Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

[ScottA]

Point out using the scripture these 'lies', so we are aware, thank you

I have already.

 

[ScottA]

Am speak plain English language, is my listed many 'issues' pertaining to the New Testament are 'lies'?

No, you did not lie, but were perhaps taught a lie.

Again, point the 'lie' by scripture quotes, the 'lie' we've been taught for 2,000 years?

There are 250 posts here if you want to review them, but this should do: Post #4

 

[ScottA]

Dear true born again and disciple scripturally and witnessing readers, there's definitely something of the 'dark ages' here.

According to ScottA, being born again of the Spirit of GOD, is actually the 'rapture' and the 'Lord's return'.

Therefore, we've been believing all this while, Paul's 'lie' sent by GOD to have us 'strongly deluded' for 2,000 years.

Is this a catholic dogma, am a bit lost here, thank you?

Do not be dismayed. If I have told you that to be born again of the spirit of God is rapture--it is because, even if you have not fully grasped it--you have past from death to life.

 

[Truth7t7]

So...did you, or do you "know the day and hour" of your own salvation beforehand?

I know your answer--which does not make what I have said "false"--but you.

The day and hour no man knows is the second coming of Jesus Christ, basic Christianity 101 end of story

 

[ScottA]

The day and hour no man knows is the second coming of Jesus Christ, basic Christianity 101 end of story

Yes.

But will you now deny that after going to the father, He came [again] to you, knocking on the door (as He promised) and you answered and let Him in?

Or will you be His witness?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes.

But will you now deny that after going to the father, He came [again] to you, knocking on the door (as He promised) and you answered and let Him in?

Or will you be His witness?

No the second coming hasn't taken place as you falsely suggest above, it will be a future literal, visible, event in the heavens seen globally

Scott your symbolic, mystical, gobble goop never stops

 

[ScottA]

No the second coming hasn't taken place as you falsely suggest above, it will be a future literal, visible, event in the heavens seen globally

Scott your symbolic, mystical, gobble goop never stops

So shall it be written--as denial.

 

[Truth7t7]

So shall it be written--as denial.

So Shall It Be Written, Real Big Smiles To Scotts Mystical Gobbly Goop!

 

[Fred J]

Do not be dismayed. If I have told you that to be born again of the spirit of God is rapture--it is because, even if you have not fully grasped it--you have past from death to life.

Am not dismayed.

Allow me to clarify for you in simple.

This is the written 'grace' and 'truth'.

Born again of the Spirit of GOD, one becomes a new spirit man, and represents the Kingdom of GOD on earth.

When he dies, he's buried here on earth, and as a child of GOD, he's 'asleep' by definition.

He's to wait until he's taken home together with all the Christian saints, dead or alive on the coming day of 'rapture'.

Before ascending, dead or alive here on earth, they will leave their earthly bodies behind.

And each of them in the twinkling of an eye, will be changed into their new Heavenly body before they're taken up and home.

This is the second coming and doing of the Lord Jesus Christ. who will await them in the cloud, as they ascend to meet Him.

If this is a 'lie' we've been taught for 2,000 years according to you, apparently you're from another 'father of lies' who deceived you.

Our GOD is not an author of confusion, but of peace and spiritual prosperity, and am unworthy.

Your man made denomination is no better than the 'mormons', 'jehovah's witness', or other 'cults'.

Am only saying this 'shrewdly' in 'correction' to you, in order for you to 'repent'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[ProDeo]

All of which is indeed collateral damage of the foretold lie, which was a lie of misrepresentation of the truth from Christ which He gave in His own words--not as occurring after some millennia in the distant "future", but as what "must shortly come to pass."

Some Scripture is missing in this discussion -

Matt 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

Jesus is speaking about Israel and what is going to happen exactly 40 years after His resurrection, the end of theocracy Israel, ripping the heart out of Judaism, the temple, by the prophecy of Christ in verse 2. It's not about us. AD70 and the siege of Jerusalem was a bloodshed, Josephus calculated one million Jews died by the sword of the Romans.

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

So there have been people -- alive -- see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus to Caiaphas -
Matt 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Did Caiaphas see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven in his life time?
Scripture tells us so.

The rapture
Matt 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

It all happened +/- 1950 years ago.

That somehow needs to fit with your teaching Scott.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You lost me. But no, I am not terrified.

Well if you do not know what it means, how can you say no? You mat be a transsubstantianalist and not even know it.

If not terrified you are very evasive over a simple question

 

[ScottA]

Am not dismayed.

Allow me to clarify for you in simple.

This is the written 'grace' and 'truth'.

Born again of the Spirit of GOD, one becomes a new spirit man, and represents the Kingdom of GOD on earth.

When he dies, he's buried here on earth, and as a child of GOD, he's 'asleep' by definition.

He's to wait until he's taken home together with all the Christian saints, dead or alive on the coming day of 'rapture'.

Before ascending, dead or alive here on earth, they will leave their earthly bodies behind.

And each of them in the twinkling of an eye, will be changed into their new Heavenly body before they're taken up and home.

This is the second coming and doing of the Lord Jesus Christ. who will await them in the cloud, as they ascend to meet Him.

If this is a 'lie' we've been taught for 2,000 years according to you, apparently you're from another 'father of lies' who deceived you.

Our GOD is not an author of confusion, but of peace and spiritual prosperity, and am unworthy.

Your man made denomination is no better than the 'mormons', 'jehovah's witness', or other 'cults'.

Am only saying this 'shrewdly' in 'correction' to you, in order for you to 'repent'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

If we correct each other, only one is true. But my correction is from God in accord with the scriptures that tell of the lie that, yes, has been taught for the past 2,000 years. Where is it that you get your information?

As for God not being an author of confusion--how is it that you presume to correct me, but you do not know this passage:

"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” Genesis 11:7​

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Since you are in error with this one thing, why do you presume to correct me?

 

[ScottA]

Some Scripture is missing in this discussion -

Matt 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

Jesus is speaking about Israel and what is going to happen exactly 40 years after His resurrection, the end of theocracy Israel, ripping the heart out of Judaism, the temple, by the prophecy of Christ in verse 2. It's not about us. AD70 and the siege of Jerusalem was a bloodshed, Josephus calculated one million Jews died by the sword of the Romans.

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

So there have been people -- alive -- see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus to Caiaphas -
Matt 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Did Caiaphas see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven in his life time?
Scripture tells us so.

The rapture
Matt 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

It all happened +/- 1950 years ago.

That somehow needs to fit with your teaching Scott.

Thank you. That is a start, but does not fully nor accurately explain, except for what has occurred and was witnessed in this world. Which is to say, it is not even the half of all that has and does occur, for the heavenly part is greater. In other words, there's more that has not been seen or witnessed except when entering into that cloud from heaven, all of which is in spirit and lacking nothing, as God is spirit and sees all.

This is a big subject and hard to perceive from only this smaller side of the greater equation. Meaning many things. One of the larger issues is that of Time itself. On this worldly side of the equation times tick away of days and months and years. But not so with God, and yet each of these occasions where God too has His timeless side and "no shadow of turning", come together with only the smaller, worldly part being visible. Which means that when we perhaps perceive what we consider "great tribulation", or even something as small as one individual being born again of the spirit of God--on His eternal side of the equation--it is all "the same yesterday, today, and forever." So...we can't simple look at things as we are otherwise inclined, because of God's greater reality where Truth resides, an abstract translation is in order.

It is in that greater abstract reality of God that I have been making statements, as in translation. This is the meaning of being lead unto "all truth" as promised by Christ.

In translation then, all things are as if without time, or as true from end to end. Meaning that the "great tribulation" is spread out over times, but all placed upon Christ in His time--for there can be no greater tribulation than all tribulation. Likewise many other occurrences, are also given "line upon line, here a little there a little", but tell rather of the overall being divided unto all generations. For example, the Lamb that was slain, though He was slain in His time, was in God's greater reality, "slain before the foundation of the world" unseen to this world, except during the time it was made manifest in the midst of all times. Thus, we who "were crucified with Christ"--were also "before the foundation of the world", yet only made manifest in our own time...as Paul elude to, saying as defined in the original language--"but each one (individual) in his own order."

All of which will indeed require "the renewing of your mind."

 

[ScottA]

Well if you do not know what it means, how can you say no? You mat be a transsubstantianalist and not even know it.

If not terrified you are very evasive over a simple question

My not allowing myself to be coaxed off on one of your tangents, is not "evasive"--it's me saying no.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

My not allowing myself to be coaxed off on one of your tangents, is not "evasive"--it's me saying no.

So you throw out an implication and when directly confronted you become sly as a fox and evasive as a snake.

I don't need paragraphs or pages but a simple yes or no. If you can't do that, you are a lousy teacher. You are the one who implied you believe in transubstantiation, I am just trying to understand you and not misunderstand. You are being evasive and that is not what one who gets "special revelations" from god should do when conversing with a brother in Christ.

 

[ScottA]

So you throw out an implication and when directly confronted you become sly as a fox and evasive as a snake.

I don't need paragraphs or pages but a simple yes or no. If you can't do that, you are a lousy teacher. You are the one who implied you believe in transubstantiation, I am just trying to understand you and not misunderstand. You are being evasive and that is not what one who gets "special revelations" from god should do when conversing with a brother in Christ.

I have not done what you accuse me of--but have answered you already.

But no, for the most part you have been accusational, and not willing to consider that the warnings of false doctrines given in scripture may have affected your own person beliefs, as it is written of many.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have not done what you accuse me of--but have answered you already.

But no, for the most part you have been accusational, and not willing to consider that the warnings of false doctrines given in scripture may have affected your own person beliefs, as it is written of many.

Well I know of no false doctrines I believe in. Yes I accuse you for you are guilty of making strongly implied statements, and when asked to clarify or expand, you become elusive and evasive. If I hold to false doctrines- name them or repent of falsely accusing a believer.

So do you hold to transubstantiation or not?

If you simply looked it up (google is your firend hers) you could answer and have saved many useless words you have used in evading the issue.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well I know of no false doctrines I believe in. Yes I accuse you for you are guilty of making strongly implied statements, and when asked to clarify or expand, you become elusive and evasive. If I hold to false doctrines- name them or repent of falsely accusing a believer.

So do you hold to transubstantiation or not?

If you simply looked it up (google is your firend hers) you could answer and have saved many useless words you have used in evading the issue.

what on this green earth does transubstantiation mean

 

[ScottA]

Well I know of no false doctrines I believe in. Yes I accuse you for you are guilty of making strongly implied statements, and when asked to clarify or expand, you become elusive and evasive. If I hold to false doctrines- name them or repent of falsely accusing a believer.

So do you hold to transubstantiation or not?

If you simply looked it up (google is your firend hers) you could answer and have saved many useless words you have used in evading the issue.

You don't know what you don't know. Terrific. I believe you!

I am through entertaining your insolence.

 

[amigo de christo]

You don't know what you don't know. Terrific. I believe you!

I am through entertaining your insolence.

Scott are you married . do you have children .
There is a reason i ask . Pride is cosuming you my friend
and you gonna have to be humbled .
So i was wondering if one of your children or perhaps your wife
would be willing to type and let us know how you are .
You swollen my friend . I dont know any other way to help you either .
And sadly many who try and debate you have a log that needs to get removed too .
My concern is now how comfortable you are , my concern is for your good .
And if chastening has to come , WELL it has to come . You need to start over friend .
Something has went wrong . I do love you . dont see this as an attack , you see it as LOVE my friend .