rather than Christ. For "profess" see SPECIAL TOPIC: CONFESSION at 1 Tim. 6:12.

"but by their deeds they deny Him" This is a present middle indicative. Believers' lifestyle choices give evidence of their true conversion (cf. Matt. 7:16,20; 1 John and James).

"detestable" This is a term used often in the Septuagint translated "abominable" (cf. Rev. 17:4) and is often associated with idolatry. It literally means "smelly" (cf. Rev. 21:8).
"and disobedient and worthless for any good deed" What a shocking phrase (cf. 1 Cor. 3:10-15; 2 Pet. 1:8-11)!

The word "disobedient" is also used in Titus 3:3 to describe how believers lived before the grace of God/Christ changed them (3:4)!

The word "worthless" literally means "failure to pass the test" (dokimos with the alpha privative, cf. 1 Cor. 9:27; 2 Tim. 3:8). See Special Topic: The Greek Term for "Testing" at 1 Tim. 6:9.


You have a blessed day-I don't want to be online all the time.
J.
The place is but a place . a house is but a house , a building but a building .
The site goes by the name CHRISTAIN . thus its open to all correction and edification .
The ekkclesia is not a place . ITS A PEOPLE johann . who can gather on a hill , a building , a street
a boat , a moutain . i dont just follow CHRIST in a building or keep him in a building . HIMS Gonna be
as well as all sound doctrine gonna be continual in my heart and out of my lips or in this case fingers .
THERE are many who CLIAM to beleive . THUS since they claim to beleive they shall be treated
as beleivers . GUESS what , BELEIVERS GET CORRECTED . So lets march onwards in the LORD .
I hope that encourged you big time my friend .
 
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Don't be a hypocrite @amigo de christo since we all know who you are referring to.

Discernment out the back door and you haven't answer any of my questions.
I don't know who you are and what your vocation is-but I have this "check" in my spirit telling me to stay the heck away from you and your comrades.


HUMAN SPEECH

I. OPENING THOUGHTS FROM PROVERBS

A. Language is part of the image of God in mankind (i.e., creation is spoken into existence and God talks to His human creation). It is a vital part of our personhood.

B. Human speech enables us to communicate to others how we feel about life. Therefore, it reveals who we really are (Pro. 18:2; 4:23,20-27). Speech is the acid test of the person (Pro. 23:7).

C. We are social creatures. We are concerned with acceptance and affirmation. We need it from God and from our fellow humans. Words have the power to meet these needs in both positive (Pro. 17:10) and negative (Pro. 12:18) ways.

D. There is tremendous power in human speech (Pro. 18:20-21)—power to bless and heal (Pro. 10:11,21) and power to curse and destroy (Pro. 11:9).

E. We reap what we sow in this area (Pro. 12:14).

II. PRINCIPLES FROM PROVERBS

A. The negative and destructive potential of human speech

1. the words of evil men (1:11-19; 10:6; 11:9,11; 12:2-6)

2. the words of the adulteress (5:2-5; 6:24-35; 7:5ff; 9:13-18; 22:14)

3. the words of the liar (6:12-15,19; 10:18; 12:17-19,22; 14:5,25; 17:4; 19:5,9,28; 21:28; 24:28; 25:18; 26:23-28)

4. the words of the fool (10:10,14; 14:3; 15:14; 18:6-8)

5. the words of false witnesses (6:19; 12:17; 19:5,9,28; 21:28; 24:28; 25:18)

6. the words of a gossip (6:14,19; 11:13; 16:27-28; 20:19; 25:23; 26:20)

7. the words too quickly spoken (6:1-5; 12:18; 20:25; 29:20)


8. the words of flattery (29:5)

9. too many words (10:14,19,23; 11:13; 13:3,16; 14:23; 15:2; 17:27-28; 18:2; 21:23; 29:20)

10. perverted words (17:20; 19:1)

B. the positive, healing and edifying potential of human speech

1. the words of the righteous (10:11,20-21,31-32; 12:14; 13:2; 15:23; 16:13; 18:20)

2. the words of the discerning (10:13; 11:12)

3. the words of knowledge (15:1,4,7,8; 20:15)

4. the words of healing (15:4)

5. the words of a gentle answer (15:1,4,18,23; 16:1; 25:15)

6. the words of a pleasant answer (12:25; 15:26,30; 16:24)

7. the words of the law (22:17-21)

III. THE OT PATTERN CONTINUES IN THE NT

A. Human speech enables us to communicate to others how we feel about life; therefore, it reveals who we really are (Matt. 12:33-37; 15:1-20; Mark 7:2-23).

B. We are social creatures. We are concerned with acceptance and affirmation. We need it from God and from our fellow man. Words have the power to meet these needs in both positive (2 Tim. 3:15-17) and negative (James 3:2-12) ways.

C. There is tremendous power in human speech; power to bless (Eph. 4:29) and power to curse (James 3:9). We are responsible for what we say (Matt. 12:36-37; James 3:2-12).

D. We will be judged by our words (Matt. 12:33-37; Luke 6:39-45) as well as our deeds (Matt. 25:31-46). We reap what we sow (Gal. 6:7).
Utley.

Characteristics of a Hypocrite in Biblical Language:
Outward Display without Inner Transformation: A hypocrite presents themselves as devout or righteous outwardly, while their inner life remains untransformed by true faith or repentance. They follow religious rituals but lack the internal qualities of humility, justice, and love for God.

Self-Righteousness: Biblical hypocrites are often those who elevate their own moral standing while judging others. This is evident in Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14, where the Pharisee exalts himself for his religious deeds but fails to see his own spiritual poverty.

Deception and Pretense: Hypocrisy involves pretending to be something one is not. A hypocrite deceives others by projecting an image of holiness or virtue while harboring sin or selfish motives. This pretense is what makes hypocrisy especially harmful, as it can lead others astray or cause them to stumble in their own faith.

Seeking Approval from Men Rather Than God: Hypocrites are primarily concerned with how they are perceived by others rather than being genuinely pleasing to God. Jesus repeatedly condemned the Pharisees for doing their religious works "to be seen by men" (Matthew 23:5).

Neglecting the Weightier Matters of the Law: Hypocrites tend to focus on minor religious details, while neglecting more important moral obligations, such as justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23). Their focus is on external compliance with rules rather than inner obedience to God’s heart.
Utley.


You have a blessed day and work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling-accuser of the brethren.

J.
not all who cut copy and paste are false johann . yet many are false .
I was not accusing you of being false . I was just making a point .
IF you want to really help folks then i suggest you start talking more with them . LET GOD give you the words
and yes , by all means DO bring scrips too . But there is no need to run to cut copy and paste
every time a question is asked . you never once answered me when i asked you to show me my error
in what i said . YOU just cut copy and pasted . NOW was i wrong or was i right .
Talk to me johann . IF you want to show someone their error its quite easy to do so my friend .
I am not saying or implying YOU to be false . I am trying to HELP YOU .
 
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not all who cut copy and paste are false johann . yet many are false .
I was not accusing you of being false . I was just making a point .
IF you want to really help folks then i suggest you start talking more with them . LET GOD give you the words
and yes , by all means DO bring scrips too . But there is no need to run to cut copy and paste
every time a question is asked . you never once answered me when i asked you to show me my error
in what i said . YOU just cut copy and pasted . NOW was i wrong or was i right .
Talk to me johann . IF you want to show someone their error its quite easy to do so my friend .
I am not saying or implying YOU to be false . I am trying to HELP YOU .
This is my Sunday and I am peaceful-go scratch another's back and surround yourself with comrades within your clique.
 

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Agree that justification is by faith and that righteousness is imputed to us. Tried so hard to get that across to that one who talks about a "higher walk". But also after coming to faith, which was a free gift apart from works, I believe there needs to be a balance because in James it says faith being alone without works is dead, and that we are justified by faith and works, etc.

But there is a difference between condemnation and conviction. We need to allow God room to bring His conviction, where that is needed. Because condemnation kills....it doesn't bring the life and grace that we need to overcome if we are stuck in the mire in some way. People often need ministering to rather than being beaten up with scripture. But I think we must allow that different people have different graces and gifts, some are graced to give pastoral care, others are prophets, etc. And that is why we are not to be depending on (or elevating) one member/part in the Body of Christ. In my experience true conviction of the Holy Spirit brings Godly sorrow, not condemnation, as long as we aren't resisting Him. It brings us closer to God whereas condemnation drives us away from Him, which is why it kills.
 

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Don't be a hypocrite @amigo de christo since we all know who you are referring to.

Discernment out the back door and you haven't answer any of my questions.
I don't know who you are and what your vocation is-but I have this "check" in my spirit telling me to stay the heck away from you and your comrades.


HUMAN SPEECH

I. OPENING THOUGHTS FROM PROVERBS

A. Language is part of the image of God in mankind (i.e., creation is spoken into existence and God talks to His human creation). It is a vital part of our personhood.

B. Human speech enables us to communicate to others how we feel about life. Therefore, it reveals who we really are (Pro. 18:2; 4:23,20-27). Speech is the acid test of the person (Pro. 23:7).

C. We are social creatures. We are concerned with acceptance and affirmation. We need it from God and from our fellow humans. Words have the power to meet these needs in both positive (Pro. 17:10) and negative (Pro. 12:18) ways.

D. There is tremendous power in human speech (Pro. 18:20-21)—power to bless and heal (Pro. 10:11,21) and power to curse and destroy (Pro. 11:9).

E. We reap what we sow in this area (Pro. 12:14).

II. PRINCIPLES FROM PROVERBS

A. The negative and destructive potential of human speech

1. the words of evil men (1:11-19; 10:6; 11:9,11; 12:2-6)

2. the words of the adulteress (5:2-5; 6:24-35; 7:5ff; 9:13-18; 22:14)

3. the words of the liar (6:12-15,19; 10:18; 12:17-19,22; 14:5,25; 17:4; 19:5,9,28; 21:28; 24:28; 25:18; 26:23-28)

4. the words of the fool (10:10,14; 14:3; 15:14; 18:6-8)

5. the words of false witnesses (6:19; 12:17; 19:5,9,28; 21:28; 24:28; 25:18)

6. the words of a gossip (6:14,19; 11:13; 16:27-28; 20:19; 25:23; 26:20)

7. the words too quickly spoken (6:1-5; 12:18; 20:25; 29:20)


8. the words of flattery (29:5)

9. too many words (10:14,19,23; 11:13; 13:3,16; 14:23; 15:2; 17:27-28; 18:2; 21:23; 29:20)

10. perverted words (17:20; 19:1)

B. the positive, healing and edifying potential of human speech

1. the words of the righteous (10:11,20-21,31-32; 12:14; 13:2; 15:23; 16:13; 18:20)

2. the words of the discerning (10:13; 11:12)

3. the words of knowledge (15:1,4,7,8; 20:15)

4. the words of healing (15:4)

5. the words of a gentle answer (15:1,4,18,23; 16:1; 25:15)

6. the words of a pleasant answer (12:25; 15:26,30; 16:24)

7. the words of the law (22:17-21)

III. THE OT PATTERN CONTINUES IN THE NT

A. Human speech enables us to communicate to others how we feel about life; therefore, it reveals who we really are (Matt. 12:33-37; 15:1-20; Mark 7:2-23).

B. We are social creatures. We are concerned with acceptance and affirmation. We need it from God and from our fellow man. Words have the power to meet these needs in both positive (2 Tim. 3:15-17) and negative (James 3:2-12) ways.

C. There is tremendous power in human speech; power to bless (Eph. 4:29) and power to curse (James 3:9). We are responsible for what we say (Matt. 12:36-37; James 3:2-12).

D. We will be judged by our words (Matt. 12:33-37; Luke 6:39-45) as well as our deeds (Matt. 25:31-46). We reap what we sow (Gal. 6:7).
Utley.

Characteristics of a Hypocrite in Biblical Language:
Outward Display without Inner Transformation: A hypocrite presents themselves as devout or righteous outwardly, while their inner life remains untransformed by true faith or repentance. They follow religious rituals but lack the internal qualities of humility, justice, and love for God.

Self-Righteousness: Biblical hypocrites are often those who elevate their own moral standing while judging others. This is evident in Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14, where the Pharisee exalts himself for his religious deeds but fails to see his own spiritual poverty.

Deception and Pretense: Hypocrisy involves pretending to be something one is not. A hypocrite deceives others by projecting an image of holiness or virtue while harboring sin or selfish motives. This pretense is what makes hypocrisy especially harmful, as it can lead others astray or cause them to stumble in their own faith.

Seeking Approval from Men Rather Than God: Hypocrites are primarily concerned with how they are perceived by others rather than being genuinely pleasing to God. Jesus repeatedly condemned the Pharisees for doing their religious works "to be seen by men" (Matthew 23:5).

Neglecting the Weightier Matters of the Law: Hypocrites tend to focus on minor religious details, while neglecting more important moral obligations, such as justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23). Their focus is on external compliance with rules rather than inner obedience to God’s heart.
Utley.


You have a blessed day and work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling-accuser of the brethren.

J.
That is some strong rhetoric there brother. I'm not sure exactly where the point of contention is with you two. Does it have to do with "balance"? Was my post on the right track, if anyone read it (#435, p. 22)....I find it hard to convey the idea of balance with the right balance, ironically. It's an area of difficulty with me.
 

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Johann what i am about to say is to HELP you .
I have glanced at your responses to some people . On many threads .
You bring these cut and copy posts , with just a place to find certain scrips
MOST FOLKS aint gonna bother to read it johann . You gonna have to dig down
and start actually talking TO THEM . you let GOD give YOU the WORDS to tell them .
NOW do BRING SCRIPS too . But you bring a lot of cut copy and past and sites and etc .and they aint gonna bother with it .
TALK to them johann . LET the LORD give you the Words .
Cause most folks aint gonna read it johann . i am just trying to help you my friend .
People tend to shy away from reading anything too lengthy on forums. (And for me I have problems concentrating these days.) But I believe we need to recognize and allow that different people have different areas of graces and gifts, brother.
 

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IT some have not tried to already , they will sister . men will come behind the scenes
to try and turn your mind against me and others .
WHEN or if they do , YOU SAY THIS , WELL LETS JUST BRING THIS TO HIM , LETS ALL DISCUSS IT together .
Nobody has come to me behind the scenes, so rest your mind on that score.
 
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That is some strong rhetoric there brother. I'm not sure exactly where the point of contention is with you two. Does it have to do with "balance"? Was my post on the right track, if anyone read it (#435, p. 22)....I find it hard to convey the idea of balance with the right balance, ironically. It's an area of difficulty with me.
If you don't mind, this is my Sunday and don't want to get dragged in here.
Thanks
J.