Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

[ScottA]

Lest that day come upon you as a thief . Scott you are in error on what you wrote concering what paul and Christ were talking about .
Of course the LORD indwells the believers BY THE SPIRIT . but those beleivers , such as paul
were writing about a future coming in which we shall be caught up with him and forever be with HIM .

Either one believes that "Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" (1 John 42) and "the world will see Me no more" (John 14:19) defines the return He spoke of--or that there is no "destructive doctrines", "strong delusion" or "great apostacy" and the now common belief is without error.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[ScottA]

The nar realm is a massive , a lot of prosperity preachers are tied into this . I am suprised you have not heard
that phrase NAR . NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION .

Is NAR from God or from men? What I know is from God.

 

[pepper]

What is NAR?

 

[ScottA]

What is NAR?

Post #59

 

[pepper]

Post #59

Thank you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Either one believes that "Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" (1 John 42) and "the world will see Me no more" (John 14:19) defines the return He spoke of--or that there is no "destructive doctrines", "strong delusion" or "great apostacy" and the now common belief is without error.

You can't have it both ways.

scott you are trying to merge two different things as though they be the same event .
His coming unto the beleiver
is not the same has HIS coming day when he COMES for the church etc and to lay down the warth of GOD against the ungodly .
John fourteen is JESUS simply explaining HOW he will make HIS abode by THE SPIRIT upon us .
You messing things up scott . You trying to blend two things together as though that is the same event .
Pual HIMSELF speaks of this event , HE ALREADY WAS BORN AGAIN
and even speaks of this as a future day FOR HIM and the beleivers .
I have heard this teaching before scott . You actually did not THink this up , its been around scott .

 

[Marvelloustime]

scott you are trying to merge two different things as though they be the same event .
His coming unto the beleiver
is not the same has HIS coming day when he COMES for the church etc and to lay down the warth of GOD against the ungodly .
John fourteen is JESUS simply explaining HOW he will make HIS abode by THE SPIRIT upon us .
You messing things up scott . You trying to blend two things together as though that is the same event .
Pual HIMSELF speaks of this event , HE ALREADY WAS BORN AGAIN
and even speaks of this as a future day FOR HIM and the beleivers .
I have heard this teaching before scott . You actually did not THink this up , its been around scott .

@amigo de christo

 

[ScottA]

scott you are trying to merge two different things as though they be the same event .
His coming unto the beleiver
is not the same has HIS coming day when he COMES for the church etc and to lay down the warth of GOD against the ungodly .
John fourteen is JESUS simply explaining HOW he will make HIS abode by THE SPIRIT upon us .
You messing things up scott . You trying to blend two things together as though that is the same event .
Pual HIMSELF speaks of this event , HE ALREADY WAS BORN AGAIN
and even speaks of this as a future day FOR HIM and the beleivers .
I have heard this teaching before scott . You actually did not THink this up , its been around scott .

That indeed is the point of confusion. Let me put it another way:

Your general premise generally agrees with the common belief within the church. Which simply does not account for the anti-Christ spirit already at work since the time of Christ, the false teachers bringing in destructive doctrines foretold by Peter, and the believing of a lie causing strong delusion and great apostacy by Paul. Meaning what the church generally believes is true--is not.

So me repeating what is written by Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John regarding the current status of the church--is what--not true? Of course it's true just as they said and I now repeat it. As for connecting what you (and the church) believe is not connected...why would you agree with the church who was foretold to be WRONG? The church is wrong!

Also--you mentioned Jesus coming "as a thief." --What did you think He meant--but that He would not be seen, as meaning in spirit?

 

[quietthinker]

All truth (John 16:13) and the finish of the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) is promised. Meaning, there is a time when we actually do come to "know the day and the hour" of the Lord's coming (Matthew 24:36).

That day and hour--although many do not recognize or acknowledge it as such--is the day and hour in which the Lord comes knocking and we open to Him (Revelation 3:20). At such a time we are born again of the spirit of God, as that is the time of His spirit coming into us. Such is the culmination of all scripture and the works of God toward our salvation. In that moment one is changed, having passed from death to life, never to be the same, as a new creation.

Much confusion however, has come from the fact that we who are alive and spiritually anew within, remain within our old physical self until the Lord is through with our physical body which then carries the good news and testimony of Christ within. Paul referred to this, saying "we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:14). Which does not mean that He has not yet come unto those alive and remaining, but rather that He has not yet come to all--to whom we who are alive and remain then aid in His coming to those to whom He comes after us. Which we do by the word of our testimony (Revelation 12:11).

As for those who do not recognize or acknowledge these things as such, many are the victims of foretold false teachers who have hindered those who were entering in. All of which was to continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. These are those times.

As for those who are not sure whether they are born again of the spirit of God (which is the spirit of Christ entering into them), you can know by the notable change within you. There are things we once loved, we no longer love, but come to hate. Even so, our old self may still love those things we have inwardly come to hate. This is that struggle that Paul confessed, saying "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice" (Romans 7:19). It is for this reason that we are counselled to "endure to the end" (Matthew 24:13).

In your 'great wisdom' Scott, you have violated the context of, 'no one knows the day or the hour', as you do other scriptures. May the Lord rebuke you.

 

[amigo de christo]

That indeed is the point of confusion. Let me put it another way:

Your general premise generally agrees with the common belief within the church. Which simply does not account for the anti-Christ spirit already at work since the time of Christ, the false teachers bringing in destructive doctrines foretold by Peter, and the believing of a lie causing strong delusion and great apostacy by Paul. Meaning what the church generally believes is true--is not.

So me repeating what is written by Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John regarding the current status of the church--is what--not true? Of course it's true just as they said and I now repeat it. As for connecting what you (and the church) believe is not connected...why would you agree with the church who was foretold to be WRONG? The church is wrong!

Also--you mentioned Jesus coming "as a thief." --What did you think He meant--but that He would not be seen, as meaning in spirit?

You are blending two things into the same thing scott .
Ps , the Spirit of anti christ has been at work
take a good long look at the pope and yes trump and vance and their beloved interfaith scott .
That is THE WORK and working of that which is of anti christ . PLAINLY DENYING the absolute need
to Beleive JESUS is the CHRIST to be saved . But some on here sure seem to have no problem with it
and hey if trump and vance are behind it , WOW it must be a good thing for peace in the middle east .
Talk about THE delusion . You think the anti christ delusion is in people like me
cause we actaully look forward to the coming of the LORD . Scott that wont bode well .
IF you wanna see anti christ spirit at work , LOOK AROUND it has its own version of what it calleth love
and has seduced a ton of folks .

 

[amigo de christo]

That indeed is the point of confusion. Let me put it another way:

Your general premise generally agrees with the common belief within the church. Which simply does not account for the anti-Christ spirit already at work since the time of Christ, the false teachers bringing in destructive doctrines foretold by Peter, and the believing of a lie causing strong delusion and great apostacy by Paul. Meaning what the church generally believes is true--is not.

So me repeating what is written by Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John regarding the current status of the church--is what--not true? Of course it's true just as they said and I now repeat it. As for connecting what you (and the church) believe is not connected...why would you agree with the church who was foretold to be WRONG? The church is wrong!

Also--you mentioned Jesus coming "as a thief." --What did you think He meant--but that He would not be seen, as meaning in spirit?

if you want to know what the common lie that most within christendom now beleive is
ITS THIS FALSE LOVE STUFF , this idea that somehow all religoins , if they did good and etc , will be okay
that somehow they serve the same GOD we do in different ways .
IN fact if you stood before most churches and worded it just like this
MOST would agree . If one were to stand and tell me , HEY amigo are you saying
that all other religoins do NOT KNOW GOD and if they dont repent to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST
they will be damned . AND I said YES ,
most would think i was wrong . Most would beleive the lie , beliving hey if they just
were so called loving god their own way and doing good to their neighbor , THEY will be okay .
WHAT A LIE OF ANTI CHRIST guised in under love and to seem loving . Most buy that junk scott .
OH they will say WE BELIEVE and yet imply , DONT JUDGE THOSE WHO DONT , IF they lovey dooed
they okay . what a lie that one is scott . And your trump vance and that pope and tons of others
beleive this stuff scott and love and do the work of interfaith themselves . SO i say WATCH OUT FOR THAT .

 

[Marvelloustime]

You are blending two things into the same thing scott .
Ps , the Spirit of anti christ has been at work
take a good long look at the pope and yes trump and vance and their beloved interfaith scott .
That is THE WORK and working of that which is of anti christ . PLAINLY DENYING the absolute need
to Beleive JESUS is the CHRIST to be saved . But some on here sure seem to have no problem with it
and hey if trump and vance are behind it , WOW it must be a good thing for peace in the middle east .
Talk about THE delusion . You think the anti christ delusion is in people like me
cause we actaully look forward to the coming of the LORD . Scott that wont bode well .
IF you wanna see anti christ spirit at work , LOOK AROUND it has its own version of what it calleth love
and has seduced a ton of folks .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

if you want to know what the common lie that most within christendom now beleive is
ITS THIS FALSE LOVE STUFF , this idea that somehow all religoins , if they did good and etc , will be okay
that somehow they serve the same GOD we do in different ways .
IN fact if you stood before most churches and worded it just like this
MOST would agree . If one were to stand and tell me , HEY amigo are you saying
that all other religoins do NOT KNOW GOD and if they dont repent to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST
they will be damned . AND I said YES ,
most would think i was wrong . Most would beleive the lie , beliving hey if they just
were so called loving god their own way and doing good to their neighbor , THEY will be okay .
WHAT A LIE OF ANTI CHRIST guised in under love and to seem loving . Most buy that junk scott .
OH they will say WE BELIEVE and yet imply , DONT JUDGE THOSE WHO DONT , IF they lovey dooed
they okay . what a lie that one is scott . And your trump vance and that pope and tons of others
beleive this stuff scott and love and do the work of interfaith themselves . SO i say WATCH OUT FOR THAT .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I did not read your mind or assume. But based on what you wrote about a "physical return", you make it obvious that you do not believe what Jesus himself said regarding his return being "within" and "not observable to this world."

He said that about the kingdom that is planted in the hearts of the believers and not Himself. That part of the kingdom (call it the spiritual component if you will) is onobserved for that happens when one is regenerated and made part of the kingdom.

But Jesu ssaid He would come back that is the very definition of return.

Rev. 19 shows Hom returning in glory!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No.

I am saying that what is written and what was observed of Jesus' ascension by those standing by, does not make void "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8) and with Jesus being "firstfruits." Which, apparently you have not reconciled with all that you believe.

Well what is apparent to you is incorrect.

The passage you cite is about being born again and has nothing to do with Jesus physical return and establish the Kingdom promised in the OT. It is about individuals being born again and saved! the only thing the NT adds to the kingdom promise is how long it will last on earth!

And Jesus being the firstfruits, Scripture makes absolutely clear that He is the first fruits of the resurrection.

So you believe Jesus physically rose form the dead in the body He died in now glorified and immortal?

 

[ScottA]

You are blending two things into the same thing scott .
Ps , the Spirit of anti christ has been at work
take a good long look at the pope and yes trump and vance and their beloved interfaith scott .
That is THE WORK and working of that which is of anti christ . PLAINLY DENYING the absolute need
to Beleive JESUS is the CHRIST to be saved . But some on here sure seem to have no problem with it
and hey if trump and vance are behind it , WOW it must be a good thing for peace in the middle east .
Talk about THE delusion . You think the anti christ delusion is in people like me
cause we actaully look forward to the coming of the LORD . Scott that wont bode well .
IF you wanna see anti christ spirit at work , LOOK AROUND it has its own version of what it calleth love
and has seduced a ton of folks .

Did you just deny or agree that your beliefs generally align with that of the church--i.e. that Jesus was not coming soon and all that He spoke of should not shortly take place as He said, but instead He comes some millennia after He said "soon" and "shortly?"

Oh, darn--now I have again revealed the lie that was foretold!

 

[ScottA]

if you want to know what the common lie that most within christendom now beleive is
ITS THIS FALSE LOVE STUFF , this idea that somehow all religoins , if they did good and etc , will be okay
that somehow they serve the same GOD we do in different ways .
IN fact if you stood before most churches and worded it just like this
MOST would agree . If one were to stand and tell me , HEY amigo are you saying
that all other religoins do NOT KNOW GOD and if they dont repent to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST
they will be damned . AND I said YES ,
most would think i was wrong . Most would beleive the lie , beliving hey if they just
were so called loving god their own way and doing good to their neighbor , THEY will be okay .
WHAT A LIE OF ANTI CHRIST guised in under love and to seem loving . Most buy that junk scott .
OH they will say WE BELIEVE and yet imply , DONT JUDGE THOSE WHO DONT , IF they lovey dooed
they okay . what a lie that one is scott . And your trump vance and that pope and tons of others
beleive this stuff scott and love and do the work of interfaith themselves . SO i say WATCH OUT FOR THAT .

I am very much with you on most of that...except that is not the lie foretold by Paul.

 

[ScottA]

He said that about the kingdom that is planted in the hearts of the believers and not Himself. That part of the kingdom (call it the spiritual component if you will) is onobserved for that happens when one is regenerated and made part of the kingdom.

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20).

But Jesu ssaid He would come back that is the very definition of return.

Yes, "return" is correct--because He first left and went to the Father.

Rev. 19 shows Hom returning in glory!

Yes--which is "the glory of His Father"--whom "is spirit."

 

[ScottA]

Well what is apparent to you is incorrect.

The passage you cite is about being born again and has nothing to do with Jesus physical return and establish the Kingdom promised in the OT. It is about individuals being born again and saved! the only thing the NT adds to the kingdom promise is how long it will last on earth!

And Jesus being the firstfruits, Scripture makes absolutely clear that He is the first fruits of the resurrection.

So you believe Jesus physically rose form the dead in the body He died in now glorified and immortal?

This is why I mentioned Jesus being firstfruits--because that is what all of this is about.

In other words, yes, those born again are firstfruits with Christ. Which yes, were crucified and raised up with Him. Which is only confused or sounds crazy, if one insists on the terms being that of times rather than eternity. But--but we are talking about God, and these events, though they may begin in times, are finished in His eternity. And that--that is the transition that was visibly made manifest revealing what is only otherwise partially visible in this world. Thus, in the "like manner" of this world, God has revealed in Jesus' ascension the complete revelation...in spite of many not having the perspective to understand it fully.

 

[amigo de christo]

I am very much with you on most of that...except that is not the lie foretold by Paul.

the mystery of inquity and that which is of anti christ are one in the same .
There have been spirits of inquity at work through men and now in this last hour
its morphing massive scott . The sooner we stop reading into prophecy through the lens of men
of pre , mid or whatever dispensational etc , the better off we gonna be .
Learn JUST the bible . Now i have to ask you
what do you THINK the lie foretold of paul was about .