Jesus talked about hell more than anything else in the Bible. - Seriously?

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Luke 3:6
and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

That means all will have opportunity to repent.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 

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And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. (1 John 4:14)

Those that believe in everlasting torment, torture or annihilation, are claiming that Christ will fail at what his Father sent him to do.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, as in: (the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world) I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, BUT to save the world. (John 12:47)

When a person claims that people will be tormented or tortured for eternity or just plain annihilated, they deny Christ our SAVIOUR.

This, in turn, makes them liars at the very least.


But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)
 
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JW's TWIST the Hell of nearly every verse in the Bible, even their own NWT! Don't blame me.
So? Thousands of Protestant churches are all twisting every verse in the Bible in an ever widening divide, most all the Christian world must be cursed else there wouldn't be such division. If twisting Bible verses and ignorance is a damnable sin you have many of your own houses to worry about before pointing your condemning finger at them, you'll have more fingers pointed at you. I'm not a fan of JWs, but they have redeemable qualities, I suspect near the end (which they won't predict) they'll not bow to the world government of the beast.

Wider Hope theory.
 

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You declared all of our Bibles to be wrong. Prove it, but not with your opinions. Jesus CLEARLY warned us of Hell Fire for unbelievers!
This also came to me as a surprise. Look up the word tyrant in the dictionary and then see where those words appear in the bible, Then look at how they were translated. I did a study on it.The implications do not speak well of the human condition.
 
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I'll take that as a "Yes."

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This has been bugging me for a while now

A place where the Christians and marginalized conservatives of America can gather and speak freely.

This is what you took offence to. Please show me where people of color are excluded?

Are you trying to stereo type people of color as not being allowed to be conservative or Christian.
 

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That's quite a project you are requesting.
Tell me you are in fact not racist and we can be done.
You have been evading that question.

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That is just a duck out, I tell you I am not raciest and then we are done so you do not have to explain yourself.
 

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That is just a duck out, I tell you I am not raciest and then we are done so you do not have to explain yourself.
Just a duck out? - LOL
How many opportunities have you had to give a straight Yes/No answer to the question of whether or not you are racist?

That answer is obvious. We are done.

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So? Thousands of Protestant churches are all twisting every verse in the Bible in an ever widening divide, most all the Christian world must be cursed else there wouldn't be such division. If twisting Bible verses and ignorance is a damnable sin you have many of your own houses to worry about before pointing your condemning finger at them, you'll have more fingers pointed at you. I'm not a fan of JWs, but they have redeemable qualities, I suspect near the end (which they won't predict) they'll not bow to the world government of the beast.

Wider Hope theory.
I'm not "Protestant". Just a Bible believing Christian. Jesus is God and Hell is EVERLASTING!
 

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I'm not "Protestant". Just a Bible believing Christian. Jesus is God and Hell is EVERLASTING!


Exactly!

Protestants are reformers who follow the false doctrines of either luther or calvin or a mixture of the two.

The reformers failed to simply go back to God's Word and satan helped them not return to God's Word.
 

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I'm not "Protestant". Just a Bible believing Christian. Jesus is God and Hell is EVERLASTING!
Since when are non-denominational Christians considered non-Protestant? Protestantism certainly includes any person like you that hold to the Five Solas of the Reformation, such as, according to the Bible Alone, which is itself a non-Biblical doctrine, originating from the Protestant doctrines. Trying to escape labels when labels serve to quantify your beliefs so they can be examined, it doesn't change the fact your churches are doctrinally divided and contradictory, but all claiming to be Bible-based, only now the doctrines don't just vary from group to group but person to person, with no unifying doctrine, or more than a bit of even non-Biblical baggage of a denomination. Your very existence is proof the reformation of original Christianity from the Bible Alone is not possible, nor does it bring scriptural and doctrinal clarity.

Let me illustrate by picking on the Jehovah's Witnesses. In many ways the Jehovah's Witnesses are actually more Bible-based than non-denominationalists claim to be. It's this very non-biblical notion of the Bible Alone that you think separates you from them, but the Bible Alone is exactly what is leading them to their bizarre conclusions. Their belief that Jesus is Michael, a belief we'd both object to, is a Bible Alone doctrine. The Bible only identifies one person, "Michael" (He who is like God) as an "Archangel" (Chief over angels) (Jude 9), a leader of an angel army against the red dragon (Revelations 12). And the voice of Jesus Christ is described as that of an archangel (1 Thessalonians 4:16) while he is leading an angel army. Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses claim from just the Bible that Jesus must be that archangel, since there is only one archangel. Now, the primary reason I object is by knowing from other sources outside the Bible that archangels are not unique. There are many known chief angels in other Jewish sources, like Enochian literature, that predates Christianity, in which Gabriel is an archangel, too. Just not in the Bible.

Half of these non-denominational Christians are not even baptized in accordance with the Bible, being not ordained yet appointed themselves as the arbiters of Biblical truth and eternal judge of other true believing, baptized Christians for not obeying a non-Biblical doctrine. So elitest and yet oblivious. Because you don't read outside your English Bible, you don't even know what Everlasting (olam) means. I suspect you haven't even read or comprehended my previous posts on the matter, which is why you can only reply using Arguments from Repetition, which in debates, this is a logical fallacy from someone losing the debate.

"hominem unius libri timeo" ('I fear the man of a single book').
 
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Just a duck out? - LOL
How many opportunities have you had to give a straight Yes/No answer to the question of whether or not you are racist?

That answer is obvious. We are done.

Now all can see why I Called you a snow flake
 

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Just a duck out? - LOL
How many opportunities have you had to give a straight Yes/No answer to the question of whether or not you are racist?

That answer is obvious. We are done.

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This is my post #71.
Text was added to my post in the misquote below. The bold statement is not mine.

St. SteVen said:
Just a duck out? - LOL
How many opportunities have you had to give a straight Yes/No answer to the question of whether or not you are racist?

That answer is obvious. We are done.

Now all can see why I Called you a snow flake

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Since when are non-denominational Christians considered non-Protestant? Protestantism certainly includes any person like you that hold to the Five Solas of the Reformation, such as, according to the Bible Alone, which is itself a non-Biblical doctrine, originating from the Protestant doctrines. Trying to escape labels when labels serve to quantify your beliefs so they can be examined, it doesn't change the fact your churches are doctrinally divided and contradictory, but all claiming to be Bible-based, only now the doctrines don't just vary from group to group but person to person, with no unifying doctrine, or more than a bit of even non-Biblical baggage of a denomination. Your very existence is proof the reformation of original Christianity from the Bible Alone is not possible, nor does it bring scriptural and doctrinal clarity.

Let me illustrate by picking on the Jehovah's Witnesses. In many ways the Jehovah's Witnesses are actually more Bible-based than non-denominationalists claim to be. It's this very non-biblical notion of the Bible Alone that you think separates you from them, but the Bible Alone is exactly what is leading them to their bizarre conclusions. Their belief that Jesus is Michael, a belief we'd both object to, is a Bible Alone doctrine. The Bible only identifies one person, "Michael" (He who is like God) as an "Archangel" (Chief over angels) (Jude 9), a leader of an angel army against the red dragon (Revelations 12). And the voice of Jesus Christ is described as that of an archangel (1 Thessalonians 4:16) while he is leading an angel army. Thus, Jehovah's Witnesses claim from just the Bible that Jesus must be that archangel, since there is only one archangel. Now, the primary reason I object is by knowing from other sources outside the Bible that archangels are not unique. There are many known chief angels in other Jewish sources, like Enochian literature, that predates Christianity, in which Gabriel is an archangel, too. Just not in the Bible.

Half of these non-denominational Christians are not even baptized in accordance with the Bible, being not ordained yet appointed themselves as the arbiters of Biblical truth and eternal judge of other true believing, baptized Christians for not obeying a non-Biblical doctrine. So elitest and yet oblivious. Because you don't read outside your English Bible, you don't even know what Everlasting (olam) means. I suspect you haven't even read or comprehended my previous posts on the matter, which is why you can only reply using Arguments from Repetition, which in debates, this is a logical fallacy from someone losing the debate.

"hominem unius libri timeo" ('I fear the man of a single book').
The Governing Body TWISTS the Hell out of the Bible, just like Satan!
 

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Brook Potter “When someone says that Jesus taught about Hell more than anything else in his earthly ministry, it’s obvious that person get’s their theology from Christian Television more so than from study.”

One of the most common logical fallacies used by Christians is the fallacy of Incredulity. It is sometimes called the “Lack of Imagination Fallacy,” because it basically assumes that if a person doesn’t understand, or can’t imagine a certain position, that position is automatically wrong.


Needless to say, that sort of logic is blatantly flawed. To this day, no one truly understands gravity, but it remains a very real factor in our every day lives.


When it comes to the subject of hell, there is great debate on the subject. For most believers, the doctrine of hell is an idol. It remains mostly untouched, unstudied and just accepted, for fear that they may end up there for questioning it.


But for some believers, they actually take Paul’s command of studying the Word to heart. They have actually invested a great deal of time and energy into this subject. In so doing, they have come to varying positions on one of the three major views, Infernalism, Conditionalism, and Universalism.


At this point, a person who may come to a different understanding of the topic of Hell, outside the Eternal Conscious Torment theory, is generally faced two common objections.


Firstly, it is believed that such a person has been deceived by the devil, followed by their abandonment of the truth of Scripture. With nothing more than a surface reading of Scripture, coupled with man-made traditions and teaching from the Church, most believers just cannot believe their Bible might actually teach something other than what they currently believe.


It is greatly dishonest to say that Conditionalist or the Universalist has been deceived or abandoned the truth of Scripture, when most believers in Infernalism wouldn’t even study the subject, far less read other believers’ arguments and Scriptural studies to see how they have arrived at their position.


So with that said, I’m looking at 4 common phrases used in the New Testament that are commonly believed to be related to the afterlife and Hell, to give an example of why our assumptions are not actually found in the Scriptures themselves.


For the purposes of this article, I’ll be skipping over the fact that there are four distinct words translated as Hell, and each has it’s unique uses, Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna. But anyone doing a further study, should look into these words more closely.

Source: 4 Misunderstood Phrases, we assume are about hell -

Brook Potter “When someone says that Jesus taught about Hell more than anything else in his earthly ministry, it’s obvious that person get’s their theology from Christian Television more so than from study.”
Brook Potter obviously knows nothing about the Bible, so why would you begin with a nonsensical quote from a clueless person.

Nobody had ever said that Jesus taught more about hell than anything else, that's a straight out lie. Jesus did speak about hell more than He spoke about heaven, but to say that He spoke about hell more than anything else is a big lie.

That fact that you used a clueless persons quote shows you don't know the truth of thew matter either. So all the following questions are invalid because the topic is based on a false premise to begin with.
 

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The Governing Body TWISTS the Hell out of the Bible, just like Satan!
Individual people are just as liable to personal apostacy as a governing body, if not more so with no one holding that person accountable. One thing the Bible says not to do is to separate from the body of Christ. It's one thing to reject all sects you know as false, it's another to be completely anti-sect, one sect must be the body of Christ. There can only be one that is true, and it can't be a sect of just one person.