John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

[face2face]

John 8:56 refers to Genesis 22:13-15 the Akedah. Abraham saw the parallel between what he was asked to do and what God would do when he sacrificed his Son.

Just say it! He saw Jesus day by faith alone....and Jesus was taught by faith which is why Christ could say before Abraham was I am. In other words his per-eminence was taught prior to Abraham...he was a son of promise not literally alive back then! Impossible for Jesus to be a son of promise while being eternal. The animal slain and coats provided speaks to John 1:29 - the son Eve longed for was "the seed" of the woman! (Genesis 4:1) Jesus wasn't given life until the HS caused conception in Mary.

You admit to interpreting Jesus' words in verse 56 as being faith and then force non biblical notions on verse 58

It's clear for all to see the agenda in doing so.

 

[Jack]

No, I am not calling Jesus a liar.

So you believe that Jesus knew ALL THINGS as only God can?

 

[Wrangler]

So you believe that Jesus knew ALL THINGS as only God can?

No. Jesus said God knows more than he does. So, Jesus admitted NOT being God when he admitted to knowing less than God.

 

[Jack]

No. Jesus said God knows more than he does. So, Jesus admitted NOT being God when he admitted to knowing less than God.

I gave Scripture. You didn't. Peter said Jesus knows ALL THINGS. Who are you?

Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".
Who are you? Your opinions do not overrule Peter and Thomas who knew Jesus personally!

 

[Wrangler]

I gave Scripture. You didn't. Peter said Jesus knows ALL THINGS. Who are you?

Peter was speaking figuratively about the context of the conversation but was literally wrong since Jesus confessed knowing less than God. Mark 13:32. Matthew 24:36.

 

[Jack]

Peter was speaking figuratively about the context of the conversation but was literally wrong since Jesus confessed knowing less than God. Mark 13:32. Matthew 24:36.

Translation: I'm right and Peter is wrong. Who are you:? I'll believe Peter before I believe you.

 

[Wrangler]

Translation: I'm right and Peter is wrong. Who are you:???

I’m the one who provided requested Scripture.

 

[Jack]

I’m the one who provided requested Scripture.

So where is it?

 

[RLT63]

Just say it! He saw Jesus day by faith alone....and Jesus was taught by faith which is why Christ could say before Abraham was I am. In other words his per-eminence was taught prior to Abraham...he was a son of promise not literally alive back then! Impossible for Jesus to be a son of promise while being eternal. The animal slain and coats provided speaks to John 1:29 - the son Eve longed for was "the seed" of the woman! (Genesis 4:1) Jesus wasn't given life until the HS caused conception in Mary.

You admit to interpreting Jesus' words in verse 56 as being faith and then force non biblical notions on verse 58

It's clear for all to see the agenda in doing so.

No you are forcing it to say something it doesn't say

 

[Jack]

No you are forcing it to say something it doesn't say

KIngdom Hall victims twist nearly every verse in our Bible! Just like Satan!

 

[RLT63]

Peter was speaking figuratively about the context of the conversation but was literally wrong since Jesus confessed knowing less than God. Mark 13:32. Matthew 24:36.

No. Jesus said God knows more than he does. So, Jesus admitted NOT being God when he admitted to knowing less than God.

Jesus said that about his return because he was using the Jewish wedding model. The Father tells the Son when he can go get his bride. The Wedding Model: Pattern is Prologue: The Rapture, Part 2: – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus said that about his return because he was using the Jewish wedding model.

Only the Father is God according to Scripture. Are you saying what Jesus said is untrue, that he really does know when the hour will come?

 

[RLT63]

Only the Father is God according to Scripture. Are you saying what Jesus said is untrue, that he really does know when the hour will come?

Read the article in the link I posted. The Father tells the Son when he can go get his bride.

 

[Wrangler]

Read the article in the link I posted. The Father tells the Son when he can go get his bride.

Was Jesus telling the truth that he knows less than God?

 

[RLT63]

Was Jesus telling the truth that he knows less than God?

About one thing and I just explained why.

 

[RLT63]

KIngdom Hall victims twist nearly every verse in our Bible! Just like Satan!

They're not the only ones

 

[GEN2REV]

Only the Father is God according to Scripture

How can a mortal man live inside other people?

How is it that Romans 8 bears out that a man lives inside hundreds of millions of people today?

There are so many holes in your argument and you repeatedly stand on one single verse, to the exclusion of all others, as if it's your wooden debris in the river of deceit that you know you will drown in if you let go.

Even when so many continue to disprove the meaning of that verse as you present it.

 

[Wrangler]

How can a mortal man live inside other people?

Still struggling with figurative language usage, I see.

 

[Wrangler]

There are so many holes in your argument and you repeatedly stand on one single verse, to the exclusion of all others

The opposite is true. There is no hole in my argument whatsoever. That the Apostles nor Jesus taught the trinity should mean something to you.

The trinity is not in the Bible. The obvious reason is the authors did not believe in the trinity. All the authors of the Bible, except possibly Luke are monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day. That should tell you something.

To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once! The absence of evidence for is damning to your 1C-violating claim.

Your response? Crickets ... Crickets ... Crickets ...

 

[RLT63]

The opposite is true. There is no hole in my argument whatsoever. That the Apostles nor Jesus taught the trinity should mean something to you.

The trinity is not in the Bible. The obvious reason is the authors did not believe in the trinity. All the authors of the Bible, except possibly Luke are monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day. That should tell you something.

To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once! The absence of evidence for is damning to your 1C-violating claim.

Your response? Crickets ... Crickets ... Crickets ...

Great response replying to someone who does not believe in the Trinity. You are on the top of your game today.