John Calvin and Calvinism.

[Grailhunter]

if it were up to the majority of this forum, us calvinists would be labeled as heretics and treated as lepers. How long till it happens in real life?? And as for you grail, thats exactly the kind of thing i would expect out of you, to head up the removal of us calvinists.

Calvinism is heretical and fits the definition of a cult, a cult that blasphemes God.
Remove you from the forum? Again that is above my paygrade.
I would just like to be around to see you explain your religion to Christ on Judgment Day.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, I am not. You realize just because I am labeled a Calvinist does NOT mean I follow Calvin right? If that is the best you got you might as well quit posting.

I think you been defending Calvinism. Are you saying that you believe that man has total free-will? Free-will and can choose God?
That God did not choose salvation or damnation for individuals before they were born?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I think you been defending Calvinism. Are you saying that you believe that man has total free-will? Free-will and can choose God?
That God did not choose salvation or damnation for individuals before they were born?

wait…. Grail, are you saying that God did not pick and choose who would goto Heaven and who wouldn’t??? And you call cavinists heretical?????????

 

[reformed1689]

I think you been defending Calvinism. Are you saying that you believe that man has total free-will? Free-will and can choose God?
That God did not choose salvation or damnation for individuals before they were born?

I have been defending Scripture and Scripture does not describe "total" free will.

 

[Grailhunter]

wait…. Grail, are you saying that God did not pick and choose who would goto Heaven and who wouldn’t??? And you call cavinists heretical?????????

No he did not pick who was going to heaven or hell before the creation of all things. LOL He knew who was going to heaven or hell, but that is clairvoyance not predestination.....even then the future is not locked down. We each have a future that is made up of our own choices.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have been defending Scripture and Scripture does not describe "total" free will.

Ya that is not true. Humans have total free-will. If you look at the Bible God works with people, whether it was His champions in the Old Testament or the Apostles in the New Testament. They are not biological robots walking around under the Command of God.
"total free" You speak like a cultist. It is a trap. Has God used predestination a few times....yes....does it make up all of reality...no.
That is absurdity of Calvinism....what would even be the purpose....make a biological play so He could watch it?

 

[reformed1689]

Ya that is not true. Humans have total free-will. If you look at the Bible God works with people, whether it was His champions in the Old Testament or the Apostles in the New Testament. They are not biological robots walking around under the Command of God.
"total free" You speak like a cultist. It is a trap. Has God used predestination a few times....yes....does it make up all of reality...no.
That is absurdity of Calvinism....what would even be the purpose....make a biological play so He could watch it?

The Bible says we are enslaved to sin. Slaves do not have total free will. And yes, God always uses predestination.

 

[reformed1689]

No he did not pick who was going to heaven or hell before the creation of all things. LOL He knew who was going to heaven or hell, but that is clairvoyance not predestination.....even then the future is not locked down. We each have a future that is made up of our own choices.

Really? Because he said he did so....

Yes the future is locked down.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible says we are enslaved to sin. Slaves do not have total free will. And yes, God always uses predestination.

LOL I will not be battering scriptures with you. You have received more scriptures than you deserve.

We are slaved to sin before we are saved because we do not know the morality of God. A person can be good before they are saved, but still sinners because they have not chose Christ. The Apostles use to say slaves of Christ, but they entered into that bondage of there own free-will.

 

[Grailhunter]

Really? Because he said he did so....

Yes the future is locked down.

That is not true.

 

[reformed1689]

LOL I will not be battering scriptures with you. You have received more scriptures than you deserve.

We are slaved to sin before we are saved because we do not know the morality of God. A person can be good before they are saved, but still sinners because they have not chose Christ. The Apostles use to say slaves of Christ, but they entered into that bondage of there own free-will.

Bible says none are good.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

LOL I will not be battering scriptures with you. You have received more scriptures than you deserve.

We are slaved to sin before we are saved because we do not know the morality of God. A person can be good before they are saved, but still sinners because they have not chose Christ. The Apostles use to say slaves of Christ, but they entered into that bondage of there own free-will.

no, a person cant do good untill they have the Holy Spirit in them.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

That is not true.

you’re denying God’s sovereignty.

 

[Grailhunter]

Bible says none are good.

The Bible says a lot of things and if you are stupid you can believe all sorts of weird stuff and if it is your intention to twist the Word you look for scriptures like that.

You can believe that....you have to hate your mother and father and all your family to be a disciple of Christ.
you can believe that it is harder for a rich man to go through the eye of the needle than to get to heaven.
You can believe that in order to be saved you have to own nothing and walk around with nothing but the shirt on your back.
You can believe if an intruder comes in your home that you cannot defend your family. Keep turn those cheeks! As your family is murdered.
Shoot you can read into it that God is UFO pilot.

In this case the no one is good, supports the predestination lies.

No one is as good as God. But there are good people.

 

[Grailhunter]

you’re denying God’s sovereignty.

The democrats use the word progressive to mean the march to communism.

God's sovereignty does not mean that God enslaved all mankind. Or that to be sovereign He had to enslave all of mankind. Sovereign has nothing to do with predestination.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

In this case the no one is good, supports the predestination lies.

No one is as good as God. But there are good people.

this is the dumbest thing i have seen you say yet. No one means NO ONE. No one is good except God. Literally no one. God set the standard for what is good. Its perfection. No one is perfect but God. You are trying to compare apples to guinea pigs. Your definition of good is clearly different than what the Bible says.

oh yea, and God IS sovereign, but why do you care what God does to save a person? If me becoming a robot is what it takes to get saved, so be it. I’ll be a robot to avoid going to hell.

 

[Grailhunter]

this is the dumbest thing i have seen you say yet. No one means NO ONE. No one is good except God. Literally no one.

LOL I laugh in your general direction. Ya I know the doctrine of the man that you worship. Total Depravity. The concept itself is hogwash.
The teachings of a cult leader.

Some sin worse than others. Some do little wrong even if they don't know any religion. Sin is a transgression against God so if they do not know the morals of God how can they lead a moral life. So as it is all are going to hell if they are not Christians. Still Christians do sin. In respect to God none of us are that good. Some of us do better than others. Some Christians are going to hell because they sin too much. But that determination does not happen until Judgment Day. And none of it has to do with the 5 points of Calvinism.

 

[reformed1689]

No one is as good as God. But there are good people.

Not according to Scripture

 

[reformed1689]

The democrats use the word progressive to mean the march to communism.

God's sovereignty does not mean that God enslaved all mankind. Or that to be sovereign He had to enslave all of mankind. Sovereign has nothing to do with predestination.

Do you even read the Bible? I mean really...

 

[reformed1689]

LOL I laugh in your general direction. Ya I know the doctrine of the man that you worship. Total Depravity. The concept itself is hogwash.
The teachings of a cult leader.

Some sin worse than others. Some do little wrong even if they don't know any religion. Sin is a transgression against God so if they do not know the morals of God how can they lead a moral life. So as it is all are going to hell if they are not Christians. Still Christians do sin. In respect to God none of us are that good. Some of us do better than others. Some Christians are going to hell because they sin too much. But that determination does not happen until Judgment Day. And none of it has to do with the 5 points of Calvinism.

Some Christians are going to hell? Yep, you don't read the Bible.