Leaders That Don't Support Good Works or Overcoming Sin

[Johann]

thats not gonna help my friend . remember when you said you might be being misunderstood .
You also might seem to be misunderstanding that sister .
I have known her a long time . I think it better if we slow down and start asking questions
so as this can more easily be cleared up my friend .

Yeah-you're right-deleted it.

 

[Episkopos]

--and I have no interest in Epi and his modern gospel--which reminds me, time for my workout, squats and hamstring.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor. 5;17

 

[Johann]

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor. 5;17

Nothing wrong with this verse-and yes, ALL things are become new.

Therefore ὥστε if εἴ anyone τις [is] in ἐν Christ, Χριστῷ, [he is] a new καινὴ creation. κτίσις· The τὰ old ἀρχαῖα has passed away. παρῆλθεν, Behold, ἰδοὺ [the] new καινά. has come! γέγονεν


2Co 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come.
2Co 5:18 And all these things are from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ, and who has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Therefore we are ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as if [*Here “if ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“were imploring”) which is understood as conditional] God were imploring you through us. We beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 He made the one who did not know sin to be sin on our behalf, in order that we could become the righteousness of God in him.

A new creature (kainē ktisis). A fresh start is made (kainē). Ktisis is the old word for the act of creating (Rom_1:20), but in N.T. by metonymy it usually bears the notion of ktisma, the thing created or creature as here.
The old things are passed away (ta archaia parēlthen). Did pass by, he means. Second aorist active of parerchomai, to go by. The ancient (archaia) way of looking at Christ among other things. And yet today there are scholars who are trying to revive the old prejudiced view of Jesus Christ as a mere man, a prophet, to give us “a reduced Christ.” That was once Paul’s view, but it passed by forever for him. It is a false view and leaves us no gospel and no Saviour.
Behold, they are become new (idou, gegone kaina). Perfect active indicative of ginomai, have become new (fresh, kaina) to stay so.
RWP

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[Marvelloustime]

There are some here amongst us preaching a very deadly false gospel .
and me thinks we both know who that is ......
That gospel must be stopped , conforted and even ended so as it wont grow and leaven up the place .
Number one reminder is , if any comes and preaches any other gospel than the one we recieved
DONT HEED , EXPOSE , let them even be accursed , seperated out .
OR as john once wrote , if any comes and brings NOT this gospel
WELL DONT EVEN BID them god speed . I Sees me another gospel getting shoveled out
and believe you me , ITS GONNA GET Exposed and fast . that man is very dangerous indeed .

 

[Wynona]

Have enjoyed the mix of posts lately on this thread.

I want to give credit to where credit is due for some of the leaders and big names that influenced me as a teenager.

The late Dr. Tim Keller's apologetics really helped me arrive at a Christian worldview.

Paul Washer's messages brought conviction and clarity on dating and marriage.

Mark Driscoll has said things I still bring up to this day, especially on the topic of biblical marriage.

Francis Chan is the reason I donate new items to charity and not old unwanted things.

John Piper has a strong view of marriage too. And he obviously inspires a lot of people and takes that seriously.

I had a lot of frustration with all kinds of personal church experiences and big name preachers when I began reading Scripture for myself. I don't want that frustration to color my tone forever. We must all do our best on the narrow path and I don't need to assume most professing Christians aren't trying to do that.

 

[marks]

Anybody can copy-paste bible verses...and then draw astoundingly silly conclusions.

Yes, there are a great many astounding silly conclusions presented, even right here on this forum! Even from those who should by now understand better. But they don't, and you can tell in their actions, their words. They Always always reveal themselves in their words. They cannot help it. lacking power and discipline. Always!

Just like Jesus said.

Much love!

 

[marks]

First of all, He said that to His disciples and only to us indirectly, if at all. He is speaking to the first-century church,

Yes, exactly true! Jesus also told them,

John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

He said this to these men alone.

Much love!

 

[marks]

And I don't think there is much chance that people who have adopted a gospel based on self-interest are going to all of a sudden be motivated to surrender to Christ.

As we've seen people who have become filled with themselves don't seem to easily or quickly change. But God is able to do anything, just humble yourself before Him.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, exactly true! Jesus also told them,

John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

He said this to these men alone.

Much love!

I have a trivia question mark . a test question .
If a group of satanist asked you to come and join hands with them as they prayed
to their god , WOULD YOU DO IT .
exactly . NO . cause the god they pray to IS NOT OUR GOD .
We would not join hands with known satanists and pray together for a common cause .
I mean may as well ask satan to join us for same cause cause that is who they pray too .
SO , so why on earth are christains now joining with FALSE RELIGOINS
who DO NOT SERVE GOD but rather satan for a cause . SEE the POINT .
GOD is very angry at this . VERY . so i suggest any one who names the name of JESUS THE CHRIST
depart from that INQUITY .
PRAY FOR THEM to repent and believe , NOT WITH THEM for a common cause .
cause they god aint OUR GOD . and with this GOD IS NOT WELL pleased .

 

[amigo de christo]

Have enjoyed the mix of posts lately on this thread.

I want to give credit to where credit is due for some of the leaders and big names that influenced me as a teenager.

The late Dr. Tim Keller's apologetics really helped me arrive at a Christian worldview.

Paul Washer's messages brought conviction and clarity on dating and marriage.

Mark Driscoll has said things I still bring up to this day, especially on the topic of biblical marriage.

Francis Chan is the reason I donate new items to charity and not old unwanted things.

John Piper has a strong view of marriage too. And he obviously inspires a lot of people and takes that seriously.

I had a lot of frustration with all kinds of personal church experiences and big name preachers when I began reading Scripture for myself. I don't want that frustration to color my tone forever. We must all do our best on the narrow path and I don't need to assume most professing Christians aren't trying to do that.

IF i didnt love ya i would not warn you .
but see the last three names on that list . FLEE such men and never look back .
Its true that even false men can say certain truths , but to heed such WE MUST NOT . TO follow such we must not .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now , THE TIME ON DECK IS as FOLLOWS
LORD PRAISING and THANKING time my friends .
So hands up , praises out and let the thanksgiving to the LORD begin my friends .

 

[amigo de christo]

No false prophet or man will lie one hundred percent of the time .
No false leader will lie one hundred percent of the time .
THEY have truths too , but watch out and beware them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Nothing wrong with this verse-and yes, ALL things are become new.

Therefore ὥστε if εἴ anyone τις [is] in ἐν Christ, Χριστῷ, [he is] a new καινὴ creation. κτίσις· The τὰ old ἀρχαῖα has passed away. παρῆλθεν, Behold, ἰδοὺ [the] new καινά. has come! γέγονεν


2Co 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come.
2Co 5:18 And all these things are from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ, and who has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Therefore we are ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as if [*Here “if ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“were imploring”) which is understood as conditional] God were imploring you through us. We beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 He made the one who did not know sin to be sin on our behalf, in order that we could become the righteousness of God in him.

A new creature (kainē ktisis). A fresh start is made (kainē). Ktisis is the old word for the act of creating (Rom_1:20), but in N.T. by metonymy it usually bears the notion of ktisma, the thing created or creature as here.
The old things are passed away (ta archaia parēlthen). Did pass by, he means. Second aorist active of parerchomai, to go by. The ancient (archaia) way of looking at Christ among other things. And yet today there are scholars who are trying to revive the old prejudiced view of Jesus Christ as a mere man, a prophet, to give us “a reduced Christ.” That was once Paul’s view, but it passed by forever for him. It is a false view and leaves us no gospel and no Saviour.
Behold, they are become new (idou, gegone kaina). Perfect active indicative of ginomai, have become new (fresh, kaina) to stay so.
RWP

Believe you will enjoy this commentary from a man I highly esteem.

Yes , if one be in Christ all things are new . But anyone IN CHRIST BELIEVES IN HIM and preaches and reminds
about the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM .
There are many who now omit the BELIEVE IN HIM part and just try and act as though these unbelievers in HIM
are somehow IN HIM . that wont bode well for them on the day of the LORD either .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, exactly true! Jesus also told them,

John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

He said this to these men alone.

Much love!

THAT is for church correction my friend . it still applies today .
They would often deliver believers in error over to correction
and when repentance was made , they were admitted back in .
Whom i have delivered unto satan that he may learn NOT to blaspheme .
The church has spiritual weapons for the good and edification of the church , for even its correction .
The problem is most folks only want to see the so called power , the SPIRIT
as a means to MAKE GAIN or etc . which again that too is bad news .

 

[marks]

I have a trivia question mark . a test question .
If a group of satanist asked you to come and join hands with them as they prayed
to their god , WOULD YOU DO IT .
exactly . NO . cause the god they pray to IS NOT OUR GOD .
We would not join hands with known satanists and pray together for a common cause .
I mean may as well ask satan to join us for same cause cause that is who they pray too .
SO , so why on earth are christains now joining with FALSE RELIGOINS
who DO NOT SERVE GOD but rather satan for a cause . SEE the POINT .
GOD is very angry at this . VERY . so i suggest any one who names the name of JESUS THE CHRIST
depart from that INQUITY .
PRAY FOR THEM to repent and believe , NOT WITH THEM for a common cause .
cause they god aint OUR GOD . and with this GOD IS NOT WELL pleased .

I'm not sure why you are asking me this, or why you were saddened by my post.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not sure why you are asking me this, or why you were saddened by my post.

Much love!

I am asking a lot of people on different sites that question .
Its just a simple question to all .
cause i am watching and have been watching this huge movement growing like a green bray tree .
and boy is it A LIE my friend . so expose it i must .
So the question is very important . cause i seem to see many now headed right in that direction
only THEY DONT realize this .

 

[marks]

THAT is for church correction my friend . it still applies today .
They would often deliver believers in error over to correction
and when repentance was made , they were admitted back in .

Maybe relook at the passage? Other places teach us about correction in the church. However, this passage is blanket authority to forgive and retain "whose soevers" sins.

Jesus said this directly after He told them that same as He was sent, He is sending them. Jesus was clear, "so you know the Son of Man has authority to forgive sins . . . and He said to the man, take up your bed and walk". Now He sends them, and gives them the same authority.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not sure why you are asking me this, or why you were saddened by my post.

Much love!

okay my friend . but lets look at my question again . it was a general question is all .
But man is it a very important reminder .

 

[Johann]

Maybe relook at the passage? Other places teach us about correction in the church. However, this passage is blanket authority to forgive and retain "whose soevers" sins.

Jesus said this directly after He told them that same as He was sent, He is sending them. Jesus was clear, "so you know the Son of Man has authority to forgive sins . . . and He said to the man, take up your bed and walk". Now He sends them, and gives them the same authority.

Much love!

JOHN—NOTE ON 20:23 See notes on Matt. 16:19 and 18:18. This verse does not
give authority to Christians to forgive sins. Jesus was saying that the believer can
boldly declare the certainty of a sinner’s forgiveness by the Father because of the
work of his Son if that sinner has repented and believed the gospel. The believer
with certainty can also tell those who do not respond to the message of God’s
forgiveness through faith in Christ that their sins, as a result, are not forgiven.

 

[marks]

JOHN—NOTE ON 20:23 See notes on Matt. 16:19 and 18:18. This verse does not
give authority to Christians to forgive sins. Jesus was saying that the believer can
boldly declare the certainty of a sinner’s forgiveness by the Father because of the
work of his Son if that sinner has repented and believed the gospel. The believer
with certainty can also tell those who do not respond to the message of God’s
forgiveness through faith in Christ that their sins, as a result, are not forgiven.

I take the passage more literally, I think, and I don't apply to more than these men.

Much love!