Justified by Works

[GracePeace]

I didnt mention peter, what is being referred to in the passage you quoted is simply clean/unclean foods

Yeah, because the Roman govt had ousted the Jews from Rome--and this included Jewish believers--and, returning to Rome, they were finding Gentiles filling their church, so there was an issue that they kept more Law-based practices, as it was their conviction, but Gentiles did not. Peter is used as an example. We are called to freedom to walk in the convictions in our minds--"the law of my mind" (Ro 7).

 

[uncle silas]

Yeah, because the Roman govt had ousted the Jews from Rome--and this included Jewish believers--and, returning to Rome, they were finding Gentiles filling their church, so there was an issue that they kept more Law-based practices, as it was their conviction, but Gentiles did not. Peter is used as an example. We are called to freedom to walk in the convictions in our minds--"the law of my mind" (Ro 7).

You are oging off at a tangent again

 

[uncle silas]

Yeah, because the Roman govt had ousted the Jews from Rome--and this included Jewish believers--and, returning to Rome, they were finding Gentiles filling their church, so there was an issue that they kept more Law-based practices, as it was their conviction, but Gentiles did not. Peter is used as an example. We are called to freedom to walk in the convictions in our minds--"the law of my mind" (Ro 7).

Rom 7:7-11&14-24 refers to Saul the Pharisee, not Paul the Christian

 

[GracePeace]

If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself. 2Tim2:12&13

If we deny Him, He will deny us--yes, He will say "I never knew you".
If we are faithless, He remains faithful--yes, He forgives our sins.

Answer Romans 14:23. How is the man "condemned" because he didn't WALK in faith?

 

[GracePeace]

You are oging off at a tangent again

No, answering you with a rich answer for which you should full of gratitude.

 

[uncle silas]

If we deny Him, He will deny us--yes, He will say "I never knew you".
If we are faithless, He remains faithful--yes, He forgives our sins.

Answer Romans 14:23. How is the man "condemned" because he didn't WALK in faith?

So if a person eats the levitical unclean foods when he believes he shouldn't, he is condemned to hell, that's it?

 

[uncle silas]

No, answering you with a rich answer for which you should full of gratitude.

Written in humility

 

[GracePeace]

Rom 7:7-11&14-24 refers to Saul the Pharisee, not Paul the Christian

Yeah, and? He is intentionally setting forth the paradigm that sin is the breaking of the law of our mind, and now we are free to walk in agreement with the law of our mind, our convictions, and if we don't we are condemned for sin (Ro 14:23).

 

[GracePeace]

So if a person eats the levitical unclean foods when he believes he shouldn't, he is condemned to hell, that's it?

If a person's life is not characterized by walking in faith/"fully persuaded in his own mind" (each person differs), he is condemned, because God's justifying righteousness is revealed from faith to faith (Ro 1:17).

 

[GracePeace]

Written in humility

Love rejoices in truth. Praise God.

 

[uncle silas]

Yeah, and? He is intentionally setting forth the paradigm that sin is the breaking of the law of our mind, and now we are free to walk in agreement with the law of our mind, our convictions, and if we don't we are condemned for sin (Ro 14:23).

So, if you commit a sin, you are going against the law in your mind, are you condemned to hell too?

 

[GracePeace]

So, if you commit a sin, you are going against the law in your mind, are you condemned to hell too?

If your life is characterized by doubt, you are not in faith, thus you do not have God's justifying righteousness, and you need to repent, or else, not having God's justifying righteousness, you are, according to Romans 14:23, "condemned" for "sin".

What is YOUR response to Romans 14:23? How is the man condemned? I say it is because he is not obeying the Law of Faith "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind" (Ro 14:5).

 

[uncle silas]

If your life is characterized by doubt, you are not in faith, thus you do not have God's justifying righteousness, and you need to repent, or else, not having God's justifying righteousness, you are, according to Romans 14:23, "condemned" for "sin".

What is YOUR response to Romans 14:23? How is the man condemned? I say it is because he is not obeying the Law of Faith "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind" (Ro 14:5).

So, if you can repent if you go against the law in your mind, why can't everyone else, including someone who eats the levitical unclean foods when they believe they should not?

 

[GracePeace]

So, if you commit a sin, you are going against the law in your mind, are you condemned to hell too?

The man who sins is, ipso facto, not clothed with God's justifying righteousness. How could God's justifying righteousness be sin? Only "doers of the Law" are justified (Ro 2:13), but we know that "the righteous requirement of the Law" is only "fulfilled in those who walk by the Spirit" (Ro 8:4), which is walking in faith/doing only things you are convinced are correct (Ro 14:5).

 

[GracePeace]

So, if you can repent if you go against the law in your mind, why can't everyone else, including someone who eats the levitical unclean foods when they believe they should not?

Yes, they can repent--I'm only demonstrating that faith is not solely something to be held but is also to be walked in.

 

[uncle silas]

The man who sins is, ipso facto, not clothed with God's righteousness. How could God's righteousness be sin? Only "doers of the Law" are justified (Ro 2:13), but we know that "the righteous requirement of the Law" is only "fulfilled in those who walk by the Spirit" (Ro 8:4), by waling by faith (Ro 14:5).

So the man mentioned in Rom14:23 was n ot literally condemned to hell for what he did, he could tell God he was sorry for going against what he believed he should not do

 

[GracePeace]

So the man mentioned in Rom14:23 was n ot literally condemned to hell for what he did, he could tell God he was sorry for going against what he believed he should not do

In other words, the guy who commits something he does not believe in is not in right standing with God--he is not justified.
"Interestingly", justification is by the righteousness of faith... and this man did something he did not have faith to do, something that did not proceed from faith.

The conclusion is obvious : faith is not merely something to be held, but is also something to be walked in, or else, since God's righteousness by faith is not there, the justification is not there, but condemnation is there.

 

[uncle silas]

In other words, the guy who commits something he does not believe in is not in right standing with God--he is not justified.

Christians, in your view, must flip flop in and out of a justified state constantly I assume. For how long, do people perfectly without slip live as they know they should live?
BTW
Are you justified when you are IN Christ?

 

[GracePeace]

Christians, in your view, must flip flop in and out of a justified state constantly I assume. For how long, do people perfectly without slip live as they know they should live?
BTW
Are you justified when you are IN Christ?

Did you have an answer for how the guy in Romans 14:23 is "condemned", whereas those "in Christ" have "no condemnation" (Ro 8:1)?

I do : My answer is he is not abiding in Christ.

 

[GracePeace]

So the man mentioned in Rom14:23 was n ot literally condemned to hell for what he did, he could tell God he was sorry for going against what he believed he should not do

If you're not walking in faith, and that's how you're living your life, just doing things your thoughts "accuse" you for doing (Ro 2), yes, you are condemned, and if you don't repent, you're going to be condemned to hell, because you're not remaining in God's justifying righteousness.